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Posted 2010-03-20 00:37:40
 ignatious, on 2010-03-19 16:28:22, said:
Hi,
Sorry if im in the wrong thread but im a bit lost!
My work permit expires mid August but my company sacked me and others to downsize our division recently and told me they will cancel my WP ..... can they do this?
i had a 12 mnth visa along with the WP.
thnx in advance for any help
IG
It's definitely the wrong thread - moderator, can you move this?
To answer your question: When you've lost your job, you have to cancel your visa within 1 day. The company will give you a letter, stating that you are no longer employed as of [insert date]. If you don't go on the date stated in the letter, you are in the country illegally and will be fined, I think I paid THB 1,000/day or so for a two-day overstay because I didn't know that you have to go immediately. Immigration can still give you an extention for 7 days, so that you have enough time to pack your bags and leave the country. Or, find a new employer and apply for a new work permit (which was already lined up in my case).
In other words, your employment-based visa has become invalid, because you are not employed any more.
The WP (blue book) is yours to keep as a souvenir.
This was my experience in June 2008, the regulations might have changed in the meantime, but I haven't heard anything new.
Posted 2010-03-20 00:41:59
tombkk, on 2010-03-20 00:37:40, said: To answer your question: When you've lost your job, you have to cancel your visa within 1 day. The company will give you a letter, stating that you are no longer employed as of [insert date]. If you don't go on the date stated in the letter, you are in the country illegally and will be fined, I think I paid THB 1,000/day or so for a two-day overstay because I didn't know that you have to go immediately. Immigration can still give you an extention for 7 days, so that you have enough time to pack your bags and leave the country. Or, find a new employer and apply for a new work permit (which was already lined up in my case).
To add something relevant to this thread: If you have applied for PR which is still pending, you just go to the PR office and they can give you an extention for 6 months. This means you can stay and don't need to leave the country. If you find a job during that time, you can apply for a new work permit.
Posted 2010-03-21 21:07:41
Any news for new PR being issued ? I applied since 2006 and seems a lot of folks are waiting just like me .
Really if they would just get on with it ..... I need to know my future prospects in this country.
Been here for 17 years and if at the end of the day they decide not to issue PR anymore then I am wasting my time in this country.
Posted 2010-03-23 14:27:15
SAMCHAROEN, on 2010-03-21 21:07:41, said: Any news for new PR being issued ? I applied since 2006 and seems a lot of folks are waiting just like me .
Really if they would just get on with it ..... I need to know my future prospects in this country.
Been here for 17 years and if at the end of the day they decide not to issue PR anymore then I am wasting my time in this country.
No news of any description but can't think they are going to stop PR as they have been taking new applications every year since 2006.
Nothing we can do I am afraid except continue the long wait. Maybe they will issue 2006 to 2008 in one go.
Posted 2010-03-27 22:03:01
laceman, on 2010-03-23 14:27:15, said: SAMCHAROEN, on 2010-03-21 21:07:41, said: Any news for new PR being issued ? I applied since 2006 and seems a lot of folks are waiting just like me .
Really if they would just get on with it ..... I need to know my future prospects in this country.
Been here for 17 years and if at the end of the day they decide not to issue PR anymore then I am wasting my time in this country.
No news of any description but can't think they are going to stop PR as they have been taking new applications every year since 2006.
Nothing we can do I am afraid except continue the long wait. Maybe they will issue 2006 to 2008 in one go.
I am thinking of applying for PR in about 20 months or so. I have already 4 extensions of stay with tax receipts to proove this. Yes I am on a Non B visa. I have the Number 1 form and the number 91 forms from years gone by stored away for future use along with salary receipts too. I have a query. If I apply in December 2010 ( The usual period in which the applicants can apply) does this mean I will get an automatic 6 month extension after I pay 7600baht or will I get the extension after they approve my PR? This does not mean I will get the PR. It just means I have met the requirements because I know at the moment they are not approving Prs and I also know 1 hasnt been approved since the coup. Lets hope that the country is stable and the elections in 2011
go down without incident. Also has anyone heard of a teacher at a government school who earns 40k a month being accepted for PR. Incidentally I work for one of the most prestigious goverment schools in Thailand. It i s very famous in Thailand and has produced Prime Ministers before. Please help. I imagine they are generally interested in high earners like people who make about 300000 a month. I am married too to a professional who earns double I do. Legally by the way. Please advise. Do I stand any chance of being accepted? I dont speak Thai, but after I finish my MA in Education I am going to study. I am a fully licensed teacher by the way. That means I have a work permit , a 1 year visa and a teachers license. Please help.
