90 days after 3 visits on the free on arrival visa(s). You'd have to spring for a tourist visa after you have exhausted that option I would assume.
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On-arrival Visas: 90 Days And You’re Out!PHUKET GAZETTE
Started by george, 2006-09-12 20:18
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Senior Member Posted 2006-09-13 01:43:32
What does this mean for those of us who go to Penang for a triple entry tourist visa twice a year? However, if you are working illegally in Thailand you should nevertheless do whatever is necessary to get legal. The basic policy seems to be the removal of foreigners working illegally in Thailand and if this new rule does not stop them the government may have other ways to do so. --------------- Maestro Personally I do not understand the excitement of several members this forum caused by the new tourist visa on arrival regulations. The typical tourist will come to Thailand most probably twice a year in maximum. “Tourists” who are seeking other activities than normal tourists normally are looking for, should apply that visa type suiting their activities. In Europe you have to play by the law, why not here in Thailand? You are guest of this country - behave accordingly and you will have no problems at all. By the way, the “new“ rules are just a consequent follow up of the spirit of old rules and visa regulation. Unfortunately the applicants over stretched old conditions too much. Bush will be interesting to see if you stoic law-and-order types are still stoic law-and-order types when they make a change that affects *you*. hopefully you lot will not descend into pissing and moaning like jilted schoolgirls, that would be an utterly tedious follow-up to this sort of lecture. #28
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-13 01:45:18
If the answer is that in order to stay, you would need to form a company to do some token business, then great, we all understand now. Form a bullshit company and get a work permit or leave. Unfortunately there is no clarification from immigration. #29
What do you want? Information. You're not going to get it. Posted 2006-09-13 01:50:23
Now we are getting confused even more..will someone please get the real story. According to the Ministry of Foreign affairs web site pointed about to me by another member, Visa on Arrival V.O.A does not apply to 41 countries including U.K. Passport holders. We are "Visa Exempt", all we get is a 30 day entry stamp so there should be no problem at all for us. However, there are 20 Countries that require Visa on Arrival and that includes Russia, Ukraine, Slovakia etc, and quite a number of its citizens have been involved in Prostitution and Mafia activities. I believe this proposal of throwing them out for 90 days, is designed to get rid of the Russian and Eastern Block prostitutes and Mafia. Since this also includes Saudi Arabia, I presume they also want to make sure the Al-Queda types do not overstay their welcome. Since all the stories refer to "Visa on Arrival", it surely does not affect the majority of us, here is a quote from the Official Web site: TOURIST VISA EXEMPTION - According to the Interior Ministerial Announcements dated 1 October B.E. 2545 (2002), 20 December B.E. 2545 (2002) ,18 October B.E. 2547 (2004) and 6 May B.E. 2548 (2005) , passport holders from 40 countries and Hong Kong SAR do not require a visa when entering Thailand for tourism purposes and will be permitted to stay in the Kingdom for 30 days. Regards #30
Kinked Member Posted 2006-09-13 01:53:12
>>>Guess the essence of the situation is: Thailand has no room for non-producing hangarounds in the working age ... Who can blame them?
What if your a professional ThaiGirl hunter? #31
Member Posted 2006-09-13 01:54:03
This really messes me up.....I am 41 yrs old, retiring from the military soon with a pension, all I wish to do is stay in Thailand with my GF and travel around......if they are only talking about 'consecutive voa's and they won't be messing with people who posses "tourist visas", then I should be ok, I'll just have to get tourist visas every couple months, not the best route but feasible.....that is if they leave visa holders alone, as they state in the regulation. See what they need is a visa for people like me, I have plan to work there at all.
