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Posted 2007-03-24 05:38:02
 Tony Clifton, on 2007-03-23 22:43:20, said:
mdeland, on 2007-03-23 08:16:11, said: The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Should TRT and the Democrat Party be dissolved? Perhaps, but best wait until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Otherwise, it reeks of a complete farce.
Seems like almost every time TRT supporters are involved or present at some event, so is violence.
Yeah, just like those darn black civil rights protesters in the 1960's.
Posted 2007-03-24 08:18:06
sriracha john, on 2007-03-24 03:46:55, said: Chaturon insists did not violate ban
Thai Rak Thai Party acting leader Chaturon Chaisang Friday he would report to the Election Commission (EC) on Friday (March 30) but insists he did not violate the ban on political gatherings.
"I am pleased to discuss the matter with the election commissioners," he said.
However, the EC as an independent body, should not fall under the influence of the junta, he added.
EC chairman Apichart Sukhagganond said the EC was investigating Chaturon's recent trip to meet his constituents in the Northeast in spite of the junta's ban on political gatherings. He insisted the EC took the action out of duty, not because it is biased against the Thai Rak Thai party
"Chaturon will give his side of the story to help the EC gather factual information before deciding whether to file any charges," Apichart said.
- The Nation
Do you remember the original Batman tv program of the 1960's where the bad guys with the exception of the gang leader (Joker, Penguin etc.) were less than the brightest bulb in the tree.
Posted 2007-03-24 10:12:48
mdeland, on 2007-03-24 05:38:02, said: Tony Clifton, on 2007-03-23 22:43:20, said: mdeland, on 2007-03-23 08:16:11, said: The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Should TRT and the Democrat Party be dissolved? Perhaps, but best wait until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Otherwise, it reeks of a complete farce.
Seems like almost every time TRT supporters are involved or present at some event, so is violence.
Yeah, just like those darn black civil rights protesters in the 1960's.
As far as I know, TRT members and supporters can't be discriminated against because of the colour of their skin, are allowed to sit anywhere on any bus they like, attend any school or university they choose, aren' t getting lynched for hanging out with a white girl, can drink from the any water fountain as anyone else.
How dare you compare black civil rights protesters with crawling and slithery TRT/PTV people.  What a ridiculous statement.
Posted 2007-03-24 10:24:52
I assure you that the 19 million supporters of Mr. Thaksin are not all crawling and slithery and that many who oppose TRT and the Democrats are exactly that. The important thing is this:
The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Should TRT and the Democrat Party be dissolved? Perhaps, but best wait until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Otherwise, it reeks of a complete farce.
Posted 2007-03-24 11:36:59
Tony Clifton, on 2007-03-23 22:43:20, said: mdeland, on 2007-03-23 08:16:11, said: The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Should TRT and the Democrat Party be dissolved? Perhaps, but best wait until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Otherwise, it reeks of a complete farce.
Seems like almost every time TRT supporters are involved or present at some event, so is violence.
People can only be judged by their actions and the PTV/TRT gang certainly have been followed around by violence right since the attacks on th PAD supoporters days and the obnoxious Jatuporns failed attempts to rouse a mob at Ram.
Why dont the TRT have the courage to admit PTV are just afront to get politcal coverage and hold rallies on behalf of the TRT and with siome of its more odious leaders.
Posted 2007-03-24 17:23:41
After a military coup political courage is often, understandably, in short supply.
Posted 2007-03-24 18:01:28
mdeland, on 2007-03-24 10:24:52, said: I assure you that the 19 million supporters of Mr. Thaksin are not all crawling and slithery and that many who oppose TRT and the Democrats are exactly that. The important thing is this:
The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Should TRT and the Democrat Party be dissolved? Perhaps, but best wait until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Otherwise, it reeks of a complete farce.
From 7 posts before the above one in this "TRT Targeted For Dissolution" thread:
mdeland, on 2007-03-23 08:16:11, said: The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Should TRT and the Democrat Party be dissolved? Perhaps, but best wait until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Otherwise, it reeks of a complete farce.
From "Thaksin's Wife Guilty Of Tax Evasion" thread:
mdeland, on 2007-03-23 08:05:44, said: The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Let's hope any action against any of the junta's political adversaries is delayed until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Anything less than that is a farce.