Posted 2010-03-27 22:03:58
gunnersforever, on 2010-03-27 22:03:01, said: laceman, on 2010-03-23 14:27:15, said: SAMCHAROEN, on 2010-03-21 21:07:41, said: Any news for new PR being issued ? I applied since 2006 and seems a lot of folks are waiting just like me .
Really if they would just get on with it ..... I need to know my future prospects in this country.
Been here for 17 years and if at the end of the day they decide not to issue PR anymore then I am wasting my time in this country.
No news of any description but can't think they are going to stop PR as they have been taking new applications every year since 2006.
Nothing we can do I am afraid except continue the long wait. Maybe they will issue 2006 to 2008 in one go.
I am thinking of applying for PR in about 20 months or so. I have already 4 extensions of stay with tax receipts to proove this. Yes I am on a Non B visa. I have the Number 1 form and the number 91 forms from years gone by stored away for future use along with salary receipts too. I have a query. If I apply in December 2010 ( The usual period in which the applicants can apply) does this mean I will get an automatic 6 month extension after I pay 7600baht or will I get the extension after they approve my PR? This does not mean I will get the PR. It just means I have met the requirements because I know at the moment they are not approving Prs and I also know 1 hasnt been approved since the coup. Lets hope that the country is stable and the elections in 2011
go down without incident. Also has anyone heard of a teacher at a government school who earns 40k a month being accepted for PR. Incidentally I work for one of the most prestigious goverment schools in Thailand. It i s very famous in Thailand and has produced Prime Ministers before. Please help. I imagine they are generally interested in high earners like people who make about 300000 a month. I am married too to a professional who earns double I do. Legally by the way. Please advise. Do I stand any chance of being accepted? I dont speak Thai, but after I finish my MA in Education I am going to study. I am a fully licensed teacher by the way. That means I have a work permit , a 1 year visa and a teachers license. Please help.
I know my nationality wont help me, but what can I do. I am British by the way.
Posted 2010-03-28 07:13:40
gunnersforever, on 2010-03-27 22:03:01, said: I am thinking of applying for PR in about 20 months or so. I have already 4 extensions of stay with tax receipts to proove this. Yes I am on a Non B visa. I have the Number 1 form and the number 91 forms from years gone by stored away for future use along with salary receipts too. I have a query. If I apply in December 2010 ( The usual period in which the applicants can apply) does this mean I will get an automatic 6 month extension after I pay 7600baht or will I get the extension after they approve my PR? This does not mean I will get the PR. It just means I have met the requirements because I know at the moment they are not approving Prs and I also know 1 hasnt been approved since the coup. Lets hope that the country is stable and the elections in 2011
go down without incident. Also has anyone heard of a teacher at a government school who earns 40k a month being accepted for PR. Incidentally I work for one of the most prestigious goverment schools in Thailand. It i s very famous in Thailand and has produced Prime Ministers before. Please help. I imagine they are generally interested in high earners like people who make about 300000 a month. I am married too to a professional who earns double I do. Legally by the way. Please advise. Do I stand any chance of being accepted? I dont speak Thai, but after I finish my MA in Education I am going to study. I am a fully licensed teacher by the way. That means I have a work permit , a 1 year visa and a teachers license. Please help.
If you want to apply for a PR on base of work, you are out of luck, as the minimum monthly salary is THB 80,000 (THB 50,000 if it is your own company). I know of university professors who have been rejected. (Dsiclaimer: Inforamtion is form 2006. Something might have changed in the meantime.)
However, since you are legally married to a Thai, you can try the family approach. I don't know much about that, except that you need to be married at least 18 months.
Posted 2010-03-28 22:00:47
Camerata,
It may help to have full list of address and telephone number's of offices for helpful information...
This was great information you have printed in ThaiVisa.......
Mark 
Posted 2010-03-29 15:05:00
gunnersforever, on 2010-03-27 22:03:01, said: Also has anyone heard of a teacher at a government school who earns 40k a month being accepted for PR. Incidentally I work for one of the most prestigious goverment schools in Thailand. It i s very famous in Thailand and has produced Prime Ministers before. Please help. I imagine they are generally interested in high earners like people who make about 300000 a month.
The minimum is more like 80,000 for a European but my lawyer told me it isn't set in stone. There can be exceptions depending on the circumstances and "social contribution" etc. The only way to know for sure is to go and talk to Immigration in October. Brush up on your Thai as much as possible.
Posted 2010-03-29 22:27:25
camerata, on 2010-03-29 15:05:00, said: gunnersforever, on 2010-03-27 22:03:01, said: Also has anyone heard of a teacher at a government school who earns 40k a month being accepted for PR. Incidentally I work for one of the most prestigious goverment schools in Thailand. It i s very famous in Thailand and has produced Prime Ministers before. Please help. I imagine they are generally interested in high earners like people who make about 300000 a month.