travlling #32
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-13 01:56:27
i am a 49 year old who can get his pension at the age of 50 who works in England and was planning to move to Thailand next August what do i do now? the lump sum i take from my pension will be used to build a home so i will not be able to stick 800,000 in the bank.HELP Once one is 50 years of age,AND is getting a pension he/she will be able to use this pension amount (confirmed by the home embassy)in combination with the Thai bank acct. to meet the 800K requirement come extension time. In other words,in this case one does NOT need the full 800K baht in the bank. #33
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-13 02:07:24
What does this mean for those of us who go to Penang for a triple entry tourist visa twice a year? However, if you are working illegally in Thailand you should nevertheless do whatever is necessary to get legal. The basic policy seems to be the removal of foreigners working illegally in Thailand and if this new rule does not stop them the government may have other ways to do so. --------------- Maestro The spirit of this new crackdown is to stop SERIAL TOURISTS, whether by stamp or tourist visas. Do you seriously think that if you show up in Penang with a passport full of stamps and visas, that it will continue to be business as usual? Yes, its possible. But it seems more likely it will not be. There is another Sunbelt post confirming my conclusion that it is folly to feel secure in this situation. Nevertheless,Maestro is correct in saying that,at least thus far, there has been nothing said about limiting tourist visas. Dont forget,30 entry stamps are free,tourist visas,(like any other visa) are a steady source of revenue for the Thai govt. One simply cannot extrapolate and say that the 30 day entry stamp limit will someday spill over and include tourist visas as well. #34
Advanced Member Posted 2006-09-13 02:20:43
OK I do not work, I am a US citizen, and I arrived witouth a visa, just got a stamp at the aiport when I arrived and have made visa runs every 3o days. I am due to renew on the 19th of September. So I will get on the bus and cross the border, will I be allowed back in?
#35
Advanced Member Posted 2006-09-13 02:24:58
And me what can I do, I'm 65 and I stay here whit my retirement money but it is only 40.000Bath a month. I'm dutch and my country have sign whit Thailand a agrement so the both country's have the right to check if I'm working and for sure I'm not working. And the ampur here in Songhkla know that I stay here, I have not 800.000Bath on a Thai bank and I hop already for years to Malysia. I cant go back to the Netherlands becouse there is nothing and there is no house for me. so what can I doo.
Greetings billshot64 #36
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-13 02:31:08
There are a significant number of people living in Thailand who do not seem to qualify for any of the visa options UNLESS they are going to permit endless tourist visas. What visa would you suggest a 40 year old retired American apply for who is not married to a Thai and does not wish to work or do business in Thailand? If the answer is that in order to stay, you would need to form a company to do some token business, then great, we all understand now. Form a bullshit company and get a work permit or leave. Unfortunately there is no clarification from immigration. The clarification will come from immigration officer when you show up without one of the visas that that they require, or too many of the stamps that they told you are unacceptable, and then they tell you to leave. This whole thing seems extremely simple to me, and there should be very little confusion for anyone that has been in Thailand for more than a year. Simple principle, if you come here often and don't have a long term visa, you will need to get the paper 60 day tourist visas from embassies or consulates abroad, instead of the 30 transit (VOA) stamps you are accustom to getting, if you want to stay here long term or come often in a short period of time. Thats it, this isn't rocket science. If you say that that is too big of an expense for you, I am sure Thailands response would be, if an AirAsia ticket, and a couple nights in a hotel room is too big of an expense for you, then we don't want your broke arse here anyways. For overseas workers that come here often, and truely are just frequent tourists, you are getting the short end of the stick. You will have to go to get 60 day tourist visas at embassies or consulates, if you feel that is too much trouble, that is ok, you are a insignificant to the Thai government or its economy, so there won't be a problem if you want to go somewhere else. People that have been here less than a year, I feel for you, this is probably very confusing. Edited by cutter007, 2006-09-13 02:44:37. #37
Platinum Member Posted 2006-09-13 02:57:23
[quote name='ChiangMaiThai' date='2006-09-13 00:40:29' post='891416']
[quote] These kinds of posts are really starting to annoy me. Can you please open your eyes? There are a significant number of people living in Thailand who do not seem to qualify for any of the visa options UNLESS they are going to permit endless tourist visas. What visa would you suggest a 40 year old retired American apply for who is not married to a Thai and does not wish to work or do business in Thailand? [/quote] Here is one possibility. Get on a plane every 90 days. Fly down to Singapore & get yourself a visa. Just because you have made the decision to "live" in Thailand does not mean the Government nescessarily will afford you that "right". Put on your thinking cap & see if you can comply with the law. Edited by dotcom, 2006-09-13 03:09:24. #38
Member Posted 2006-09-13 04:20:42  Iam totally confused on the new visa arrangements, as I have a stepdaughter living in Thailand and because of her grandparents falsifying records that she is their daughter need to have DNA tests done and for approval to challenge the thai authorities to enable her to be able to come to Australia and live with her mother as I know the legal proces is very slow in Thailand and also I will need to be in Thailand what can a person do in this situation and the other problem is that her mother is laotian.any advice please. 
