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[stbkk]

I applied in 2006, and as well as the above list also had to have a DNA test to prove that my son was actually my son.

[WormFarmer]

stbkk, on 2010-02-18 09:27:00, said:

I applied in 2006, and as well as the above list also had to have a DNA test to prove that my son was actually my son.

Same application year so I wonder why I didn't have to do a DNA test. My daughter has both Thai and British birth certificates, both of which show me as the father and there was never any question raised as to her paternity.

[stbkk]

WormFarmer, on 2010-02-18 14:11:58, said:

stbkk, on 2010-02-18 09:27:00, said:

I applied in 2006, and as well as the above list also had to have a DNA test to prove that my son was actually my son.

Same application year so I wonder why I didn't have to do a DNA test. My daughter has both Thai and British birth certificates, both of which show me as the father and there was never any question raised as to her paternity.

I applied in 2006, still waiting for it to be granted.

My son also has both Thai and British birth certificates.

As I understand it the 2006 entry were the first for the DNA test. In fact, I was contacted many months after all of the rest of the paperwork was submitted and approved, and told to do the test within 7 days, or else!

All a little strange considering that you only have to be married to get the discount, not have children. Maybe I get extra points for being the father of a Thai citizen.

Fat lot of use its done me so far, 3 years and 2 months later (not that I'm counting).

[WormFarmer]

OOPS yes - my application year was 2004, the PR was granted in 2006. I hope you get yours soon.

Edited by WormFarmer, 2010-02-18 17:08:53.

[camerata]

stbkk, on 2010-02-18 14:21:09, said:

As I understand it the 2006 entry were the first for the DNA test. In fact, I was contacted many months after all of the rest of the paperwork was submitted and approved, and told to do the test within 7 days, or else!

All a little strange considering that you only have to be married to get the discount, not have children. Maybe I get extra points for being the father of a Thai citizen.

From what I recall, members starting mentioning the DNA test around 2006. Also, I recall reading somewhere that you got the half-price PR for having a relationship with a Thai citizen - normally a wife, not not necessarily. Perhaps you can get it if you are divorced but caring for your own biological Thai child. That might be a reason to require DNA tests. But it could just be a case of them wanting more paperwork for its own sake. I wonder what happens if it turns out the child isn't yours but you are still willing to support it? Or if the child is known to be your wife's from a former marriage. I don't see why this should affect your PR status or fee as long as you are married to a Thai.

Anyway, thanks for the info, guys.

[Mario2008]

Residence certificate (TM. 16)

* For shared investment or special investment: 191,400.- Baht
* For employment or expert: 191,400.- Baht
* For foreigner married to Thai national: 95,700.- Baht
* For foreign head of family taking care of children of Thai nationality: 95,700.- Baht
* For spouse of foreign resident in the Kingdom: 95,700.- Baht
* For children of foreign resident in the Kingdom or of Thai nationals:
o Underage: 95,700.- Baht
o Adult: 191,400.- Baht
* For non-quota immigrants (original resident): 95,700.- Baht

http://www.immigrati...se.php?page=fee

[MikeyIdea]

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* For foreign head of family taking care of children of Thai nationality: 95,700.- Baht

My case is that I am the legitimate father but will not legally register the marriage to the mother and I specifcally asked immigration what my fee would be. The officer there answered that if you're not legally married, then it's 191,400 regardless of if you have a legal child or not.

[Mario2008]

I doubt there are many people applying under that rule, so he might not have been familiar with the rules regarding this. But it is also a question of how to interpret "foreign head of family". You might need to have sole custody. Indeed they don't use the word parent. You could have a look at the Thai version if that says parent or head of family.

ใบสำคัญถิ่นที่อยู่ (ตม.16)
•กรณีเพื่อการลงทุนรวมทั้งการลงทุนเป็นกรณีพิเศษ ฉบับละ 191,400 บาท
•กรณีเพื่อการทำงานหรือเป็นผู้เชี่ยวชาญ ฉบับละ 191,400 บาท
•กรณีสมรสกับบุคคลซึ่งมีสัญชาติไทย ฉบับละ 95,700 บาท
•กรณีเป็นหัวหน้าครอบครัวเพื่อให้การอุปการะบุตรผู้มีสัญชาติไทย ฉบับละ 95,700 บาท
•กรณีเป็นคู่สมรสของผู้มีถิ่นที่อยู่ในราชอาณาจักรแล้ว ฉบับละ 95,700 บาท
•กรณีเป็นบุตรของผู้มีถิ่นที่อยู่ในราชอาณาจักรแล้วหรือเป็นบุตรของบุคคลผู้มีสัญชาติไทย
◦ยังไม่บรรลุนิติภาวะ ฉบับละ 95,700 บาท
◦บรรลุนิติภาวะแล้ว ฉบับละ 191,400 บาท
•กรณีขอมีถิ่นที่อยู่ในราชอาณาจักรตามเดิม(นอกโควต้า) ฉบับละ 95,700.- บาท

