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[sabaijai]

rice555, on 2008-09-08 05:14:15, said:

Hello J R Texas, they are fun to grow and are good eaten too. The start to 3 Rai of Ancho's.
rice555

You mean poblano, right?

[JR Texas]

rice555, on 2008-09-08 12:14:15, said:

Hello J R Texas, they are fun to grow and are good eaten too. The start to 3 Rai of Ancho's.
rice555

Where did you get the pablano seeds......will you sun dry the pablano to make ancho or smoke them?  I think it takes about 75 days from seed to harvest....right?

I really miss Mexican food in Thailand.......especially chili rellenos (stuffed, roasted pablano) with ancho sauce.........tamale..........too many others.

[rice555]

sabaijai, on 2008-09-08 12:37:14, said:

rice555, on 2008-09-08 05:14:15, said:

Hello J R Texas, they are fun to grow and are good eaten too. The start to 3 Rai of Ancho's.
rice555

You mean poblano, right?

Hello sabaijai, I have two 1-OZ seed(4,000) packs from 2 different seed companies, they use only the 'A' word, not the 'P' word on the packs.
At the end of the growing cycle you have an Ancho, thats what is being sold, not an unripe fruit. If you want to pick early, thats your choice and the fruit then goes by Pobiano.
rice555

[rice555]

Where did you get the pablano seeds......will you sun dry the pablano to make ancho or smoke them?  I think it takes about 75 days from seed to harvest....right?

I really miss Mexican food in Thailand.......especially chili rellenos (stuffed, roasted pablano) with ancho sauce.........tamale..........too many others.
[/quote]

Hello J R Texas, a friend gave them to me in Pattaya.
A Pablano is a green unripe Ancho chili, Ancho's are 'RED' when ripe and usually dried. They can be whole pod or ground into powder.
It's 75+ days for Ancho's after transplanting. The number of days given on tomato, eggplant and chilli/pepper's is always after transplanting, not from seed. The picture in my first post are 2-day after sprouting, it's a bitch with the rain's and no greenhouse.  
rice555

[sabaijai]

In Mexico they call it chile poblano when fresh, chile ancho when dried, and that's usually how chile fanatics in the USA define them as well. Maybe the seed packets are marketing those seeds as a variety intended to be dried after harvesting?

http://www.recipezaa...tentry.zsp?id=3
http://www.clovegard.../chili.html#var

[JR Texas]

sabaijai, on 2008-09-09 22:16:02, said:

In Mexico they call it chile poblano when fresh, chile ancho when dried, and that's usually how chile fanatics in the USA define them as well. Maybe the seed packets are marketing those seeds as a variety intended to be dried after harvesting?

http://www.recipezaa...tentry.zsp?id=3
http://www.clovegard.../chili.html#var

Seems odd they would not sell "poblano seeds" instead of "ancho seeds."  Of course, no matter whether they are called poblano or ancho seeds, you end up with a pablano plant and the poblano peppers can be dried/dehydrated to form the ancho peppers.

So, looks like we have the answer to chile relleno w/ ancho sauce..........now, about tamales.  

Thailand has so much corn......but it is nearly impossible to find dried corn that has not been sprayed with chemical pesticides and who knows what else.  All we need is good, dried corn and tamales can be made along with fresh corn tortillas........any idea on where to get dried corn?

[rice555]

Hello sabaijai, be them either 'P' or 'A', the fact remains my seed packs 'Ancho' and 'Ancho Grande', it doesn't say if dried, it says 'P' if picked green.What is it when picked red, when ripe?
You can see by the seed info blurbs that some also say 'A/P' and nobody says the same thing!
The big seed growers/breeders list them as "Ancho Type", this is not the seed co's that just sale seed and put their own info blurb and some say 'P'. My post was not a typo, it was what was on the seed pack, what do I know.
I just typed  what it has printed on the package and is listed in the seed info below.
I could be wrong about when it changes names, but my seed packs, #1 says Ancho, #2 says Ancho Grande.
If you want to check more seed co's, here is 2 links that cover over 90+% of US and Mex. seed co's.
What can I say, 25 years in San Jose and only know nid noy Spanish, can't roll my 'R's anyways. Sue em for false advertising.
rice555

http://www.seedquest...usa/default.htm
http://www.seedquest...as/mexico/a.htm

Ancho - 76 to 80 Days. (Hot)Medium sized upright plant produces high quality 5 to 6 inch fruit. Dark green turing red-mahogany color when mature. Moderate pungency. Excellent for fresh market, processing, or drying. Variety is called Poblano when picked green. Good for making rellanos.
(Pkt. $1.00) (1/4 oz. $2.00)

Ancho 101 #9480 (30 seeds) $2.25  
When fresh and still green, these mildly hot, heart-shaped peppers are stuffed and made into chiles rellenos. When mature they are dark, rust red, richly flavored, and often dried and ground into chili powder. Peppers become 4 inches long, tapering to a blunt point. Wrinkled skin takes on even more character when dried. May be strung into long ropes or made into wreaths.. 76 to 80 days.