The minimum is more like 80,000 for a European but my lawyer told me it isn't set in stone. There can be exceptions depending on the circumstances and "social contribution" etc. The only way to know for sure is to go and talk to Immigration in October. Brush up on your Thai as much as possible.
Nothing is cast in stone in Thailand, but the actual regulations are a good guideline:
http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/doc/r...n_notice_en.pdf
Point 3.2.3 number 3.) is what I was referring to in my post. The exceptions are mentioned in the same document. In fact, I wouldn't trust a lawyer who suggests anything outside of this framework.
Posted 2010-03-30 09:44:20
And go to the immigration website: http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/ba...?page=residence
Here you can find a link to all required documents. Just click on the blue text.
Posted 2010-03-30 11:07:01
Mario2008, on 2010-03-30 09:44:20, said:
Thanks, Mario. I'd recommend everyone check these pages because they are dated December 2009 and a lot has changed since my original post. Just look at all the photos you have to provide, for example.
Posted 2010-03-30 11:15:22
tombkk, on 2010-03-29 22:27:25, said: The exceptions are mentioned in the same document. In fact, I wouldn't trust a lawyer who suggests anything outside of this framework.
At the time I applied, a fellow applicant with the same legal firm had his application accepted even though his income was only 30,000 baht. He'd been in Thailand for decades but I don't have any other details and I don't know if he got PR or not.
The criterion of applicants still seems to be the original document from 2004, and still contains the "extra circumstances" catch-all phrase:
"3.5 Qualification of applicant on extra circumstances to be considered on a case by
case basis
1) An individual who produces benefit to the Kingdom of Thailand or Thai
Government or was selected by a national institute as the one whose performance causes
benefit to this country or perform for the authority"
Posted 2010-03-30 23:31:26
camerata, on 2010-03-30 11:15:22, said: tombkk, on 2010-03-29 22:27:25, said: The exceptions are mentioned in the same document. In fact, I wouldn't trust a lawyer who suggests anything outside of this framework.
At the time I applied, a fellow applicant with the same legal firm had his application accepted even though his income was only 30,000 baht. He'd been in Thailand for decades but I don't have any other details and I don't know if he got PR or not.
The criterion of applicants still seems to be the original document from 2004, and still contains the "extra circumstances" catch-all phrase:
"3.5 Qualification of applicant on extra circumstances to be considered on a case by
case basis
1) An individual who produces benefit to the Kingdom of Thailand or Thai
Government or was selected by a national institute as the one whose performance causes
benefit to this country or perform for the authority"
Nice one. For the average applicant, i.e. the mortals among us, this may not apply.
This does not contradict my earlier post, in which I said that exceptions are mentioned.
Posted 2010-04-07 21:36:12
Does anybody over here know about these approvals for 2006/2007 applicants:
http://www.thaivisa....cy-t353760.html
- or is it just a rumour?
Posted 2010-04-08 13:10:04
tombkk, on 2010-04-07 21:36:12, said:
It isn't a rumour. There have definitely been at least a couple of approvals from 2006. Immigration will confirm that if you ask them directly. It seems that if you have some connection at the Interior ministry you can get your file pulled from the pile.
As for specifically 5 from 2006 and 2 from 2007 I have no idea but it wouldn't surprise me.
Posted 2010-04-23 23:01:09
Hi everyone,
I don't have RP, could anyone help explain some of the things I've read about it?
1) On this thread, one poster wrote that RP expires if you leave Thailand for more than a year? Is this true? I've read the english information on the immigration.go.th website - it just says 'never expires unless revoked' - does a year's absence revoke it?
2) On this thread, and other websites, it mentions that RP entitles the holder to buy a condo without transfering in the funds. Also, Bangkok Bank's website mentions this. Does RP status allow a foreigner to get a mortgage on a condo and buy one as a Thai would? If anyone has any experience of these two things, I'd love to hear - I'm just trying to find out.
