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Camerata's Guide To The Permanent Residence Process


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#676 Siamfan

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Posted 2009-11-06 17:00:36

Well- done the final video interview test today, nice location, everybody friendly and helpful, abou 10 guys there, arrived 8.00 h, was the first one to enter, 6 very official people behing desc and videocam... Just informal questions, where I come from, kods, work, hobbys, no knowledge questions at all, no Anthem... Just a nice round of smalltalk, to check my ability to undestand and answer. 10 minutes, and out again with a friendly smile. Lets see whats next, keep u guys posted!

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Posted 2009-11-07 15:20:18

To get the criminal record check do you have to go back to your home country to get that or can it be done from Thailand?

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Posted 2009-11-07 15:52:35

View Postskybluestu, on 2009-11-07 15:20:18, said:

To get the criminal record check do you have to go back to your home country to get that or can it be done from Thailand?

Would depend on the rules of your country. Some allow to apply for it by post.

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Posted 2009-11-07 15:53:36

View PostMario2008, on 2009-11-07 15:52:35, said:

View Postskybluestu, on 2009-11-07 15:20:18, said:

To get the criminal record check do you have to go back to your home country to get that or can it be done from Thailand?

Would depend on the rules of your country. Some allow to apply for it by post.

United Kingdom

#680 stbkk

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Posted 2009-11-08 08:22:10

Can be done via Internet.

I'm from Plymouth and here is the link that I used, to Devon and Cornwall police. I did need to send a cheque a cheque by post to pay for it, though, I think.

http://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/YourRi...es/default.aspx

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Posted 2009-11-08 13:30:32

View Poststbkk, on 2009-11-08 08:22:10, said:

Can be done via Internet.

I'm from Plymouth and here is the link that I used, to Devon and Cornwall police. I did need to send a cheque a cheque by post to pay for it, though, I think.

http://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/YourRi...es/default.aspx

Thanks, will check with my local plods.

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Posted 2009-11-08 22:42:15

Regarding the criminal record check, does this need to be done by yourself before applying or does immigration take your fingerprints after applying?
Also can someone please tell me if you need to apply in Bangkok for PR or in the province where you live?

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Posted 2009-11-09 06:46:35

View PostTime Traveller, on 2009-11-08 22:42:15, said:

Regarding the criminal record check, does this need to be done by yourself before applying or does immigration take your fingerprints after applying?
Also can someone please tell me if you need to apply in Bangkok for PR or in the province where you live?


I downloaded the standard form that the FBI makes available for putting fingerprint on. I then went to any police station and had them do my fingerprints. It was free. No need to do it at immigration.
If your case is clean-cut and there are no special circumstances, and you clearly exceed the minimum requirements then doing it in the provinces is OK. Otherwise do it in Bangkok as they will work with you to overcome any obstacles.

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Posted 2009-11-12 09:58:03

Ok everybody, a non-update.

I went to Chaengwattana yesterday to get my latest 6 month extension.

Found my way around the new place fairly easily, and to section D where these are processed.

Spoke to one of the old regulars from Suan Plu, and when I posed the usual 'when?' question (she must be as sick of hearing it as we are of asking it), she looked at me and simply said with resignation, 'I don't know'.

There you go.

One other comment. There was only this one lady handling all the extensions and applications etc. when I was there (approx 10:30). No idea is this is usual at the new office. But in true 'Thai style' I was allowed (instructed) to interrupt the poor chap who was in the middle of making his application. If he reads this, sorry about that!

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Posted 2009-11-12 22:05:16

When can applications be made this year? When did/does it open and when will it close?

#686 stbkk

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Posted 2009-11-13 09:40:09

The end of December is usually the deadline, not sure of the exact date.

You can start pretty much anytime now. When I applied in 2006, I first went in around the end of August to ask a couple of questions, and they encouraged me to bring in the documents as soon as I thought I had them ready.

I'd get your application in as soon as possible. You will almost certainly have to make several visits to get all of the paperwork in order, but when I applied there was no pressure to get all of it 100% correct by the end of December. As long as you have your application in and the stamp in your passport, they seem to be quite happy for you to be 'filling in the gaps' after then.

As I mentioned above, when I was getting my latest extension earlier in the week there was somebody in there working on his application.

Good luck.

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Posted 2009-11-13 09:58:45

View Postaussiebebe, on 2009-11-12 22:05:16, said:

When can applications be made this year? When did/does it open and when will it close?

Immigration will make an announcement when you can apply. Normaly that is done in December and you will have two weeks to submit your application.

#688 MikeyIdea

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Posted 2009-11-13 14:09:40

I asked and the lady there said closing 29 December for sure, she was not sure when it opens, could be 15 Dec could be 20 Dec...

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Posted 2009-11-13 16:02:35

My neighbour told me that our landlord refuses to issue her a tabien baan, so I think I will face the same problem if I get the PR. I am in the 2006 application group.

I am sure I'm not the first person facing this problem. What to do?

#690 camerata

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Posted 2009-11-13 22:26:05

I guess there are only two choices. One is to get yourself put on a friend's tabien baan and the other is to buy a condo.

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Posted 2009-11-14 13:49:26

View Postcamerata, on 2009-11-13 22:26:05, said:

I guess there are only two choices. One is to get yourself put on a friend's tabien baan and the other is to buy a condo.

Thanks. So there is no problem using a friend's TB?

Can I or he face any difficulties?