Ancho San Luis #9272 (30 seeds) $2.30  
High quality, uniform heart -shaped peppers are dark green, maturing to red, then mahogany. Mildly pungent peppers, 1,500 to 4,500 Scoville units, are 6 inches long and 3 inches wide. They are used fresh, but are also excellent for drying because the fruit is so uniform in size and shape. 76 to 80 days

Ancho San Martin Hybrid #9030 (30 seeds) $3.65  
Large size, early maturity, and great production are what make this ancho pepper distinctive. Thick-fleshed peppers mature to 5-1/2 inches long and 3-1/2 inches wide, making them perfect for stuffing into chiles rellenos, as well as useful for roasting or drying. 75 days.

Ancho 211 (F1)
(Capsicum annuum)
Productive, most authentic tasting ancho we have trialed.
Heart-shaped, thinner-walled fruits are moderately pungent and turn from black-green to red. Mini: 30 seeds.
Days to Maturity or Bloom: 68 days green, 88 days red ripe.

Price/Quantity
$3.95     100 Seeds
$10.25    250 Seeds
$18.90    500 Seeds
$34.00   1,000 Seeds
$63.50   5,000 Seeds
$267.00  25,000 Seeds Backorder date 09/10/08

Ancho Magnifico Pepper
70 days. ¡Que rico! Your chili rellenos will be the talk of the neighborhood! The largest ancho in our trials, these fruit are thick-walled, turn from green to bright red, and possess a classic poblano flavor. Plants produce high yields of 4 1/2-6 1/2 inch long peppers that are one of the earliest anchos on the market. Also available as a plant.
25 seeds
$3.25
PP678/P
100 seeds
$7.35
PP678/B
500 seeds
$23.95

Ancho/Poblano Chile Pepper
Capiscum annuum
30-36" Tender Annual
One of the most popular chiles in Mexico. Mildly hot 4-6 in. fruits are widely used for making chile rellenos and mole. Dark green skin turns red when ripe. Known as Poblano when fresh. Ancho when dried. Bushy, extremely productive plants.

Anchos/Poblanos
Also known as poblanos when the peppers are still green, anchos are a mainstay in many popular Southwestern recipes. They are large enough for stuffing and become “anchos” when they turn brick-red and are fully dry.
Pepper
Hot
Ancho Grande  
4000 seeds/oz

Capsicum annuum

76 days. Called Poblano when green. Peppers are 4 inches long by 2½ inches across at the shoulder, tapering to a blunt point. Ripens from dark green to rust red. Plants are 30 to 36 inches high. A medium hot chile. Continuous harvest.

PP673/B
500 seeds
$24.25

Hot, Ancho - ANCHO ARRIERO F1
Early, large size with concentrated set.

Hot, Ancho  - HUIZACHE (HMX 6662)
Early high yield of excellent quality pods

Strong, early plant
Fruit turns red, excellent for drying
Large, heavy fruit
Dark green, glossy
Suitable for warmer conditions

HOT PEPPERS
Long Pepper-Hybrid
w Early Ancho F1
w Hy Cayenne F1
w Jala Mex F1
w Magic F1
w Maxi-Jala F1
w Red Top F1
w Red Chilli F1
w Wonder Hot F1

Long Pepper-Open Pollinated
w Anaheim M
w Ancho Supremo
w Cayenne

Supreme F1 Ancho 70–75 Dark Green 6–7 in 2 Veins Tobamo
A new generation ancho with greater tolerance/resistance and the highest quality fruit.

San Ardo F1 Ancho 75–80 Dark Green to Red 6.5x3.5 in 2 Veins

Tobamo
Fruit are very large with excellent color.

[rice555]

Hello J R Texas, read the reply to sabaijai about the 'A' thing. I like my rellenos made from NuMex chilies with more heat like the Sandia, and will try Barker Hot(30,000 SVU) this year.  
Do you know what type of corn your looking for? There's more than pop and sweet you know.
We use to talk about Mexico over spraying in the US. But not to worry, LOS doesn't grow the right corn, but maybe my Oaxacan green dent corn seed will, no? I would be more worried about produce from China more than here, todays B-P had another CN baby formula incident.
At the Suk Soi 2 Villa store back a few years, a lady was selling tamales and other Mexican dishes on the R/H side by the freezer cases(before remodeling) , for Thailand, they were very good. One company had an add in N.Cal. that "Tuesday is Red's Tamoles Day",(late 50's-60's), but nothing like the small homemade ones.
The pix is some of spice today.
rice555