From "Media Requested To Focus On Constructive News" thread:
mdeland, on 2007-03-23 07:51:18, said: The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was." 
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Posted 2007-03-24 18:52:14
Ever seen Groundhog Day?
Posted 2007-03-24 19:11:03
mdeland, on 2007-03-24 17:23:41, said: After a military coup political courage is often, understandably, in short supply.
This may interest you mdeland but i think a cynical reply might be forthcoming.
Taken from the Nation...Breaking news.
March 24, 2007 : Last updated 06:17 pm (Thai local time)
Quote:-
No push for amnesty, claims Sonthi
The Council for National Security (CNS) Friday dismissed speculation that it was behind an attempt to grant amnesty to coup leaders.
"I think the idea of an amnesty reflects the good intentions of charter writers and I thank you, although we believe that we did the right thing," CNS chairman General Sonthi Boonyaratglin said in reference to the September coup.
Sonthi said he did not push for the amnesty, adding he was not qualified to offer a legal opinion whether the new constitution should grant him and the CNS immunity from future litigations.
The Nation
Unquote.
It was also featured on the Thai news channels by the way.
marshbags
Edited by marshbags, 2007-03-24 19:13:53.
Posted 2007-03-24 21:24:16
Sorry if I've been a bit repetitive but it does give a balance to the predominate right-wing pro-junta party line of the majority of TV posts. I do understand the fear factor in opposing the coup mongers; these are scary times.
Posted 2007-03-24 22:22:30
mdeland, on 2007-03-24 21:24:16, said: Sorry if I've been a bit repetitive but it does give a balance to the predominate right-wing pro-junta party line of the majority of TV posts. I do understand the fear factor in opposing the coup mongers; these are scary times.
Lets put it in a bit of perspective. When Mr. Thaksin was offing his own citizens with impunity to a level that even Pinochet and the Argentine Generals could not match then that would have been justifiabkly described as a time of fear. To date the current regime havent come anywhere near that so to crank up the fear factor is to just play a TRT game.
Personally I have a lot of timefor those who opposed both the murderous previous regime and the current one. Those that do have principles, and deserve respect. To praise the TRT motley crew known as PTV for opposing the Junta though is going a bit far. A bunch of well connected and well heeled members of the Thai politcal elite getting up under a banner of convenience to attack those that removed them from power doesnt have any credibility. Of course they have their own very large vested interests to protect and we should expect them to continue, but as for principled fighters for democracy - no way, they showed that when they had their time in power sadly.
As a final comment it is hard to describe right and left in Thai politics and retain any meaning. It is more like right and right and right with no left at all.
Posted 2007-03-25 01:34:41
hammered, on 2007-03-24 22:22:30, said: mdeland, on 2007-03-24 21:24:16, said: Sorry if I've been a bit repetitive but it does give a balance to the predominate right-wing pro-junta party line of the majority of TV posts. I do understand the fear factor in opposing the coup mongers; these are scary times.
Lets put it in a bit of perspective. When Mr. Thaksin was offing his own citizens with impunity to a level that even Pinochet and the Argentine Generals could not match then that would have been justifiabkly described as a time of fear. To date the current regime havent come anywhere near that so to crank up the fear factor is to just play a TRT game.
Personally I have a lot of timefor those who opposed both the murderous previous regime and the current one. Those that do have principles, and deserve respect. To praise the TRT motley crew known as PTV for opposing the Junta though is going a bit far. A bunch of well connected and well heeled members of the Thai politcal elite getting up under a banner of convenience to attack those that removed them from power doesnt have any credibility. Of course they have their own very large vested interests to protect and we should expect them to continue, but as for principled fighters for democracy - no way, they showed that when they had their time in power sadly.
As a final comment it is hard to describe right and left in Thai politics and retain any meaning. It is more like right and right and right with no left at all.
Sounds like we're pretty much on the same page. The problem is that many folks were so obsessed with their resentment for Thaksin that they slipped into supporting hideous principles. I'm as glad as anyone that Thaksin is happy in far off lands, but I think an election would have been far better and would have ultimately come. It's a dangerous road to go down to blindly support military takeover of the political and economic system in hopes that it might lead at some future date to a meaningful election. Better in my book to have half-cretin (morally, that is) billionaires bumbling about than their military cousins.