Best regards
Posted 2010-04-23 23:11:29
If u can't demonstrate u have paid taxes on income in thailand, you can buy a condo . No need to bring in cash
Posted 2010-04-24 19:02:20
So, even if you apply for and recieve Resident Permit, you can lose it if you spend time out of Thailand? What happens if you leave Thailand and can't return? do they take it away from you or can you apply for extensions like in a Thai embassy or similar?
cheers
Posted 2010-04-24 23:18:09
aussiebebe, on 2010-04-24 19:02:20, said: So, even if you apply for and recieve Resident Permit, you can lose it if you spend time out of Thailand? What happens if you leave Thailand and can't return? do they take it away from you or can you apply for extensions like in a Thai embassy or similar?
cheers
Yes, you lose the PR if you don't reside here any more. You have to report once a year. (It's the same with the Green Card in the US, by the way.) Makes sense: If you do not reside here permanently, why would you consider yourself (or expect the government to consider you a "permanent resident"? I don't understand how you think a Thai embassy overseas can attest that you reside in Thailand and thus extend your PR.
However, this belongs in the thread about PR, not about Thai Citizenship Application.
Posted 2010-04-25 22:04:23
tombkk, on 2010-04-24 23:18:09, said: aussiebebe, on 2010-04-24 19:02:20, said: So, even if you apply for and recieve Resident Permit, you can lose it if you spend time out of Thailand? What happens if you leave Thailand and can't return? do they take it away from you or can you apply for extensions like in a Thai embassy or similar?
cheers
Yes, you lose the PR if you don't reside here any more. You have to report once a year. (It's the same with the Green Card in the US, by the way.) Makes sense: If you do not reside here permanently, why would you consider yourself (or expect the government to consider you a "permanent resident"? I don't understand how you think a Thai embassy overseas can attest that you reside in Thailand and thus extend your PR.
However, this belongs in the thread about PR, not about Thai Citizenship Application.
Hi, thanks for your replies, I was trying to understand the nature of the Resident permit. From reading the immigration website, I noted the requirements and cost, and from reading this forum I noted the length of time required when applying and the fact that you still need a work permit if working and re-entry permits if leaving Thailand.
These 're-entry permit' requirements led me to believe that RP was some form of permanent visa equivilant. For example I could hold a 'permit' to drive a certain vehicle, but not be obliged to drive it. I thought the RP would permit the holder to reside in Thailand in lieu of a visa, but not 'have' to. It's helpful to compare RP with the US Green Card which I wasn't aware of.
Thanks for clarifying, I'm glad I asked.
Posted 2010-04-25 22:19:58
aussiebebe, on 2010-04-25 22:04:23, said: tombkk, on 2010-04-24 23:18:09, said: aussiebebe, on 2010-04-24 19:02:20, said: So, even if you apply for and recieve Resident Permit, you can lose it if you spend time out of Thailand? What happens if you leave Thailand and can't return? do they take it away from you or can you apply for extensions like in a Thai embassy or similar?
cheers
Yes, you lose the PR if you don't reside here any more. You have to report once a year. (It's the same with the Green Card in the US, by the way.) Makes sense: If you do not reside here permanently, why would you consider yourself (or expect the government to consider you a "permanent resident"? I don't understand how you think a Thai embassy overseas can attest that you reside in Thailand and thus extend your PR.
However, this belongs in the thread about PR, not about Thai Citizenship Application.
Hi, thanks for your replies, I was trying to understand the nature of the Resident permit. From reading the immigration website, I noted the requirements and cost, and from reading this forum I noted the length of time required when applying and the fact that you still need a work permit if working and re-entry permits if leaving Thailand.
These 're-entry permit' requirements led me to believe that RP was some form of permanent visa equivilant. For example I could hold a 'permit' to drive a certain vehicle, but not be obliged to drive it. I thought the RP would permit the holder to reside in Thailand in lieu of a visa, but not 'have' to. It's helpful to compare RP with the US Green Card which I wasn't aware of.
Thanks for clarifying, I'm glad I asked.
If you have PR, you don't need a Visa to stay - you need a Visa to leave. I have this issue, i.e. banking asking for my Visa - they dont understand that PR holders don't need "Visa". Since i travel and as such need the re-entry visa, i just show them this "visa" which shuts em up.
If you dont travel abroad, you can stay for ever with no visa ( just the 5 year police dept reporting ).
Edited by skippybangkok, 2010-04-25 22:22:03.
Posted 2010-04-27 23:08:36
aussiebebe, on 2010-04-23 23:01:09, said: Hi everyone,
I don't have RP, could anyone help explain some of the things I've read about it?
1) On this thread, one poster wrote that RP expires if you leave Thailand for more than a year? Is this true? I've read the english information on the immigration.go.th website - it just says 'never expires unless revoked' - does a year's absence revoke it?
2) On this thread, and other websites, it mentions that RP entitles the holder to buy a condo without transfering in the funds. Also, Bangkok Bank's website mentions this. Does RP status allow a foreigner to get a mortgage on a condo and buy one as a Thai would? If anyone has any experience of these two things, I'd love to hear - I'm just trying to find out.