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[MaxLee]

Did anybody find out in the mean time where in Ekkamai Taco is located??? I would appreciate it if anybody could give me the address... Thanks in advance

[sabaijai]

rice555, on 2008-09-10 10:36:22, said:

Hello sabaijai, be them either 'P' or 'A', the fact remains my seed packs 'Ancho' and 'Ancho Grande', it doesn't say if dried, it says 'P' if picked green.What is it when picked red, when ripe?
You can see by the seed info blurbs that some also say 'A/P' and nobody says the same thing!
The big seed growers/breeders list them as "Ancho Type", this is not the seed co's that just sale seed and put their own info blurb and some say 'P'. My post was not a typo, it was what was on the seed pack, what do I know.
I just typed  what it has printed on the package and is listed in the seed info below.
I could be wrong about when it changes names, but my seed packs, #1 says Ancho, #2 says Ancho Grande.
If you want to check more seed co's, here is 2 links that cover over 90+% of US and Mex. seed co's.
What can I say, 25 years in San Jose and only know nid noy Spanish, can't roll my 'R's anyways. Sue em for false advertising.
rice555

http://www.seedquest...usa/default.htm
http://www.seedquest...as/mexico/a.htm

Ancho - 76 to 80 Days. (Hot)Medium sized upright plant produces high quality 5 to 6 inch fruit. Dark green turing red-mahogany color when mature. Moderate pungency. Excellent for fresh market, processing, or drying. Variety is called Poblano when picked green. Good for making rellanos.
(Pkt. $1.00) (1/4 oz. $2.00)

Ancho 101 #9480 (30 seeds) $2.25  
When fresh and still green, these mildly hot, heart-shaped peppers are stuffed and made into chiles rellenos. When mature they are dark, rust red, richly flavored, and often dried and ground into chili powder. Peppers become 4 inches long, tapering to a blunt point. Wrinkled skin takes on even more character when dried. May be strung into long ropes or made into wreaths.. 76 to 80 days.

Ancho San Luis #9272 (30 seeds) $2.30  
High quality, uniform heart -shaped peppers are dark green, maturing to red, then mahogany. Mildly pungent peppers, 1,500 to 4,500 Scoville units, are 6 inches long and 3 inches wide. They are used fresh, but are also excellent for drying because the fruit is so uniform in size and shape. 76 to 80 days

Ancho San Martin Hybrid #9030 (30 seeds) $3.65  
Large size, early maturity, and great production are what make this ancho pepper distinctive. Thick-fleshed peppers mature to 5-1/2 inches long and 3-1/2 inches wide, making them perfect for stuffing into chiles rellenos, as well as useful for roasting or drying. 75 days.

Ancho 211 (F1)
(Capsicum annuum)
Productive, most authentic tasting ancho we have trialed.
Heart-shaped, thinner-walled fruits are moderately pungent and turn from black-green to red. Mini: 30 seeds.
Days to Maturity or Bloom: 68 days green, 88 days red ripe.

Price/Quantity
$3.95     100 Seeds
$10.25    250 Seeds
$18.90    500 Seeds
$34.00   1,000 Seeds
$63.50   5,000 Seeds
$267.00  25,000 Seeds Backorder date 09/10/08

Ancho Magnifico Pepper
70 days. ¡Que rico! Your chili rellenos will be the talk of the neighborhood! The largest ancho in our trials, these fruit are thick-walled, turn from green to bright red, and possess a classic poblano flavor. Plants produce high yields of 4 1/2-6 1/2 inch long peppers that are one of the earliest anchos on the market. Also available as a plant.
25 seeds
$3.25
PP678/P
100 seeds
$7.35
PP678/B
500 seeds
$23.95

Ancho/Poblano Chile Pepper
Capiscum annuum
30-36" Tender Annual
One of the most popular chiles in Mexico. Mildly hot 4-6 in. fruits are widely used for making chile rellenos and mole. Dark green skin turns red when ripe. Known as Poblano when fresh. Ancho when dried. Bushy, extremely productive plants.

Anchos/Poblanos
Also known as poblanos when the peppers are still green, anchos are a mainstay in many popular Southwestern recipes. They are large enough for stuffing and become “anchos” when they turn brick-red and are fully dry.
Pepper
Hot
Ancho Grande  
4000 seeds/oz

Capsicum annuum

76 days. Called Poblano when green. Peppers are 4 inches long by 2½ inches across at the shoulder, tapering to a blunt point. Ripens from dark green to rust red. Plants are 30 to 36 inches high. A medium hot chile. Continuous harvest.

PP673/B
500 seeds
$24.25

Hot, Ancho - ANCHO ARRIERO F1
Early, large size with concentrated set.

