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[Tywais]

skippybangkok, on 2006-09-18 23:48:24, said:

how do they ensure the linkage with my name and the finger prints. For example ( playing devils advocate ), you could take the forms, print ur buddy fingers and put ur name on it. Is there any sign off ?

When my position changed at the university to permanent staff they (police came to the uni) did my fingerprints.  The card was signed by the official and his position.  Of course that could be forged, then you will have a criminal record.

[camerata]

skippybangkok, on 2006-09-18 23:48:24, said:

Question:- how do they ensure the linkage with my name and the finger prints. For example ( playing devils advocate ), you could take the forms, print ur buddy fingers and put ur name on it. Is there any sign off ?

Yes. It is a standard fingerprint card. You produce your passport and the officer writes your info on the card. You send the card to the AFP with a copy of your passport. It's not foolproof, but Immigration seems happy with it. You then get the criminal record check report and have it certified by your embassy.

[skippybangkok]

LOL....  ok.....  so they are the signatories.......  

Thanks guys for the help. Will dawdle on down there tomorrow and get my fingers black for the second time.  I guess i can use that AFP form with the prints.

Will try to check with AFP once more before sending all the stuff. I am a real fan of all this paper work stuff ( nope ). I  hope it ends in the expected result.

[skippybangkok]

p.s.  Glad this is now in the  forum, atleast others who follow in our trail can figure out the steps required.

Edited by skippybangkok, 2006-09-19 00:00:04.

[Maizefarmer]

Yes - they are more "easy going" towards PR's when it comes to processing work permitts for us/them - whether thats formal or not I dont know, but after a few years you'll find things tend move forward smoothly and as a matter of default.

They are sick of seeing my face now for the last 20 years - its become a standing joke to tease me every time to get Thai citizenship or get out.

When I became a monk (which I did for 18 months many many years ago), the old guy who handles my renewal everytime was most confused as he had got my work permitt renewal down to a fine art. He was pleased I had taken up the monkhood, but wasn't quite sure what to do. He really didn't want the hassle, so asked me rhetorically (against all good Bhuddist rules), " you're not going to be doing this for long are you??". I assured him not. He processed my WP as if nothing had changed, and the following year I was back in civvie clothes.

I know of 2 guys (and there may be more...) who are PR's on the strength of been long time monks. One left the monkhood about 7 years after getting PR (by which time he had been a monk for nearly 20 years). He retained his PR status and when he went to get a work permitt, was asked what he intended to do. He didn't know, and was quite worried that he would find himself in a corner i.e. not qualified to do anything that would entitle him to a work permitt. He was told that as he was a PR - and that that wouyld not be taken away from him (its a serious doc that - once you have it, you have it for life - unless you really step out of line big time - even if its criminal it would have to be something quite serious for you to have your residancy status revoked  - he could do whatever he wanted, it would be approved.

Ultimately he started an orphanage for street children, but I havent a clue what was written in his blue book.

Moral of story - anything is possible - just tow the line.

Tim

camerata, on 2006-09-18 12:46:26, said:

trajan, on 2006-09-18 00:35:03, said:

sorry camerata, but I dont quite follow you (in the context of work permits for PR holders)... all employers who employ foreigners are required/responsible to be familiar with the work permit laws and the parameters of the prohibited professions etc. (whether each complies or not is a different question

I think that is the whole point. As we can see with traffic regulations, when there is no effective means of enforcement the result is large-scale non-compliance. But I wasn't thinking only of the relatively few prohibited occupations. The Ministry of Labour wants to have an easy method of controlling if and when any foreigner is allowed to compete with a Thai for any job at all, because the need for certain skills changes over the years.

I've heard that it's easier for PR holders to get a new work permit. I don't think this means less paperwork. I think it means they are less likely to turn us down because "a Thai can do the job." This seems to be at the whim of the officer dealing with the application. I've had one work permit rejected for this reason and another two approved only after some negotiation and changing the job title into something concerning use of the English language. I would hope they aren't so finicky with PR holders.

Sunbelt Asia used to have a page implying that some requirements could be waived for PR holders, but I can't find it now.

Edited by Maizefarmer, 2006-09-21 21:43:19.

[camerata]

Maizefarmer, on 2006-09-21 21:42:07, said:

He retained his PR status and when he went to get a work permitt, was asked what he intended to do. He didn't know, and was quite worried that he would find himself in a corner i.e. not qualified to do anything that would entitle him to a work permitt. He was told that as he was a PR ... he could do whatever he wanted, it would be approved.

That's good to know. Presumably he didn't actually get a work permit until he'd found himself a job? How long ago was this?

[Maizefarmer]

Correct - he only got it "stamped & entered" once he had settled back down into civvy life and had his feet on the ground - during which time he lived off and was sponosered by Thai's who had supported him while he was a monk, and who helped him financially get the street kid shelter up and running.

This was in 1996-7, so he got his PR around 1989-90, and had been here since 1976.