#39
Super Member Posted 2006-09-13 04:22:09
And me what can I do, I'm 65 and I stay here whit my retirement money but it is only 40.000Bath a month. I'm dutch and my country have sign whit Thailand a agrement so the both country's have the right to check if I'm working and for sure I'm not working. And the ampur here in Songhkla know that I stay here, I have not 800.000Bath on a Thai bank and I hop already for years to Malysia. I cant go back to the Netherlands becouse there is nothing and there is no house for me. so what can I doo. Greetings billshot64 I don't think you are the only one in a similar position. Possibly the worst scenario is that your retirement may for a time be split between Thailand and A.N.Other nearby country if you have difficulty applying for 'normal' visas. Travel broadens the mind? #40
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-13 04:31:51
>>>Guess the essence of the situation is: Thailand has no room for non-producing hangarounds in the working age ... Who can blame them? What if your a professional ThaiGirl hunter? #41
Member Posted 2006-09-13 04:56:59
OK I AM SO CONFUSED>>>>>>>> So if I have been doing the visa runs now for the past 8 months as of october 1 that will end. So my question is this: I just renewed my visa today it will expire on oct 12 does that mean I can still do 2 more? Or because of all my past visa runs will I already be at the maximum allowed? Also I have heard I can go to malasia and get a special 1 yr visa or a triple entry 90 day visa will that be allowed? Can someone recomend a good visa for me to apply for, I am not here working or anything basically just hanging out with my girlfriend enjoying my time. What is the best way now to stay in this country???? PLEASE HELP Depends where you stay in Thailand. You can take sleep train to Butterworth and ferry over to Penang. You apply for double entry tourist visa, 2000 Baht (200 Ringit), at the Royal Thai Consulate. Pick up your visa next day at 2:00 and take minibus to Hat Yai or sleep one more night in Penang and take sleep train back to your preferred destination the next day. Result, six months permitted stay, onlyhave to go to a border after three months to activate second visa. And of course, after two months (and five months) you have to extend for 1900 Baht at a local Thai Immigration. 6 months, 6000Baht fees. What are you waiting for? Go buy that ticket, NOW!! #42
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-13 05:04:32
George, can you please ask your immigration connection the following question? Is one permitted to stay indefinetly on tourist VISAS (not 30 day stamps)? Is the purpose of this to make sure that everyone is scrutinized more closely before being let back in or is the purpose of this to end the ptractice of living in Thailand as a tourist? It boggles the mind how they can release only partial information when the lives of tens of thousands of people are in the balance. George has a ""Phuket Gazette" .. (tabloid newspaper) connection via the net .. not an Immigration connection. I suggest you ask them directly yourself and bypass all the "spin doctoring" that newspapers worldwide are famous for. 
#43
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-13 05:16:10
Solution 1. .. for twits too tight to buy tourist visas .. 90 days Thailand (with 2 border hops) .. go east on bus to Cambodia for 30 days .. continue east on bus to Saigon - Vietnam for 30 days .. jump on bus again and travel north to Laos for 30 days .. travel South to Thailand .. stay 90 days (with 2 border hops) .. repeat process untill dead. Experience new cultures, meet new people, avoid blisters on butt from sitting on Patong/Pattaya/PatPong barstool for too long.
Solution 2 .. Go without one drunken night with bargirl .. use saved money to purchase 2 month tourist visa. Renew tourist visa ad infinitum. Solution 3 .. Get a job and 1 year working visa. Edited by keekwai, 2006-09-13 05:38:37. #44
Advanced Member Posted 2006-09-13 05:28:57
[Personally I do not understand the excitement of several members this forum caused by the new tourist visa on arrival regulations.
