Tywais

Smoke, Smog, Dust 2016-2017 Chiang Mai

825 posts in this topic

I was in Kalimantan in October 2015, the situation was terrible, you could not see 50 metres at times

I read recently, that the Indonesian Government have followed Singapore lead and hit Companies who burn with large fines

Its about time the ASEAN countries got serious, and stopped these Companies burning each year

Its simple hit them hard...LARGE FINES AND / OR IMPRISONMENT

The cost to the people health and countries runs into millions

Sounds good to me. How much of it is caused by large companies here in Chiang Mai?

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The main perpetrators are the landowners themselves, the rich elite and their associates.

Heavy fines on landowners has worked in other countries but this lot are hardly likely to fine themselves. 1503456.GIF

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Smokey in CM today.
The smoke I see is looking mostly to the east and south from around the CMU area.

Can't see much past Kad Suan Kaew and the eastern mountain range is not visible at all.

Any folks out past the city 12+ kilometers smoke free?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Smokey in CM today.

The smoke I see is looking mostly to the east and south from around the CMU area.

Can't see much past Kad Suan Kaew and the eastern mountain range is not visible at all.

Any folks out past the city 12+ kilometers smoke free?

Maybe it's the car exhaust fumes from all our unwanted visitors, heading back to Bangkok.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Smokey in CM today.

The smoke I see is looking mostly to the east and south from around the CMU area.

Can't see much past Kad Suan Kaew and the eastern mountain range is not visible at all.

Any folks out past the city 12+ kilometers smoke free?

Maybe it's the car exhaust fumes from all our unwanted visitors, heading back to Bangkok.

I think this is smoke from crop burn off.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Two large forest fires seen last night on the mountains to the West. Here it comes.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That's a very good question, and one of the first to ask.

As I recall, one very large company, CP, is now "working" with the government on a campaign to mitigate burning, and the target there is primarily corn. The place to start looking, outside of rice production, is probably the biofuel and feedstock agribusiness companies.

My hunch is that while some large tenent-farmed tracts (as with rice production) may be owned by some companies but that there are more contracts made ultimately with small to medium-sized middlemen and growers. This no doubt complicates new and existing regulation and enforcement.

Not that some progress isn't being made more generally with improving recognition of the problem and changing peoples' attitudes. Just to pick a local example, look at TV Chiang Mai where, years ago, there was a persistent group of posters who denied being personally affected by air pollution! This parallels the change of attitudes (and later customary behavior and laws) regarding smoking tobacco. And then there were some who got into rather pointless lengthy presentations of information about whether or not things were better or worse in Chiang Mai over the years! We haven't seen those kinds of posts in recent years, but the number of posts asking where to buy face masks and air purifiers has increased quite a bit.

Good post. One thing to note is that mountainsides where no farming is being done are ALWAYS torched by the locals for hed top mushroom generation. A single person could light miles and miles of fire lines in a single night. Some years up in Mae Taeng, the coverage was close to 100% in the jungle trails in the mountains where we mountain bike.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's official smoke/fire season has started Pai under blanket and smell and taste all over- damn and I thought I got it right this time with my escape ticket it's just every year a bit earlier a bit longer. So next year January to May and soon all year long?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That's a very good question, and one of the first to ask.

As I recall, one very large company, CP, is now "working" with the government on a campaign to mitigate burning, and the target there is primarily corn. The place to start looking, outside of rice production, is probably the biofuel and feedstock agribusiness companies.

My hunch is that while some large tenent-farmed tracts (as with rice production) may be owned by some companies but that there are more contracts made ultimately with small to medium-sized middlemen and growers. This no doubt complicates new and existing regulation and enforcement.

Not that some progress isn't being made more generally with improving recognition of the problem and changing peoples' attitudes. Just to pick a local example, look at TV Chiang Mai where, years ago, there was a persistent group of posters who denied being personally affected by air pollution! This parallels the change of attitudes (and later customary behavior and laws) regarding smoking tobacco. And then there were some who got into rather pointless lengthy presentations of information about whether or not things were better or worse in Chiang Mai over the years! We haven't seen those kinds of posts in recent years, but the number of posts asking where to buy face masks and air purifiers has increased quite a bit.