Tim

[sabaijai]

Is there any indication whether the current political situation will affect applications for PR this coming December?

[Tywais]

sabaijai, on 2006-09-23 13:49:31, said:

Is there any indication whether the current political situation will affect applications for PR this coming December?

I'm very interested in the answer to that also.

[krismat89]

sabaijai, on 2006-09-23 13:49:31, said:

Is there any indication whether the current political situation will affect applications for PR this coming December?

Would suggest that you contact Immigration directly or maybe via their website.
Pop along to Suan Plu Immigration Bureau to floor 2 room 201. Resident Permit application centre.

[Maizefarmer]

Will current political events affect PR applications??

I would not have thought so, no link has been made by Gen Sonthi & Co. between what is effectively an internal Thai political matter and PR applicant policy.

Could be wrong, but on the face of it I can't see a relationship between the 2 matters.

Tim

[samran]

sabaijai, on 2006-09-23 06:49:31, said:

Is there any indication whether the current political situation will affect applications for PR this coming December?

I'd suspect the bureacracy will churn along an put the reviewed applicants on the Ministers desk at the designated time and he will sign them in due course. The civil service here is quite powerful and used to guiding the ministers, as I am sure they will do again next year.

[bunnjohn]

HI

ALL THIS VISA RULES ARE A BIT CONFUSING I UNDERSTAND MORE
CHANGES COMING ON THE 1st OF OCTOBER.

CAN YOU TELL ME. ME AND MY WIFE BOTH ENGLISH WHAT TO MOVE
TO THAILAND.
MY INLAWS BOTH RETIRED AND ENGLISH MOVED THERE 3 YEARS AGO
SO IS IT SAFE TO SAY WE COULD ALSO MOVE THERE.
MY WIFE IS HOPEING TO TEACH SHE IS 46 AND I 48
AND HOW WOULD WE GO ON ABOUT THE VISA SITUATION
CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ON THIS MATTER

BUNNJOHN

[LoveDaBlues]

I think I've been given some BAD INFO on the PR process.  I have a few simple questions.

(1)  you must live in Thailand a certain length of time before you can apply.  T/F ?

(2)  if you are DENIED you lose the application fee (191K single or 95K married).  T/F ?

Thanks,

LDB  

[LoveDaBlues]

bunnjohn, on 2006-09-27 05:32:03, said:

HI

ALL THIS VISA RULES ARE A BIT CONFUSING I UNDERSTAND MORE
CHANGES COMING ON THE 1st OF OCTOBER.

CAN YOU TELL ME. ME AND MY WIFE BOTH ENGLISH WHAT TO MOVE
TO THAILAND.
MY INLAWS BOTH RETIRED AND ENGLISH MOVED THERE 3 YEARS AGO
SO IS IT SAFE TO SAY WE COULD ALSO MOVE THERE.
MY WIFE IS HOPEING TO TEACH SHE IS 46 AND I 48
AND HOW WOULD WE GO ON ABOUT THE VISA SITUATION
CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ON THIS MATTER

BUNNJOHN

First, take off the 'caps lock'.  Caps mean you are yelling; not a nice thing.  

Second, you need to post under 'thai visa, residency and work permits'.......this particular thread deals with permanent residency and you're not ready to tackle that yet.

[Tywais]

LoveDaBlues, on 2006-09-28 12:06:43, said:

I think I've been given some BAD INFO on the PR process.  I have a few simple questions.

(1)  you must live in Thailand a certain length of time before you can apply.  T/F ?

(2)  if you are DENIED you lose the application fee (191K single or 95K married).  T/F ?

Thanks,

LDB  

Item 1 - must have lived here on 1-year extensions (continuous - though exiting with a reentry permit does not effect this) for 3 years.
Item 2 - The 191k/95k fee is only if you get accepted, you do lose the 7600 baht application fee.

[danone]

Maizefarmer, on 2006-09-24 15:04:19, said:

Will current political events affect PR applications??

I would not have thought so, no link has been made by Gen Sonthi & Co. between what is effectively an internal Thai political matter and PR applicant policy.

Could be wrong, but on the face of it I can't see a relationship between the 2 matters.

Tim

I applied for PR when purachai was about to go. the interior ministry changed hands and changed hands again ... the whole PR process was on hold for over two years.

they did not redefine the rules, but it took time.

maybe the political situation has an influence. surely timewise, as the interior minister has to give his final signature. and who knows when we got a permanent interior minister again?

[LoveDaBlues]

tywais, on 2006-09-28 12:30:10, said:

LoveDaBlues, on 2006-09-28 12:06:43, said:

I think I've been given some BAD INFO on the PR process.  I have a few simple questions.

(1)  you must live in Thailand a certain length of time before you can apply.  T/F ?

(2)  if you are DENIED you lose the application fee (191K single or 95K married).  T/F ?