The typical tourist will come to Thailand most probably twice a year in maximum. “Tourists” who are seeking other activities than normal tourists normally are looking for, should apply that visa type suiting their activities. I could not agree more. I know a number of people who have made Thailand home and are there on Tourist visas. If you want to stay, get the right visa, just like in any other part of the world. #45
Member Posted 2006-09-13 05:39:47
No more tesco's,big-c,7-11,carrefour's,last weeks announcement, now they won't have customers anyway, lets all f**k -off to Sihanookville,and develop Cambodia instead,and you can take your teelac with you.Should improve the once thriving fishing industry-good luck Pattaya Immigration,police,baht-bus,individuals who will all have to get their fishin rods out and earn a living from now on
#46
Senior Member Posted 2006-09-13 05:47:51
No more tesco's,big-c,7-11,carrefour's,last weeks announcement, now they won't have customers anyway, lets all f**k -off to Sihanookville,and develop Cambodia instead,and you can take your teelac with you.Should improve the once thriving fishing industry-good luck Pattaya Immigration,police,baht-bus,individuals who will all have to get their fishin rods out and earn a living from now on Right!! .. Go "East" young man. New "Frontier" Cambodia is calling. Bring cash, spurs, whisky and gun.
#47
Newbie Posted 2006-09-13 05:48:19 I am planning to go to Thailand around the middle of November this year. To spend some time with my gf. I am a web developer in the UK and have a UK customer base. They are happy to keep paying me for the work I am doing into my UK bussiness bank account as I am in Thailand.So I will be working on websites for my customers in Bangkok living with my gf in our appartment that we rent. My plan is and now maybe was... To stay there with her for 3 months working for my customers and bring money into Thailand and after the 3 months return to the UK for say 1 to 2 months and return for another 3 or maybe upto 6 months and so on.... Does this new law mean at some point I will have to stay out for 3 months. Say after I have been there for 3 months or 3 entrys. I have noticed this has all been alot of confusion.. But this is a shock for all of us! But any one hear about the bombs that went of in south thailand in the banks and one poor general in the thai army got killed.. Let face it they cant just let an body in any more.. We dont want a land of  become a land of 
#48
Super Member Posted 2006-09-13 05:52:42
as much as the new rule upset me . but i am very sure thailand would still progress without any of the money spend or money bring in by local visa run people .
as much as i am a visa runner myself . the mind set is there . we caculated that visa running is the cheapest way - while other visa option had long been out there . in fact few years ago getting a one years visa is so easy that you can pay like 10,000baht and stay in where you are to get it .. but that way history . those who stay long anough would know . - like i said rule and law changes is not alway bad - justneed time to fine tune . while the money we bring in and the way we spend compare to local thai income had a huge gap .. there is no sign that thai will suffer if all this money goes else where. the local thai is 70 million - while we only take up a very very small % of the whole of thailand . if you look closer most alot of the bussiness run by the so called rich people in phuket and pataya are mostly bars - since the early days when bars and club basically open 24 hour . till the so called 12 am -1 am close shop - trend we slowly se ethat thailand is tidying up itself . for a new age . people get smarter , and play by the rule . and like what many had said .. do your math and see if it worth .. believe me . i am in a pond of mud here trying to plan my next step - but this time . with more urgency and mindful that after all thailand is not my country . as much as i love it so much . #49
Advanced Member Posted 2006-09-13 06:30:11
for years i've worked on a consulting basis around Asia and the South Pacific. I've kept an apartment in Bankok which is where i spent the 25% of my time when not working. Some years i entered Thailand up to 40 times. I would always just get the 30 days on arrival. Rarely I'd stay the full 30 days, sometimes just overnight, usually 5 - 14 days at a time.
This has been good for me, I like Thailand and speak the language and have many friends here, BKK is fairly convenient and inexpensive for region travel, and Bangkok has really become my home. It's been pretty good for Thailand as well: I spend quite a bit of money here, and cause no harm. Now I'm completely confused about what to do. #50
Super Member Posted 2006-09-13 06:33:48
well - i share the same confusion . i been here for a long time nad love it enough to move my family here and got my father and mother their " O " VISA - in fact my mother just got her " O " visa and is entering thailand on 16th sep .
i been here for many years and learn to love this place . with the change of rule i got plan more and also look in the long term .. |
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