[Dove]

Once upon a time, I don't whether it still is but Thailand was one of the top AIDS country in the world. Today it is not even safe for the birds

[Pharcyder]

If ONLY karma was the issue, then we´d have to learn from it.
yeah hea!

[meadish_sweetball]

Ok, radical suggestion. Go to 300 of the most acknowledged breeders of fighting cocks. Ask each to nominate his most promising chook. Get an equal number of healthy hens for them to play hide the chicken sausage with.

Put them all in strict quarantine. Sell the offspring for 100 baht a piece to anyone who's interested. Hunt down and kill ALL OTHER fighting cocks.

The old man in my soi still keeps the same chicken family - only he now keeps them in his yard instead of outside in the street. He's not going to listen to the government asking him to bring in his pets, no matter what reasons they give him.

It would surprise me greatly if this kind of business is not going on exactly ALL OVER the country.

The talk of killing all chickens within a such and such radius of an outbreak sounds good, but is most likely just those monitor lizards doing their spin doctoring. Well, sorry guys, we don't believe you anymore.

[Be There Soon (I Hope)]

meadish_sweetball, on Sat 2004-03-13, 09:32:48, said:

Ok, radical suggestion. Go to 300 of the most acknowledged breeders of fighting cocks. Ask each to nominate his most promising chook. Get an equal number of healthy hens for them to play hide the chicken sausage with.

Put them all in strict quarantine. Sell the offspring for 100 baht a piece to anyone who's interested. Hunt down and kill ALL OTHER fighting cocks.

The old man in my soi still keeps the same chicken family - only he now keeps them in his yard instead of outside in the street. He's not going to listen to the government asking him to bring in his pets, no matter what reasons they give him.

It would surprise me greatly if this kind of business is not going on exactly ALL OVER the country.

The talk of killing all chickens within a such and such radius of an outbreak sounds good, but is most likely just those monitor lizards doing their spin doctoring. Well, sorry guys, we don't believe you anymore.

This is a great point...in fact it get's me thinkin'.....

Now I'm not a 'conspiracy-theory' type, but sweetball has highlighted a critical flaw that makes the 'quarantine' and 'culling' inherently useless in a society that has any significant amount of cockfighting (I assume this is the case in thailand).

Now, there are certain officials who's sole responsibilty is to handle this outbreak... I imagine there have been countless meetings and such that have taken place in reponse to the disease and how to eradicate it. They MUST have stumbled onto this tangent that makes their current techniques useless.

Therefore: all culling and quarantine efforts are knowingly in vain. This drain on resources is a mere show or act to assure the public that efforts are in fact being made.... meanwhile, officials sit back with fingers crossed as the disease takes it's natural course. Does anyone agree? Or does the Culling indeed hasten the demise of the disease?

[BlackJack]

There ARE some winners in all this
the local restaurant off Soi Ngamduplee has jacked the prices of meat 4 times in a month
when questioned about the rise we're told that the pork and beef producers have jacked the price up and so the restaurant must hand it on to survive

What goes round comes around and so (IF) this C virus is brought under control will the price of meat go down again or will it in true thai tradition remain artificially HIGH

Also i was told that GOD is a little "P'd" off with mankind not being able to cure the common cold / animal cold / virus and so he has decided to up the anti -he designed these viri apparently go through a puberty cycle every so many years where they mutate or jump the species barrier - sort of like a carrot and stick for scientists

Believe it or not - these outbreaks will force governments to change current pratices and to spend money on researching for cures - one only has to remember the AIDS epidemic in the USA - it took over 1 year for the USA government to start screening blood ( as the cost was to high ) (20,000 plus infected before action was taken )

Apart from a cure

This natural mutation has been exponentally increased due to the current farm growing techniques - keep them in cages - pump them full of everthing in case they get sick- hormones, antibiotics, etc

If anyone has seen a chicken farm you will know it is a dirty filthy place - just ripe for sickness and mutations.
And you see plenty of this

I asked a chicken farmer once what do you do with the mutant or damaged chickens

He replied - make them into chicken nuggets

believe it or not

[Wolfie]

Thailand is Bird flu free...

His Majesty, King Toxic says so, therefore it MUST be true

[argus1949]

Did I heard the word "BANANA REPUBLIC"?

[kandt]

britmaveric, on Thu 2004-03-11, 21:37:01, said:

But Thaskin said Thailand was Bird Flu Free!!!!

Toxin could never have said that.