Posted 2007-03-25 16:51:38
From the B.Post Perspective, Sunday March 25, 2007
Quote:-
Nation in trouble, yet Thais fighting Thais
Despite the anti-coup network's claims to neutrality, said a leading daily, it is hard to believe they are not aligned with the same old pro-Thaksin group, trying to stir up divisiveness in the country again
KAMOL HENGKIETISAK
Villagers gather in Songkhla municipality in a show of support for Privy Council president Prem Tinsulanonda after anti-coup groups rallied outside his residence in Bangkok, alleging he masterminded the Sept 19 coup.
While unrest in the three deep South provinces escalates daily and no end is in sight, some Thai Buddhists in the South began to call on authorities to use strong measures to deal with suspects, not heeding the call of Thai Muslims who gathered to put pressure on the police to release suspects they said were innocent, noted a Matichon editorial.
The face-offs between Thai groups are not confined to the South.
In Bangkok, some have begun to voice their opinions openly against the coup leaders.
In the latest event on March 18, 2007 protesters gathered to criticise Privy Council President Gen Prem Tinsulanonda as the one behind last year's coup.
Unquote.
Please go to the following url for the complete article:-
http://www.bangkokpo...2007_pers07.php
Remember what brought about the intervention/ coup in the first place ????
Imagine what sort rule would have been in place had the last administration still been in place ???????
Thailand has had a very lucky escape if you look at all the evidence and perhaps people should stop blaming the present admin. for everything that should be acredited to the last one.
IMHO of course
marshbags 
Edited by marshbags, 2007-03-25 16:55:42.
Posted 2007-03-25 17:32:41
mdeland, on 2007-03-24 21:24:16, said: Sorry if I've been a bit repetitive 
strange 'tactic' 
Edited by Grover, 2007-03-25 17:58:23.
Posted 2007-03-25 17:39:42
[quote name='sriracha john' post='1216212' date='2007-03-24 18:01:28'][quote name='mdeland' post='1215493' date='2007-03-24 10:24:52']I assure you that the 19 million supporters of Mr. Thaksin are not all crawling and slithery and that many who oppose TRT and the Democrats are exactly that. The important thing is this:
The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Should TRT and the Democrat Party be dissolved? Perhaps, but best wait until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Otherwise, it reeks of a complete farce.[/quote]
From 7 posts before the above one in this "TRT Targeted For Dissolution" thread:
[quote name='mdeland' post='1213535' date='2007-03-23 08:16:11']The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Should TRT and the Democrat Party be dissolved? Perhaps, but best wait until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Otherwise, it reeks of a complete farce.[/quote]
From "Thaksin's Wife Guilty Of Tax Evasion" thread:
[quote name='mdeland' date='2007-03-23 08:05:44']The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Let's hope any action against any of the junta's political adversaries is delayed until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Anything less than that is a farce.[/quote]
From "Media Requested To Focus On Constructive News" thread:
[quote name='mdeland' date='2007-03-23 07:51:18']The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."[/quote]
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Posted 2007-03-25 17:56:32
marshbags, on 2007-03-25 16:51:38, said: Thailand has had a very lucky escape if you look at all the evidence and perhaps people should stop blaming the present admin. for everything that should be acredited to the last one.
Remember what the CNS promised when they staged the coup:
To heal conflicts within the mass population which was stirred into factional divisions to the extent of disintegrating national unity and constituting a severe social crisis. Many sectors have attempted to resolve this crisis, but to no avail. Instead, there were signs of further aggravation to the point of physical violence leading to possible bloodshed and loss of life. This situation poses a serious threat to the national administration, economy and public order. It is therefore necessary to establish and apply an interim administrative mechanism that is suitable to the prevailing situation, taking into consideration the rule of law in accordance with Thailand's administrative conventions underthe democratic form of government with the King as Head of State, the revival of a conscientious affection for national unity, the economic system and public order, the development of a ,strong corruption monitoring system and a virtuous ethical structure, the promotion and protection of rights and liberties of the people, compliance with the United Nations Charter, obligations under treaties or international agreements, the promotion of friendly relations with other countries, and subsistence under the principle of sufficient economy. At the same time, expeditious proceedings shall be undertaken to prepare a new draft Constitution with extensive public participation at all stages.
