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[SantiSuk]

Respect for you Fabio! Bunch of to$$ers the lot of 'em at the FA.

Bet they are still trying to find some way to appoint someone with a potential court case hanging over him as the new England manager :-)

[SantiSuk]

Woops - hadn't spotted the news that Harry was found not guilty. Fair do's to him and I withdraw any remarks I made months ago that implied guilt on his part!

Someone who has paid millions in taxes and has not previously been a proven tax-dodger would have got my juror benefit of doubt support (since I fall into that category meself )

Edited by SantiSuk, 2012-02-09 17:30:24.

[carmine]

SantiSuk, on 2012-02-09 13:40:30, said:

Respect for you Fabio! Bunch of to$$ers the lot of 'em at the FA.

Bet they are still trying to find some way to appoint someone with a potential court case hanging over him as the new England manager :-)

You might add that Fabio displayed massive bad judgement by reappointing Terry and this was shown clearly by Terry's latest storm.

He should have resigned a long time ago, if nothing else for playing Shaun Wright Phillips and Upson in the world cup.

[SantiSuk]

carmine, on 2012-02-10 10:03:10, said:

SantiSuk, on 2012-02-09 13:40:30, said:

Respect for you Fabio! Bunch of to$$ers the lot of 'em at the FA.

Bet they are still trying to find some way to appoint someone with a potential court case hanging over him as the new England manager :-)

You might add that Fabio displayed massive bad judgement by reappointing Terry and this was shown clearly by Terry's latest storm.

He should have resigned a long time ago, if nothing else for playing Shaun Wright Phillips and Upson in the world cup.

Agreed - he had a pisspoor World Cup and should have been sacked after that. Can't say I blame him for hanging on for the money - it's the to$$ers at the FA again who agreed a badly structured contract.

If the FA had discussed the appointment of Terry with him more frankly and said no back then this would all have been avoided. If the FA had discussed the sacking of Terry as captain with Capello frankly and made it clear that he should resign if he did not agree with it then also they would have avoided much of the opprobium a few of us heap on the FA's heads rather than Capello's head.

Of course the media and w@nker commentators like Shearer have lined it all up against Capello in their usual jingoistic/populist style. I think it's the FA that stinks, not Capello.

[carmine]

SantiSuk, on 2012-02-10 13:09:14, said:

carmine, on 2012-02-10 10:03:10, said:

SantiSuk, on 2012-02-09 13:40:30, said:

Respect for you Fabio! Bunch of to$$ers the lot of 'em at the FA.

Bet they are still trying to find some way to appoint someone with a potential court case hanging over him as the new England manager :-)

You might add that Fabio displayed massive bad judgement by reappointing Terry and this was shown clearly by Terry's latest storm.

He should have resigned a long time ago, if nothing else for playing Shaun Wright Phillips and Upson in the world cup.

Agreed - he had a pisspoor World Cup and should have been sacked after that. Can't say I blame him for hanging on for the money - it's the to$$ers at the FA again who agreed a badly structured contract.

If the FA had discussed the appointment of Terry with him more frankly and said no back then this would all have been avoided. If the FA had discussed the sacking of Terry as captain with Capello frankly and made it clear that he should resign if he did not agree with it then also they would have avoided much of the opprobium a few of us heap on the FA's heads rather than Capello's head.

Of course the media and w@nker commentators like Shearer have lined it all up against Capello in their usual jingoistic/populist style. I think it's the FA that stinks, not Capello.

How on earth does Shearer retain his job as a pundit?   He doesn't even seem to display the professionalism to do his homework before a game he's scheduled to comment on.

[oldgit]

carmine, on 2012-02-11 13:15:43, said:

SantiSuk, on 2012-02-10 13:09:14, said:

carmine, on 2012-02-10 10:03:10, said:

SantiSuk, on 2012-02-09 13:40:30, said:

Respect for you Fabio! Bunch of to$$ers the lot of 'em at the FA.

Bet they are still trying to find some way to appoint someone with a potential court case hanging over him as the new England manager :-)

You might add that Fabio displayed massive bad judgement by reappointing Terry and this was shown clearly by Terry's latest storm.

He should have resigned a long time ago, if nothing else for playing Shaun Wright Phillips and Upson in the world cup.