[MikeyIdea]

Thai version says head of family too not parent. The interpretation I think should be: Not legally married = not head of family and it's the higher price. The officer I asked was one of the older ones and I got the impression that she knew

[sunny747]

My boss wants me to work for her company permanently. But she is tired of renewing my visa and work permit every year. It's not really a large company but she is a millionaire. she is looking for a easy process and thought it would be better if i have a PR.......but i left under graduate without finishing and i don't have condo or house of my own in thailand.
i'm 31 and i have been living in thailand for last 12 years. Working for this company for last 3 years. i have WP and business visa.

can i apply for PR?
thanks for any inputs.

Edited by sunny747, 2010-02-25 14:42:20.

[stbkk]

There were no educational restrictions (I don't have a degree) or rules about owning a condo etc. when I applied in 2006, and as far as I know none have been added since.
Also, as long as you have had the WP and paid taxes, and have been in the country for the last 3 years you should also meet those qualifications.

Thats the good news.

The bad news is you will still need a work permit even after you get PR, which in itself will probably be 2012 at the earliest. You cannot apply until December 2010, and it usually takes around 18 months to get, apparently.

The worst news is that all of the applications since December 2006 are stuck somewhere awaiting approval/rejection, and show no signs of appearing any month/year soon.

Good luck if you decide to go ahead, anyway.

[YanTree]

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Also, as long as you have had the WP and paid taxes, and have been in the country for the last 3 years you should also meet those qualifications.

Do those three years have to be working with a work permit and paying taxes? Or can you have been a student?

Say I got a Masters Degree at a prestigious Thai University (2 years) then either started a company and got a WP for myself or got a job with a WP for one year - would that count as three years? Or would the time at University (on an ED Visa) not count?

Also, do they do criminal background checks or require police certification from your embassy or home country?

Thanks!

Edited by YanTree, 2010-03-07 18:09:48.

[tombkk]

YanTree, on 2010-03-07 18:09:05, said:

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Also, as long as you have had the WP and paid taxes, and have been in the country for the last 3 years you should also meet those qualifications.

Do those three years have to be working with a work permit and paying taxes? Or can you have been a student?

Say I got a Masters Degree at a prestigious Thai University (2 years) then either started a company and got a WP for myself or got a job with a WP for one year - would that count as three years? Or would the time at University (on an ED Visa) not count?

Also, do they do criminal background checks or require police certification from your embassy or home country?

Thanks!

You have to be on the same work permit for three years. Unfortunately, being here in non-Imm for three years (as a student) does not count, that time is simply ignored. Like you, I also studied for my Masters' here before working, so this is first-hand information.

Yes, they do require a clean police record from your home country, and you have to have it translated duly into Thai language. the translation must be certified by your embassy, and they can ask you to have the translation verified by the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which was required in my case.

[Mario2008]

Are you sure about the same ork permit? I believe they require the last two years with the same employer.

[tombkk]

sunny747, on 2010-02-25 14:37:03, said:

My boss wants me to work for her company permanently. But she is tired of renewing my visa and work permit every year. It's not really a large company but she is a millionaire. she is looking for a easy process and thought it would be better if i have a PR.......but i left under graduate without finishing and i don't have condo or house of my own in thailand.
i'm 31 and i have been living in thailand for last 12 years. Working for this company for last 3 years. i have WP and business visa.

can i apply for PR?
thanks for any inputs.

Sounds like you can apply, working for the same company for 3 years. Expect the process to take any time between 18 months and 18 years. Just kidding! I don't know anybody who has been waiting for more than 5 years after applying.

[tombkk]

Mario2008, on 2010-03-07 21:54:51, said:

Are you sure about the same ork permit? I believe they require the last two years with the same employer.

No orks involved, but I am sure that the work permit has to be at least three years old before you can apply for a business-based PR. In fact, they told me to come back "next week" because that was when my work permit was three years old.

