So, Can anyone tell me.
If I have a passport with visa stamps from the last 12 months but 5 months ago I had a Tourist visa which I extended for one month and then after that two VOA's do I get one more VOA or should I go for another Tourist visa?
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News On The New RegulationVOA's, Retirement, Marriage, Investment and Monk
Started by Sunbelt Asia, 2006-09-12 19:08
#27
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-12 20:30:46
will consulates issue a tourist visa to people with 3 or more 30 day stamps in their pp?
#28
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-12 20:34:09
why so difficult, send you passport by courier to a consulate, let the courier pick it up and pay your 170 euro or 200 dollar for a year tourist visa. Available anywhere in Europe. You cna still be here all year round, and after six months immigrration will understand that they are losing out to Singapore and other airline hubs and they will shelve it again, just like tthey did 4 years ago and 8 years ago. New Chief, new rules, wonder if the agents have to pay double now...
#29
Leave my member out of it! Posted 2006-09-12 20:35:26
That won't work Deminister .... (well it could but it is in fact against the rules!)
#30
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-12 20:37:02
sure, but it is up to them. When you go to Australia, the US, or Europe they will ALWAYS do! you could take the risk and give your passport with someone to get the visa. If you get stopped tell them that the passport is with your lawyer it mostly works.
#31
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-12 20:39:23
will consulates issue a tourist visa to people with 3 or more 30 day stamps in their pp? Now i'm more confused, no problem seem to happen every year about this time. anyways i originally had a marriage visa, but i was advise by immergration in Chiang Mai that i could get a 1 year retirement visa on the same day without waiting, so now i'm still married but enjoy getting a retirement visa each year , is that changing. i'm due on january 2 2007 or will i have to revert back to a marriage visa #32
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-12 20:40:10
will consulates issue a tourist visa to people with 3 or more 30 day stamps in their pp? Theres nothing which says they won't, what the Thai Embassy in Laos is now doing is refusing any more than 3 tourist visas per person however. I would have thought Malaysia/Penang will soon follow suit 
#33
Forum Sponsor Posted 2006-09-12 20:41:14
[quote name='tim77' post='890845' date='2006-09-12 12:59:10']Is it now too late to apply for the 3m investment visa? I realize there are only 15 days left this month.[/quote]
We will check if it’s still possible in the morning. It sounds unlikely as you need to be approved by Oct 1st and you need to get a 30 day under consideration stamp first. However, if they still take the application now... maybe. Will check and let you know. [quote]For Sunbelt........... What is the situation on Permanent Residence? Has that changed?[/quote] No changes [quote]Also does your company deal with PR applications?[/quote] yes [quote]Forgive me for being dim, but presumably many of these "illegal workers" who have been visa running will change to obtaining tourist visas from overseas consulates. How will that force them to get work pertmits and pay tax? They are simply changing from being a VOA long term tourist to a "visa issued overseas" long term tourist. Or have I missed something? Maybe the embassies will tighten the rules for issuing multiple tourist visas?[/quote] Good question Mobi D'Ark. This in our opinion will be the next letter, to the Consulates and Embassies. Don't hand visitor visas out like candy. [quote]I met a chap on the aircraft to BKK in March 1999 who ran a business that involved him taking 12 trips to Thailand a year. He had a wife and a child in Bangkok. As he made 12 trips a year Thai Airways gave him the 13th free. If he is still operating his Thai export operation it looks like he could have problems ? I wonder how many others are in this situation ?[/quote] He will now need to go legit or leave. This is who the government is going after so they pay tax. [quote]A great many of ther business for sale on SBAsia are under 3 million baht. Thats not good for the business owners or SB. How about investment in the Thai stock exchange? People may pull out or not bother.[/quote] The investment visa was never available if you invested in a business or the stock market anyway. [quote]And what about the many many condo projects that are planned and in the process of being built. Alot of these condos must be bought by foreigners. What if you can t live in them?