Thanks,

LDB  

Item 1 - must have lived here on 1-year extensions (continuous - though exiting with a reentry permit does not effect this) for 3 years.
Item 2 - The 191k/95k fee is only if you get accepted, you do lose the 7600 baht application fee.

thx.  

[Soon2BXpat33]

What if I have a criminal record, then I can never become a PR of Thailand?  Will it follow me? Will I become a sub-standard citizen in Thailand like they treat me in the US?  I havn't murdered or raped anyone but I would never get a "certificate of NO criminal record". Does PR approval depend on the crimes and the length of time they were commited?

Part of the reason I want to rid  myself of the US and its Government is because of the lifelong conviction and treatment by the US Government.  Getting a job or pursuing a career, owning or possessing a firearm and overall view by Goverment and society as a whole because of some mistakes and indescretions I made when I was 18/19yo.

Edited by Soon2BXpat33, 2006-09-28 13:53:18.

[Soon2BXpat33]

Aside from teaching, is there any way I can immigrate to Thailand?  For starters, I would like to live in Thailand for 6 months and live in USA for 6 months.  I certainly make enough working in the US to sustain living in Thailand for 6 months then returning back to USA.
Is there any easy way for me to accomplish this?  From what I've read it just seems like all I need to do is overstay and pay at the airport on my way out.

I am 33yo. I don't have a college degree or any specialized trainning. I don't plan on working in Thailand if I do my 6month/6month idea.

This site is LOADED with information and first hand testimony and I have read alot of it. With the new government and visa laws, I just wanted to hear some peoples opinions.

[jdinasia]

Soon2BXpat33, on 2006-09-28 06:40:51, said:

What if I have a criminal record, then I can never become a PR of Thailand?  Will it follow me? Will I become a sub-standard citizen in Thailand like they treat me in the US?  I havn't murdered or raped anyone but I would never get a "certificate of NO criminal record". Does PR approval depend on the crimes and the length of time they were commited?

Part of the reason I want to rid  myself of the US and its Government is because of the lifelong conviction and treatment by the US Government.  Getting a job or pursuing a career, owning or possessing a firearm and overall view by Goverment and society as a whole because of some mistakes and indescretions I made when I was 18/19yo.

Due to felony convictions in the USA you will NOT be able to get a VISA to Thailand at all <to the best of my knowledge>

[sabaijai]

danone, on 2006-09-28 05:33:18, said:

Maizefarmer, on 2006-09-24 15:04:19, said:

Will current political events affect PR applications??

I would not have thought so, no link has been made by Gen Sonthi & Co. between what is effectively an internal Thai political matter and PR applicant policy.

Could be wrong, but on the face of it I can't see a relationship between the 2 matters.

Tim

I applied for PR when purachai was about to go. the interior ministry changed hands and changed hands again ... the whole PR process was on hold for over two years.

they did not redefine the rules, but it took time.

maybe the political situation has an influence. surely timewise, as the interior minister has to give his final signature. and who knows when we got a permanent interior minister again?

Good point, until there's an interior minister there can be no signing off on PR aps. I don't think it would be necessary that the interior minister be 'permanent', as surely an interim minister could sign as well.

[krismat89]

jdinasia, on 2006-09-28 14:27:13, said:

Soon2BXpat33, on 2006-09-28 06:40:51, said:

What if I have a criminal record, then I can never become a PR of Thailand?  Will it follow me? Will I become a sub-standard citizen in Thailand like they treat me in the US?  I havn't murdered or raped anyone but I would never get a "certificate of NO criminal record". Does PR approval depend on the crimes and the length of time they were commited?

Part of the reason I want to rid  myself of the US and its Government is because of the lifelong conviction and treatment by the US Government.  Getting a job or pursuing a career, owning or possessing a firearm and overall view by Goverment and society as a whole because of some mistakes and indescretions I made when I was 18/19yo.

Due to felony convictions in the USA you will NOT be able to get a VISA to Thailand at all <to the best of my knowledge>

have a conviction, forget it! A friend tried and shown the door (UK friend).

[krismat89]

LoveDaBlues, on 2006-09-28 12:06:43, said:

I think I've been given some BAD INFO on the PR process.  I have a few simple questions.

(1)  you must live in Thailand a certain length of time before you can apply.  T/F ?

(2)  if you are DENIED you lose the application fee (191K single or 95K married).  T/F ?

Thanks,

LDB  

Yes, you must live in Thailand have a continuous Non B Immigrant visa for at least 3 years, BUT please remember that some have held these visa for 10 or more years so the competition is very high.

If you are denied the applicaiton, you loose the application fee of 7,000 baht (or thereabouts) for the paperwork. The 191,000 is for the book itself.  Check with your lawyer is better l think.

[camerata]

Soon2BXpat33, on 2006-09-28 13:40:51, said:

What if I have a criminal record, then I can never become a PR of Thailand?

Unless the criminal record expires, it's unlikely you'll be able to apply for PR. In some countries, minor offences older than 10 years aren't shown on a criminal record certificate.