That is what is written in the Interim Constitution, how many of these things would you seriously state have been achieved ?
Edited by slimdog, 2007-03-25 18:08:27.
Posted 2007-03-25 18:09:34
[quote name='Grover' post='1217592' date='2007-03-25 17:39:42'][quote name='sriracha john' post='1216212' date='2007-03-24 18:01:28'][quote name='mdeland' post='1215493' date='2007-03-24 10:24:52']I assure you that the 19 million supporters of Mr. Thaksin are not all crawling and slithery and that many who oppose TRT and the Democrats are exactly that. The important thing is this:
The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Should TRT and the Democrat Party be dissolved? Perhaps, but best wait until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Otherwise, it reeks of a complete farce.[/quote]
From 7 posts before the above one in this "TRT Targeted For Dissolution" thread:
[quote name='mdeland' post='1213535' date='2007-03-23 08:16:11']The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Should TRT and the Democrat Party be dissolved? Perhaps, but best wait until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Otherwise, it reeks of a complete farce.[/quote]
From "Thaksin's Wife Guilty Of Tax Evasion" thread:
[quote name='mdeland' date='2007-03-23 08:05:44']The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Let's hope any action against any of the junta's political adversaries is delayed until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Anything less than that is a farce.[/quote]
From "Media Requested To Focus On Constructive News" thread:
[quote name='mdeland' date='2007-03-23 07:51:18']The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."[/quote]
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Great post, Grover. Informative and compelling. Food for thought. Don't worry I'm not going to do a compilation of Sri's posts, it might shut down the entire bandwidth!
Posted 2007-03-25 18:19:46
mdeland, on 2007-03-25 18:09:34, said: Great post, Grover. Informative and compelling. Food for thought. Don't worry I'm not going to do a compilation of Sri's posts, it might shut down the entire bandwidth!
Just having a bit of a chuckle at you repeating your cut and paste mantra in several threads throughout TV.
carry on.
Posted 2007-03-25 18:25:29
Cheers!
Posted 2007-03-25 18:49:08
slimdog, on 2007-03-25 17:56:32, said: marshbags, on 2007-03-25 16:51:38, said: Thailand has had a very lucky escape if you look at all the evidence and perhaps people should stop blaming the present admin. for everything that should be acredited to the last one.
Remember what the CNS promised when they staged the coup:
To heal conflicts within the mass population which was stirred into factional divisions to the extent of disintegrating national unity and constituting a severe social crisis. Many sectors have attempted to resolve this crisis, but to no avail. Instead, there were signs of further aggravation to the point of physical violence leading to possible bloodshed and loss of life. This situation poses a serious threat to the national administration, economy and public order. It is therefore necessary to establish and apply an interim administrative mechanism that is suitable to the prevailing situation, taking into consideration the rule of law in accordance with Thailand's administrative conventions underthe democratic form of government with the King as Head of State, the revival of a conscientious affection for national unity, the economic system and public order, the development of a ,strong corruption monitoring system and a virtuous ethical structure, the promotion and protection of rights and liberties of the people, compliance with the United Nations Charter, obligations under treaties or international agreements, the promotion of friendly relations with other countries, and subsistence under the principle of sufficient economy. At the same time, expeditious proceedings shall be undertaken to prepare a new draft Constitution with extensive public participation at all stages.
That is what is written in the Interim Constitution, how many of these things would you seriously state have been achieved ?
Perhaps it would be best to judge the progress at the end of the intrim period.
Before and after, as seen by Thailands academics and it,s citizens.
Most of what you highlight is due to interference, stalling and non co-operation along with the last administrations continual back door methods of creating political instability and divisions, both from within and outside Thailand.
It has been a very difficult transition relating to the many changes needed to get away from the last five years of chaos and " corruption " of the highest order, even by Asian standards.
Does anyone honestly believe things would have been better if they had been able to continue to carry on regardless rewritting Thai law and undermining the 1997 constitution.
Even my Moo Ban here in Udonthani are honest and sensible enough to realise the Previous much loved TRT didn,t care about the less priviledged and they have been used as political fodder.
marshbags
Edited by marshbags, 2007-03-25 18:54:47.