[/quote] Sometimes governments take one step back. This is what is happening because in their opinion, it is needed to clean the streets. [quote]I can only see problems without any avenue for investment. I agree with maybe trying to stop illegal workers doing the visa run and not paying tax. All countries do this, but closing the door on investment?[/quote] Everything runs in cycles. The moon, ocean and even government decisions on being liberal or conservative. [quote]How about as a spouse of a Monk, then as a dependent ?[/quote] Sorry no dependent visa for either a child or spouse if the Monk is a parent or spouse. [quote]Thanks much for this information! I'm wondering how this affects those of us (visa runners) who have signed apartment contracts. Will we be released from our contracts early & security deposits returned....?[/quote] Someone today was crying at Immigration that he has a DVD player, cat, dog and 4 months left on his apartment lease. What should he do? Immigration said “Get a visa or leave” I’m sure no deposits will be released in most cases by the Landlord. www.sunbeltasiagroup.com #34
Star Member Posted 2006-09-12 20:45:46
Sunbelt, in addition to this, "If you have a visa on arrival more than three times in six months, you cannot come into Thailand without a visa from an Embassy/Consulate." Somewhere else, I think you said this six months is effective RETROACTIVELY as of October 1, 2006. In other words, the monthly visa runners who now have 3 to 83 one-month stamps in their passport, must leave the kingdom within the next thirty days, and go to a friendly enough consulate who will give them a real visa of some kind, IF that consulate thinks they deserve the visa, and feel like giving that visa to the queue that's 89 smelly farang long, going out the door.
So, hundreds of teachers who already have a contract until March 2007, must spend October leaving the country, hunting down a friendly consulate or embassy that costs less than 50,000 to visit, right? Teachers whose employers (Thai schools) never could trouble themselves to follow Thai law, right? If this had happened two years ago, I would have simply broken my contract and never taught in Thailand again. #35
Newbie Posted 2006-09-12 20:46:06
Hmmm im sure this has been covered somewhere but theres about 100 pages and some contradicting info so......I have atleast 3 VOA stamps right now, but if i go to malaysia and get a tourist visa BEFORE october then i can get 90 days more no problem?????
#36
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-12 20:47:18
Oh it is great to be 50+ year old male with a retirement visa living correctly in the LOS.
Where as before many on here looked down on us so called oldies and said we losers and only here for the young girls because we couldn't get a lady over seas. How the world changers. Most not all of us, are nothing like that, we respect the laws of this country, times are a changing for you so called young men. Do it the right way and all will be well. If not move on to where the rules are more laxed. I understand there will be some problems for some, but in your heart of hearts, you knew you were bending the rules as you stepped on the buses that took you over the borders. I wish you all luck in getting over your problems 
#37
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-12 20:48:24
Good to see it's clear now. Clearly another measure introduced withouth properly thinking this trough. Two observations: This is the end of Thailand as a travel hub for southeast Asia. Airlines are going to get mental over this, how are they suppose to check is someone is illegible for entry into Thailand. Obviously they cannot rely just on the Passport and the stamps inside, (People could be on a brand new Passport) Somehow I doubt they will get into the thai immigration online system to check. Remember as far as I know, the airlines are responsible if someone is refused entry due to visa regualations. With the current system it is simple for the airlines, and they might only refuse people who do not comply with the onward ticket requirement for visa exemption. So if enough people are going to refused at the airport, with all the hassles associated, before you know it, all airlines are going to require Tourist visas for all passengers, regardless if they are on the 41 country list. This in potention could have a great impact on tourism. Your check in queues to Bangkok will be horrendous. New passport-"Sorry Sir you need a tourist visa at least for us to accept you for passage" #38
Newbie Posted 2006-09-12 20:49:02
oh already covered i see sorry guys this thread is moving too fast for me!!!!
#39
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-12 20:54:29
Have requirements for non-immigrant O changed?