Hot, Ancho  - HUIZACHE (HMX 6662)
Early high yield of excellent quality pods

Strong, early plant
Fruit turns red, excellent for drying
Large, heavy fruit
Dark green, glossy
Suitable for warmer conditions

HOT PEPPERS
Long Pepper-Hybrid
w Early Ancho F1
w Hy Cayenne F1
w Jala Mex F1
w Magic F1
w Maxi-Jala F1
w Red Top F1
w Red Chilli F1
w Wonder Hot F1

Long Pepper-Open Pollinated
w Anaheim M
w Ancho Supremo
w Cayenne

Supreme F1 Ancho 70–75 Dark Green 6–7 in 2 Veins Tobamo
A new generation ancho with greater tolerance/resistance and the highest quality fruit.

San Ardo F1 Ancho 75–80 Dark Green to Red 6.5x3.5 in 2 Veins

Tobamo
Fruit are very large with excellent color.

Obviously the seed packs are labelled in English so I'm assuming these are US-grown seeds, and perhaps that's what they call them in America. In Mexico only the dried ripe poblano is called ancho. 'Ancho' means 'wide' and they only get that way after flattened and dried.

[JR Texas]

rice555, on 2008-09-10 16:47:20, said:

Hello J R Texas, read the reply to sabaijai about the 'A' thing. I like my rellenos made from NuMex chilies with more heat like the Sandia, and will try Barker Hot(30,000 SVU) this year.  
Do you know what type of corn your looking for? There's more than pop and sweet you know.
We use to talk about Mexico over spraying in the US. But not to worry, LOS doesn't grow the right corn, but maybe my Oaxacan green dent corn seed will, no? I would be more worried about produce from China more than here, todays B-P had another CN baby formula incident.
At the Suk Soi 2 Villa store back a few years, a lady was selling tamales and other Mexican dishes on the R/H side by the freezer cases(before remodeling) , for Thailand, they were very good. One company had an add in N.Cal. that "Tuesday is Red's Tamoles Day",(late 50's-60's), but nothing like the small homemade ones.
The pix is some of spice today.
rice555

Hi.......been away from the internet for a bit.  The only thing I know about palano and ancho is that in Texas Latinos, to the best of my knowledge, call the green, ripe form pablano.......it is mostly the green form that is dried to make ancho, not the red form.  But, I am sure some people both eat the red form and dry it too.

Having said that, I have no idea what type of corn I want.  I want to make tamales.........I want to make cornbread........I want to make corn tortillas.  Thailand has so much corn and it looks great..........what I can't get is the dried corn that is fit to eat........they dry it but use it for planting and it has pesticides all over it.

[onethailand]

With all due respect... every time this thread gets bumped I read, but I am not the least bit interested in poblanos or anchos and basically it's a bit off topic - perhaps Sabaijai would be so kind as to split these posts off into a new thread?

You're making me hungry...   Thanks...

[jfchandler]

Something like.... Mexican chile farming in LOS???

[JR Texas]

jfchandler, on 2008-09-24 19:11:20, said:

Something like.... Mexican chile farming in LOS???

This thread is about good Mexican food in Thailand.......some of us are convinced there is no good Mexican food in Thailand and have come to the conclusion that the problem is the lack of authentic ingredients, especially the essential peppers.  

We just wanted to discuss it and then it will likely be dropped and the people who want to tell us all how fantastic the Mexican food is in Thailand can have their say again.

[dotcom]

Totally a question of "Farming in Thaiiland".

Forum is already running.

[JimmyTheMook]

The place near Asok on Sukumvit was spotless.


They were a bit kineow with the cheese & sour cream  

[sabaijai]

On my three visits to Sunrise Tacos I've not seen a single fly. Also the place has been packed with locals and expats as well as tourists.

[jfchandler]

I myself like Sunrise at Soi 12 and eat there regularly for the food.... But I can vouch for what Dotcom reported above...since we ate together that day.

My order, stock off the menu without any changes or adds, came out fine. His order, which involved some paid extras, came out without them. And when he asked the staff to remedy the problems, they didn't do so in any way.

I mean, for example, it's pretty easy and unmistakable to see if sour cream has been added to the inside of a beef burrito or not... He paid extra for it, but sure didn't get any inside his burrito... That was very obvious to see. And when he asked the waiter about it, the waiter's only response was, it's already inside -- when it was easy to see as I also did, there was nothing creamy/white there at all.

About the flies... dunno what to say about that... That day/afternoon, there indeed was quite a flock buzzing around the inside of the restaurant. Never myself noticed that as a problem before. Maybe somebody had left one of the doors open earlier in the day. Again, I can vouch for Dotcom's report about that...at least for that afternoon.

[george]

Topic cleaned up and closed as it went both sour and off-topic.
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