Good post. One thing to note is that mountainsides where no farming is being done are ALWAYS torched by the locals for hed top mushroom generation. A single person could light miles and miles of fire lines in a single night. Some years up in Mae Taeng, the coverage was close to 100% in the jungle trails in the mountains where we mountain bike.

Except the last part a decent post - just scroll back to 2015 post and you will find this useless and lengthily discussions.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This evening the headman in our village announced that the government is asking for villagers to complete all agricultural burning by February 15. After that, fires will by monitored by satellite and the gov't will "take action" against communities that violate. Time will tell.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This evening the headman in our village announced that the government is asking for villagers to complete all agricultural burning by February 15. After that, fires will by monitored by satellite and the gov't will "take action" against communities that violate. Time will tell.

They will have no Problem to see the red belt as usual and as usual they will ignore it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This evening the headman in our village announced that the government is asking for villagers to complete all agricultural burning by February 15. After that, fires will by monitored by satellite and the gov't will "take action" against communities that violate. Time will tell.

They will have no Problem to see the red belt as usual and as usual they will ignore it.

post-183415-14528278090278_thumb.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Had to get a tube stuck down my throat through my nose, as I thought I might have had throat cancer (non smoker) but realize now that is the air here. Negative on any cancer but a swollen larynx or something. A guy at my condo went south for a week, and his coughing cleared up and started when returned a few days ago. He is packing his bags and breaking his lease. What a shame and we have to include all the fine particulate matter that comes from these crazy construction sites, asbestos, various fibers, concrete and metal dust etc etc. What the hell are we doing to this planet anyways?

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

ID: 43   Posted (edited)

Had to get a tube stuck down my throat through my nose, as I thought I might have had throat cancer (non smoker) but realize now that is the air here. Negative on any cancer but a swollen larynx or something. A guy at my condo went south for a week, and his coughing cleared up and started when returned a few days ago. He is packing his bags and breaking his lease. What a shame and we have to include all the fine particulate matter that comes from these crazy construction sites, asbestos, various fibers, concrete and metal dust etc etc. What the hell are we doing to this planet anyways?

It's just the programmed by nature extinction process which has to happen if one kind brings the system out of balance but this leads to far. Don't worry men can not kill nature but the other way around it works.

Just join the burning never pick up a plastic bottle or be otherwise concerned this will only slowdown the extinction process and extend the suffering period for the future generations.

Edited by blueyeshk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Blueyeshk,

Ya probably right. <deleted>....I have great memories from Michigan of drinking the water we were swimming in as kids, all spring fed and pure.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

ID: 45   Posted (edited)

Let the burning begin!

Out for a walk tonight and the burning has started in earnest. Three fires in the Khuntan forest behind our village in NE Lamphun province, and numerous fires throughout the village proper. Our neighbours burn almost every night. I have no idea what they are gathering to burn so frequently? Same people do it all the time. The wife and I never burn, just compost. <head shake> Thais can't seem to self-regulate for the betterment of their country, and the government (present and previous) doesn't seem to have the will to regulate. No end to this problem any year soon, imho. dry.pngbeatdeadhorse.gif

Edited by connda
1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This evening the headman in our village announced that the government is asking for villagers to complete all agricultural burning by February 15. After that, fires will by monitored by satellite and the gov't will "take action" against communities that violate. Time will tell.

Ah-huh. Right. When buffalos fly methinks. coffee1.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is Doi Suthep from Chiang Mai university a few days ago. Though 3.6km away which compounds the haze. 2nd photo, post processed the same image to show what it ideally should look like. smile.png

24284061122_8f79e8d86e_z.jpg

23765485333_da22779f21_z.jpg

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

https://vimeo.com/151150793

Good video on the haze in Chiang Mai and the consequent health hazards.

Plenty of facts from well-qualified sources.

After this we can close the post no further explanation, arguing if it's bad, good or worse to health or in regards of reasons and solution needed!

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

BANGKOK 27 March 2017 13:40
Sponsors