I know many people who dont have 800k in a Thai bank and get a new non-imm O every 3 months.. Is this still possible? Seems to have gone up quickly, from 200k, then 400k, and now 800k #40
Star Member Posted 2006-09-12 20:56:01
why so difficult, send you passport by courier to a consulate, let the courier pick it up and pay your 170 euro or 200 dollar for a year tourist visa. Available anywhere in Europe. Yes, you can, without leaving Thailand, send your passport abroad and arrange somehow to get a new visa stamped in it. There was a report in this forum not too long ago by somebody who did this, and here’s a summary of his experience: -- He left Thailand and entered Cambodia. No problem. -- He returned from Cambodia and entered Thailand. No problem, except that he got only a visa-exempt 30-day entry stamp in his passport, not a period of permitted stay based on that visa. So you see, you are right, it can be done but it serves no purpose. A total waste of money. And, for all you know, a flag in Immigration’s computer database. --------------- Maestro #41
Super Member Posted 2006-09-12 20:57:12
Oh it is great to be 50+ year old male with a retirement visa living correctly in the LOS. Where as before many on here looked down on us so called oldies and said we losers and only here for the young girls because we couldn't get a lady over seas. How the world changers. Most not all of us, are nothing like that, we respect the laws of this country, times are a changing for you so called young men. Do it the right way and all will be well. If not move on to where the rules are more laxed. I understand there will be some problems for some, but in your heart of hearts, you knew you were bending the rules as you stepped on the buses that took you over the borders. I wish you all luck in getting over your problems here here 
#42
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-12 20:58:42
hi guys..
so why do people want multiple tourist visa's anyway? surely 30 or 60 days is enough for a holiday - and thats what these tourist visa's are for. if you are working or staying in thailand why dont you get a work or retirement or dependants visa? i dont think that there is anything wrong here with the new visa requirements - just people trying to get around the law - for whatever reason - probably tax or insurance or just simply black employment .... so what do such people ( multiple tourist visa ) do for a living? how do they get money? one assumes its all illigal? so i guess thats why the thai authorities are trying to tighten up on them? amarka
#43
Member Posted 2006-09-12 21:00:19
For those familiar with the penang run and have got visas there.
Do they ask for proof of finances as stated in the visa info on this site. It says they ask to see proof that you have 20,000Baht when issuing the visa. Is this common? I know with the 30-day visas they very rarely ask to see proof of finances on arrival at thai border, I was once asked in the northern border of Mae Sai, but never have been in Poi pet. T. #44
Right Honourable Member Posted 2006-09-12 21:01:45
When you leave, you cannot enter Thailand for 3.5 months without coming back with a visa. The reason is to force people who are supposed to have work permits to do so and pay tax. #45
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-12 21:08:00
hi guys.. so why do people want multiple tourist visa's anyway? surely 30 or 60 days is enough for a holiday - and thats what these tourist visa's are for. if you are working or staying in thailand why dont you get a work or retirement or dependants visa? i dont think that there is anything wrong here with the new visa requirements - just people trying to get around the law - for whatever reason - probably tax or insurance or just simply black employment .... so what do such people ( multiple tourist visa ) do for a living? how do they get money? one assumes its all illigal? so i guess thats why the thai authorities are trying to tighten up on them? amarka Some people need these visas because they are retired, under 50 and don't trust investing money in the country which seems to make since taking all of this into account. They need a retired visa for the young people. You don't have to be old to retire. #46
Member Posted 2006-09-12 21:09:37
Sunbeltasia,
Can you tell me if anything will change regarding extensions on the non-immigrant B visas? I have been getting one through my local consulate in each of the past three years. Thanks, osten #47
Advanced Member Posted 2006-09-12 21:09:47
I thought someone said that the visa rule only applied at the borders and not at airports: after all, it hardly pays to work here if you have to pay for a flight every 30 days vs. the low cost of driving/being driven to the border
#48