Best regards
You can maintain PR, while effectively living overseas, as long as you come back at least once a year and re-endorse your Certificate of Residence at Immigration for another year before the old endorsement has expired. If you miss this deadline your PR will be cancelled automatically and they don't accept any excuses whatsoever. You need to renew your Alien Book every 5 years at your local cop shop but missing the renewal date on this one results only in a small fine, not cancellation of your PR status.
Buying a condo without evidence of transferring in funds or of earning the money in Thailand works smoothly, if you are a PR, as that is clear in the Bank of Thailand regulations. Mortgages are up to the banks' individual policies and I don't think any of them make an exception to their routine discrimination against foreigners for PRs. That is a pity because many PRs and other expats on non B visas are much better risks than than many of the Thais they gladly give away money to.
Edited by Arkady, 2010-04-27 23:09:44.
Posted 2010-05-06 13:32:42
gunnersforever, on 2010-03-27 22:03:01, said: I am thinking of applying for PR in about 20 months or so. I have already 4 extensions of stay with tax receipts to proove this. Yes I am on a Non B visa. I have the Number 1 form and the number 91 forms from years gone by stored away for future use along with salary receipts too. I have a query. If I apply in December 2010 ( The usual period in which the applicants can apply) does this mean I will get an automatic 6 month extension after I pay 7600baht or will I get the extension after they approve my PR? This does not mean I will get the PR. It just means I have met the requirements because I know at the moment they are not approving Prs and I also know 1 hasnt been approved since the coup. Lets hope that the country is stable and the elections in 2011
go down without incident. Also has anyone heard of a teacher at a government school who earns 40k a month being accepted for PR. Incidentally I work for one of the most prestigious goverment schools in Thailand. It i s very famous in Thailand and has produced Prime Ministers before. Please help. I imagine they are generally interested in high earners like people who make about 300000 a month. I am married too to a professional who earns double I do. Legally by the way. Please advise. Do I stand any chance of being accepted? I dont speak Thai, but after I finish my MA in Education I am going to study. I am a fully licensed teacher by the way. That means I have a work permit , a 1 year visa and a teachers license. Please help.
The best way to find out is to go along to Immigration at Chaeng Wattana and ask the people in the section that handles PR applications, if you could qualify either under the business quota or for supporting (or being supported by) Thai dependants. They are usually willing to give polite visitors callers the benefit of their knowledge. Since you don't speak Thai, you shlould bring your Thai wife with you. Bear in mind that knowledge of the Thai language was made a condition of PR in about 2001, imposed by the Interior Ministry. It started of as a bit of a piss take by Immigration who set multiple choice tests that could be passed with hardly any knowledge of Thai but is now a bit more serious, including a panel interview where you may be asked questions such as, "Please describe your personal contribution to Thai society" - not too difficult but requires an intermediate level of spoken Thai. I have known some applicants who clearly failed the interview because they couldn't reply in Thai or even understand the questions. However, one was rejected for another reason and the other has left Thailand, so I can't say, if they could have got through in spite of poor marks in Thai language. The good news is that you are qualified to apply for Thai nationality, if you have been married to a Thai national for three years and have a salary of at least 40k a month with three years' of tax receipts. However, you would struggle to get the minimum 50 points required without PR and no knowledge of Thai and you are now required to declare your willingness to renounce your existing nationality. See other trheads on this topic, if you are interested.
Posted 2010-05-08 12:38:59
I wonder how many of those who applied for PR in 2006 and 2007 have already given up on the process or have moved abroad during this protracted delay in approvals. With the prospect of parliament being dissolved in November, the chances now of any PR approvals happening before then or for 6 months afterwards would seem highly unlikely. Even more frustrating is that applicants have nowhere to go in order to gain information. The immigration department does not know and gleaning information from the MoI is next to impossible.
Furthermore, many of the applicants from 2006 and 2007 with a Thai spouse would now be eligible to apply for Thai citizenship, however, it is apparent that one would gain more points in the application process if one had PR already. It is also unclear whether the PR application would be made invalid as soon as you applied for citizenship.
As the current PR application process is similar to that of the Thai citizenship application (excluding the actual application form, ability to sing the National and Royal anthem and cost), it is a pity that eligible PR applicants that have already been approved by the immigration committee and waiting for approval from the Minister are not given the choice to just convert the PR to a citizenship application. This would kill 2 birds with 1 stone for many PR applicants waiting for the Minister’s approval, but I know pigs would fly before that happens.
I also wonder whether the 2008 applicants have gone through the immigration committee yet and whether the 2009 applicants have any movement on their applications or has the whole process come to a grinding halt?
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