[MikeyIdea]

I asked in November last year and was told that work permit must be with the same employer for at least 1 year. I wouldn't mind if it is a somewhat flexible rule that gets increased to 2 years for long-haired flip-flop wearers

The 3 consecutive 1 year visas and work permit rule are an absolute necessity I was told. Work permit must not be in a manager position (any legal position is OK) and there is no rule for education (don't even have to finish primary school actually), BUT… you have to get 50 points and there is no way you get that without having a work permit and a pretty OK salary for 3 years.

A northern European person applying in 2009 got 20 points for paying 280,000 bath tax in 2008, another 10 points for 145,000 bath per month salary (50 tawi/12). As we can see, the lion share of the points is for economic contribution.

Edited by MikeyIdea, 2010-03-08 10:11:06.

[YanTree]

tombkk, on 2010-03-07 21:52:28, said:

YanTree, on 2010-03-07 18:09:05, said:

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Also, as long as you have had the WP and paid taxes, and have been in the country for the last 3 years you should also meet those qualifications.

Do those three years have to be working with a work permit and paying taxes? Or can you have been a student?

Say I got a Masters Degree at a prestigious Thai University (2 years) then either started a company and got a WP for myself or got a job with a WP for one year - would that count as three years? Or would the time at University (on an ED Visa) not count?

Also, do they do criminal background checks or require police certification from your embassy or home country?

Thanks!

You have to be on the same work permit for three years. Unfortunately, being here in non-Imm for three years (as a student) does not count, that time is simply ignored. Like you, I also studied for my Masters' here before working, so this is first-hand information.

Yes, they do require a clean police record from your home country, and you have to have it translated duly into Thai language. the translation must be certified by your embassy, and they can ask you to have the translation verified by the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which was required in my case.

Thank you for this. Unfortunately though it appears this country will never be blessed with me as a permanent resident or citizen!!

[tombkk]

YanTree, on 2010-03-08 19:47:32, said:

Thank you for this. Unfortunately though it appears this country will never be blessed with me as a permanent resident or citizen!!

I've been waiting for my PR for so long, I'll be eligible for a retirement visa soon! Same difference: Need to report to the authorities every year.

Having said that, Malaysia offers the "Second Home" program, and it is much easier to get a PR over there. Takes about six months, a friend recently reported.

[YanTree]

tombkk, on 2010-03-08 21:44:54, said:

Malaysia offers the "Second Home" program, and it is much easier to get a PR over there. Takes about six months, a friend recently reported.

Ya, but then you will be living in Malaysia...

[tombkk]

YanTree, on 2010-03-09 04:26:19, said:

tombkk, on 2010-03-08 21:44:54, said:

Malaysia offers the "Second Home" program, and it is much easier to get a PR over there. Takes about six months, a friend recently reported.

Ya, but then you will be living in Malaysia...

True, but this was meant as a veiled hint that I would appreciate it if Thailand had the same program...

[camerata]

MikeyIdea, on 2010-03-08 10:06:02, said:

Work permit must not be in a manager position (any legal position is OK)

What do you mean, exactly? Many applicants, myself included, are in some kind of management position.

[MikeyIdea]

camerata, on 2010-03-09 10:35:06, said:

MikeyIdea, on 2010-03-08 10:06:02, said:

Work permit must not be in a manager position (any legal position is OK)

What do you mean, exactly? Many applicants, myself included, are in some kind of management position.

Sorry, I see the confusion I caused. I heard a number of years ago that the work permit had to be in manager position and that a (low) position that had the word "officer" in it didn't qualify to apply for permanent residency. This turned out NOT to be true. I asked at TM and they said that work permit can be in any position, doesn't have to include the word "manager" or anything

[tombkk]

camerata, on 2010-03-09 10:35:06, said:

MikeyIdea, on 2010-03-08 10:06:02, said:

Work permit must not be in a manager position (any legal position is OK)

What do you mean, exactly? Many applicants, myself included, are in some kind of management position.

I believe it's a mistranslation: "don't need to be" is expressed as "must not be" in some languages, including German. I do believe he Mikey means "The work permit does not need to be for a management position".

[ignatious]

Hi,
Sorry if im in the wrong thread but im a bit lost!
My work permit expires mid August but my company sacked me and others to downsize our division recently and told me they will cancel my WP ..... can they do this?
i had a 12 mnth visa along with the WP.
thnx in advance for any help
IG