My member is hidden by my kilt Posted 2006-09-12 21:13:06 Quote If the government wants more tax money from foreigners they should make work permits easier to get. Well said! But thats too easy! TIT #49
Forum Sponsor Posted 2006-09-12 21:14:00 Quote "5.Now the news for frequent visitors: We have checked this upwards and backwards all day and it has been confirmed by a copy of the new regulation we have. If you have a visa on arrival more than three times in six months, you cannot come into Thailand without a visa from an Embassy/Consulate. When you enter Thailand, even if you are here just 1 hour, this counts as 30 days. If you come back 6 weeks later for 2 days, this again is 30 days. If you arrive a month later for 4 days, still counts as 30 days. When you leave, you cannot enter Thailand for 3.5 months without coming back with a visa. The reason is to force people who are supposed to have work permits to do so and pay tax." If this is the complete story, then a person from one of the 60 day Tourist visa and 30 day visa on arrival countries could spend five out of every six months in Thailand, or spend most of their time in Thailand and just leave every 60 days and return with an embassy issued Tourist visa. For example: A first time visitor could enter Thailand with a 60 day Tourist visa, at the end of 60 days do three border runs for visas on arrival, then either a.) leave the country every 60 days for another embassy issued 60 Tourist visa, or b.) leave the country for a little over 30 days and return with another 60 day Tourist visa and do another three border runs. The trick here would be to make sure that before each border run you have no more than two visas on arrival in the preceding six months. The trick is as long as you got a tourist visa after the three entries. What happens if the Embassy issuing the visa, won't give it to you? Questions are going to be asked, mark my words. Quote If the new rules are implemented this way it would allow long term stay visitors to stay for up to 150 days then leave just long enough for the Thai government to ensure we are still financially self-supporting. This is not as convenient as the current system but it is reasonable. Now the big question is: Will the new rules be enforced this way, or will Thai embassies put a 90 day wait on issuing Tourist visas to people who have just left Thailand? Our feeling is the Thai Embassy you go to will be asking questions. You may get the visa but then again... Quote Sunbelt, in addition to this, "If you have a visa on arrival more than three times in six months, you cannot come into Thailand without a visa from an Embassy/Consulate." Somewhere else, I think you said this six months is effective RETROACTIVELY as of October 1, 2006. In other words, the monthly visa runners who now have 3 to 83 one-month stamps in their passport, must leave the kingdom within the next thirty days, and go to a friendly enough consulate who will give them a real visa of some kind, IF that consulate thinks they deserve the visa, and feel like giving that visa to the queue that's 89 smelly farang long, going out the door. So, hundreds of teachers who already have a contract until March 2007, must spend October leaving the country, hunting down a friendly consulate or embassy that costs less than 50,000 to visit, right? Teachers whose employers (Thai schools) never could trouble themselves to follow Thai law, right? This is who Immigration is going after, people working without a work permit. www.sunbeltasiagroup.com #50
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-12 21:14:34
hi guys.. so why do people want multiple tourist visa's anyway? surely 30 or 60 days is enough for a holiday - and thats what these tourist visa's are for. if you are working or staying in thailand why dont you get a work or retirement or dependants visa? i dont think that there is anything wrong here with the new visa requirements - just people trying to get around the law - for whatever reason - probably tax or insurance or just simply black employment .... so what do such people ( multiple tourist visa ) do for a living? how do they get money? one assumes its all illigal? so i guess thats why the thai authorities are trying to tighten up on them? amarka Some people need these visas because they are retired, under 50 and don't trust investing money in the country which seems to make since taking all of this into account. They need a retired visa for the young people. You don't have to be old to retire. hi jbsears, yes - that sounds ok. but how do people prove they have enough money to retire on? its easy to move money around for a few days to get a visa. maybe a different story if one could prove income or pension payments? but i guess that most can't. amarka
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