Posted 2007-03-25 19:30:10
[quote name='mdeland' post='1217636' date='2007-03-25 18:09:34'][quote name='Grover' post='1217592' date='2007-03-25 17:39:42'][quote name='sriracha john' post='1216212' date='2007-03-24 18:01:28'][quote name='mdeland' post='1215493' date='2007-03-24 10:24:52']I assure you that the 19 million supporters of Mr. Thaksin are not all crawling and slithery and that many who oppose TRT and the Democrats are exactly that. The important thing is this:
The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Should TRT and the Democrat Party be dissolved? Perhaps, but best wait until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Otherwise, it reeks of a complete farce.[/quote]
From 7 posts before the above one in this "TRT Targeted For Dissolution" thread:
[quote name='mdeland' post='1213535' date='2007-03-23 08:16:11']The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Should TRT and the Democrat Party be dissolved? Perhaps, but best wait until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Otherwise, it reeks of a complete farce.[/quote]
From "Thaksin's Wife Guilty Of Tax Evasion" thread:
[quote name='mdeland' date='2007-03-23 08:05:44']The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."
Let's hope any action against any of the junta's political adversaries is delayed until the junta is boxed up and shipped off. Anything less than that is a farce.[/quote]
From "Media Requested To Focus On Constructive News" thread:
[quote name='mdeland' date='2007-03-23 07:51:18']The words of anti-Thaksin free speech activist Supinya say it best - "The junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was."[/quote]
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Your welcomed to look to see if there's been a time whenever I've said the exact same thing 4 times in 3 different threads within 27 hours.... 
or 4 times within 3 years for that matter...
Happy Hunting...
Posted 2007-03-25 21:05:27
ad nauseum: Thaksin bad, right-wing military junta good...
Posted 2007-03-25 21:23:04
mdeland, on 2007-03-25 21:05:27, said: ad nauseum: Thaksin bad, right-wing military junta good...
What actions have the present junta done that are right-wing?
1. Investigated members of the previous government for corruption and forwarded their results for prosecution.
2. Apologised for Thaksin's heavy handed approach to the Southern Muslims and re-established the Southern Committee aimed at integration.
3.Reform of the police force.
None of these would have happened under Thaksin.
Posted 2007-03-25 21:33:03
Siripon, on 2007-03-25 21:23:04, said: mdeland, on 2007-03-25 21:05:27, said: ad nauseum: Thaksin bad, right-wing military junta good...
What actions have the present junta done that are right-wing?
1. Investigated members of the previous government for corruption and forwarded their results for prosecution.
2. Apologised for Thaksin's heavy handed approach to the Southern Muslims and re-established the Southern Committee aimed at integration.
3.Reform of the police force.
None of these would have happened under Thaksin.
Are you sure Thaksin didn't investigate members of the previous government for corruption and forward their results for prosecution? It seems all over the world one government is always prosecuting the one that came before it. And didn't Thaksin apologize for the present junta's heavy handed approach to the Southern Muslims? By george, that reform of the police force hasn't quite hit around these parts. Where exactly are they doing that? Has anyone else noticed a stepped up effort to collect 200 baht from the boys in blue?
Posted 2007-03-25 22:05:35
mdeland, on 2007-03-25 21:33:03, said: Siripon, on 2007-03-25 21:23:04, said: mdeland, on 2007-03-25 21:05:27, said: ad nauseum: Thaksin bad, right-wing military junta good...
What actions have the present junta done that are right-wing?
1. Investigated members of the previous government for corruption and forwarded their results for prosecution.
2. Apologised for Thaksin's heavy handed approach to the Southern Muslims and re-established the Southern Committee aimed at integration.
3.Reform of the police force.
None of these would have happened under Thaksin.
Are you sure Thaksin didn't investigate members of the previous government for corruption and forward their results for prosecution? It seems all over the world one government is always prosecuting the one that came before it. And didn't Thaksin apologize for the present junta's heavy handed approach to the Southern Muslims? By george, that reform of the police force hasn't quite hit around these parts. Where exactly are they doing that? Has anyone else noticed a stepped up effort to collect 200 baht from the boys in blue?
Which members of the previous government, Chuan's, were ever prosecuted for corruption?
When did Thaksin apologise to the south?
And you haven't answered my question, namely what is so right-wing about the present government?
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