#692 camerata

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Posted 2009-11-17 09:28:34

View Postfaranginbkk, on 2009-11-14 13:49:26, said:

View Postcamerata, on 2009-11-13 22:26:05, said:

I guess there are only two choices. One is to get yourself put on a friend's tabien baan and the other is to buy a condo.

Thanks. So there is no problem using a friend's TB?

Can I or he face any difficulties?
In general it's not a problem because Thais do it all the time - being on the family tabien baan upcountry but living in rented accommodation in Bangkok, for example. As far as I recall, Immigration didn't ask me about it, but when I registered at the district office the boss asked if I really lived there. If you say "no" I'm not sure what happens. If you lie, it may mean your two Thai witnesses would have to lie too. I'd say better ask Immigration right at the beginning of the process. If it's a friend's tabien baan, make sure that friend is one of your witnesses at the district office and tell them once you have PR you intend to buy a condo (since you won't need to import the funds from overseas).

From the friend's point of view, if you ever commit a crime and the police are looking for you, your tabien baan address is the first place they will come. So it's not a small favour.

In the long run you really need your own place (or a wife's place). If I had to move now (where I've been for a decade and have a friendly landlady) I'd be in the same position.

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Posted 2009-11-18 20:27:06

Please read my post

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Camerata-s-G...t&p=1007519

Caution

No 3

Yours truly,

Kan Win :)

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Posted 2009-11-18 22:01:19

I think Caution No. 4 is another reason a non-relative won't be keen to put a stranger on their tabien baan.

#695 sunsamourai

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Posted 2009-11-19 19:06:05

Hi all,

Just re-reading the guide, and noticed the address indicated is that of the old place. Would it be possible for a moderator to edit the original message with the new address pls ?


Tnx

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Preparation and documents

First, go to Immigration (Room 301 at the Suan Phlu Office in Bangkok*), tell them which category you are applying in (Investment, Work/Business, Humanitarian, Expert) and request the appropriate documents. They'll give you a sheet "Detailed Information Needed for Residence Permit Applications," TM.9 Application for Permanent Residence, a Personal Information sheet, a sheet titled "Documents required when applying for a residence permit in the category of [whatever you requested]," a sample medical certificate and a sample form for submitting Thai-language maps of your home and workplace.


#696 camerata

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Posted 2009-11-20 11:00:51

The new address is already there in the Updates section, but I'll make it a bit more obvious.

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Posted 2009-11-21 18:00:32

View Postfaranginbkk, on 2009-11-14 13:49:26, said:

View Postcamerata, on 2009-11-13 22:26:05, said:

I guess there are only two choices. One is to get yourself put on a friend's tabien baan and the other is to buy a condo.

Thanks. So there is no problem using a friend's TB?

Can I or he face any difficulties?
I had the same problem - landlord flatly refused to have me on the tabien baan for the apartment I rented from her. I'm guessing she wasn't declaring all (any?) of the income from her rental activities and the last thing she wanted was unnecessary interaction with government offices. A work colleague agreed to put me on his tabien baan, which was a pretty nice gesture considering he had to come to the amphur office with me and be "less than honest" when asked by the official there if I really lived at that address with my wife and two kids! Six months after receiving my PR, I closed on my own condo and we were transferred across to the new tabien baan.

In practice, a significant percentage of the population of Thailand is not living at their registered address (everyone living in rented accommodation, for example), so I would have thought there is little downside to "jao baan" (head of household) who permits you to use their tabien baan. The only potentially awkward part is the registration process at the amphur.

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Posted 2009-11-23 12:07:55

Hi,

I'm applying this year and am working on getting my documents ready for this December. I have read that PR permits haven't been issued since 2006, but that work permits are supposedly easier to get with PR status (my friend who has PR status attests to this as well).

My question is, if you are waiting for approval, is it still easier to attain a work permit? In other words, is the immigration stamp that says you are a candidate (and are still waiting) still allow you to get a work permit easier?

Also, what happens if you are eventually denied? How would that affect the work permit you got during the waiting period?

I've searched these forums, but couldn't find anything. Any insight would be appreciated.

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Posted 2009-11-23 14:06:25

View Postsatopower, on 2009-11-23 12:07:55, said:

I'm applying this year and am working on getting my documents ready for this December. I have read that PR permits haven't been issued since 2006, but that work permits are supposedly easier to get with PR status (my friend who has PR status attests to this as well).
Frankly, I've never seen any hard evidence or specific examples of this. My HR department agreed it was true but couldn't give me any details about how it would be easier. My guess is it might help you in a case where you would otherwise be turned down because "a Thai can do the job."

If anyone has any personal experience of PR facilitating a work permit, please post it here.

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My question is, if you are waiting for approval, is it still easier to attain a work permit? In other words, is the immigration stamp that says you are a candidate (and are still waiting) still allow you to get a work permit easier?
My guess is it would not.

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Also, what happens if you are eventually denied? How would that affect the work permit you got during the waiting period?
Probably not at all. I doubt you'll get any definite answer to this, and it would depend on the exact circumstances of your WP application. I don't think the Dept of Labour would consider "under consideration" as being the same as having PR. Good luck with it, anyway. At the rate the authorities are moving these days, applicants will be dying of old age before getting their PR.

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Posted 2009-11-23 14:47:51

seems like a lot of work, and a good bit of money...
my question is, giving it some fresh thought, is it really worth it?

if i am married and have money in the bank (currently properly employed) won't it nbe easier and cheaper enough to just live on non-imm O visas?

with permanent res you still need to go in every year and get travel visas etc...



 


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