[et33.com]

me stay off the chicken drumsticks
me stay off the chicken thighs
me stay off the chicken heads
me stay off the chicken wings
me stay off the chicken backsides
me stay off the chicken eggs

what's so difficult about it
what chicken flu
and pig flu
and mad cow
and goat ulcer
and chemical fish

[george]

Bird flu persists in Thailand, 11 provinces affected

BANGKOK: -- Bird flu is stubbornly hanging on in Thailand, officials said on Sunday, dashing hopes that the country would soon be free of the epidemic that has killed seven Thais and led to the culling of millions of chickens.

Thailand, the world's fourth-largest poultry producer and one of the worst-hit countries, had hoped to declare the epidemic over by next week. But officials now say that may not happen until April.

"We've found that chickens have still died in certain areas," Deputy Agriculture Minister Newin Chidchob told reporters, adding that tens of thousands of birds had been culled in the 11 affected provinces since early March.

"We may not be able to declare the epidemic over next week," Newin said. "We expect all of the areas to become green zones in April if nothing wrong happens".

Thailand, which has culled about 35 million chickens to prevent the spread of the deadly H5N1 avian influenza strain, is eager to revive its shattered poultry industry and resume annual exports worth $1.5 billion.

Newin said exports of cooked chicken could resume next week to Japan, the biggest buyer of Thai poultry.

Previous outbreaks of bird flu in Europe and the United States took six months to bring to heel and the OIE, the world animal health body, has cautioned against excessive optimism in Asia, saying H5N1 probably would be around for months.

At the height of the outbreak in Thailand, authorities declared 400 "red zones" in 42 of its 76 provinces. An area must go 21 days without a new outbreak before it can be downgraded to an uninfected "green zone".

Newin said 27 provinces were declared bird flu free on Saturday, but it would be another 69 days before farmers could start restocking their farms.

Despite the disease appearing to be on the retreat, the U.N.'s Food and Agriculture Organisation has urged affected nations not to restock poultry farms too quickly to prevent the disease from flaring up again.

Bird flu spread across much of Asia over the last few months, killing at least 15 people in Vietnam and seven in Thailand, and forcing authorities to slaughter more than 100 million birds to halt the advance of the epidemic.

Vietnam said last week its outbreaks had been contained and it planned to begin restocking farms.

--Reuters 2004-03-13

[h5kaf]

How can this be? I thought that Toxin had declared Thailand free of drugs, dark forces and latterly bird flu. This is surely nothing to be concerned about. Interestingly I heard somewhere that the French Embassy is refusing to issue Thai Chickens with passports or visas.

[iwan]

Pepe, on Sat 2004-03-13, 06:33:38, said:

Iwan,

If karma is an issue then this would just be the tip of the iceburg, Ya think?

Pepe',

i guess things happen with a real cause. Millions of living beings can't just die for no deeper reason and little impact/effect in the whole connectedness.

[CM451]

I just had some chicken from KFC and I'm sure not scared of the bird flu, but it was the worst over-cooked piece of bird I have ever eaten. I guess I am supposed to be re-assured that if you cook it into rubber it's safe.

Ok I'll wait until next week when the FLU is all gone.

[iwan]

i will lay off anything to do with chickens, rats and cats.

Imagine that you are healthy chicken (for now) but many around you have passed on. So you owner thinks that to safeguard you, he ought to try his best to keep you kicking. i think his plan of action, other than hidding you away, is to find stronger vaccine(s) to inject you with.

Not sure if they analyze the end-products for additional ingredients but i am sure you will find residue aplenty.

[ChiangmaiJim]

How do you define a suspicious chicken carcase

[Rhys]

And what of the Ducks.. and do the Thai MP in special breeding program for BIG Birds... the poor and unappreciated ostrich....O meat has yet to take off ..will the be the time for the CRACKSTAFF of MPs, making ready to cash into the BIRD FLU...

BUT of course... the Deputy Director and the BIG Kahana of the Agriculture, have some, shall we say, difficulties... in locating the the proper orafice to express their official findings...

[Rhys]

Wait a minute now.. the crack staff of MPs in private enterprizes..YEah right.. Just might make a big splash with their pet projects....0 meat.. hmm.. do you think? could it be it is a national program to blitz the market with MP Ostrich meat?
According to the crack Agriculture Kahana and his little poi poi....they have a special program just waiting...Yet, knowing which orafices to insert crack official findings for the gut reactions... seems, shall we say, a bit of a colo-oral-rectal challenge. Maybe a Chicken enema would do it.. Bring back the curse of a thousand dead chickens on their psyches...