Agreed - he had a pisspoor World Cup and should have been sacked after that. Can't say I blame him for hanging on for the money - it's the to$$ers at the FA again who agreed a badly structured contract.

If the FA had discussed the appointment of Terry with him more frankly and said no back then this would all have been avoided. If the FA had discussed the sacking of Terry as captain with Capello frankly and made it clear that he should resign if he did not agree with it then also they would have avoided much of the opprobium a few of us heap on the FA's heads rather than Capello's head.

Of course the media and w@nker commentators like Shearer have lined it all up against Capello in their usual jingoistic/populist style. I think it's the FA that stinks, not Capello.

How on earth does Shearer retain his job as a pundit?   He doesn't even seem to display the professionalism to do his homework before a game he's scheduled to comment on.

And don't you just love it when,at the end of the conversation,his eyes squint,his bottom jaw protrudes just after a sharp intake of breath.That sort of authoritative look that implies 'I know more than you will ever know' when,in fact, all he has said is what we knew anyway.Next time Shearer,do your 'job' and tell us something we DON'T know.

[flyinghigh]

Shit result last night...AVB clueless

[oldgit]

The Everton game,for me,encapsulated the fundamental problem with the team.A desparate lack of pace,especially in midfield which, consequently, puts the centre of defence under immense pressure..After conceding the early goal where Steven Pienaar outstripped the defence in mind and pace,it was on us to offer a telling response.What was given was a predictability so evident in our game this season.Plenty of mundane,unimaginative passing with no pace and no penetration.Cole offers exactly the same every game.Runs down the wing with two options:
1) Looks for the pass inside then receives the return.
2) Looks for the pass inside and,if there's no one available,offloads the ball to the sanctuary of the defence who are immediately put under pressure because the opposing midfield knows what he's going to do even before he does.
Bosingwa,with his limited football brain,does things by an instinct only he can understand.What is it that attracts the slowest players in the Universe to the club? Do we actively seek them out ?Remember,we nearly signed Pierlo,probably the slowest midfielder that has ever stepped on grass, during Ancellotti's stewardship.Or am I being unfair and the team only LOOKS slow because of the lack of confidence in the players?
No,I don't think I am.Lampard was very,very good but,because he's slowed up,he's getting caught in possession.Merieles....slow and deliberate.Malouda.....very slow and very deliberate.Essien.....showing glimpses of his former brilliance but needs to get his game on track double quick.The only imagination,pace and guile comes from Mata and Sturridge.I'm sure Torres has backed himself not to score for the rest of the season.What other reason can he have for absolutely refusing to shoot?How much we are missing Ramires is already becoming apparent.Pienaar,who only appeared fleetingly for Spurs with very little game time looked liked the best midfielder in the Premiership.He ran the game.Why didn't we acquire him when Modric wasn't coming? He's exactly what we need,a quick,right sided,bright midfielder.Fellaini,who has just average pace,looked like Usain Bolt against our mob.

[carmine]

Do you current performances are down the the players or the manager?  It seems to me you are saying the players just arn't up to it regardless of Villas-Boas.

[oldgit]

carmine, on 2012-02-12 17:29:51, said:

Do you current performances are down the the players or the manager?  It seems to me you are saying the players just arn't up to it regardless of Villas-Boas.

Chelsea have played a successful slick passing game for years.The present players are trying to keep this tradition but,when the passing movement breaks down,they are not quick enough to get back and rectify the situation.You could blame Villas Boas for not realising the limitations of the team and continuing to play this way but, I prefer to put the lack of success squarely on the shoulders of the players.As I've said before.I've no allegiance to players and will only give them praise when they do a good job.We have some very promising young players, that have yet to be selected for the first team squad, so I would be disappointed in Villas Boas if he didn't introduce them soon.

[wellred]

It's amazing the money Abramovich has put in and all they have to show for it is 2 leagues, an FA Cup and a Carling Cup. What's worse the team's best players are mostly on the wrong side of 30. The same can be said of my team but Chelsea will be in need of a serious rebuilding job come the summer. The thing is can they afford to do that with the FFP in place? I suppose if they are not in the CL then it doesn't matter but you have to wonder if Roman has ever thought about just walking away.

A lot of rumors doing the rounds today around Capello replacing AVB within a few weeks.

Edited by wellred, 2012-02-12 20:13:59.

[Seapok]

Chelsea 2-0 defeat by Everton at Goodison Park as their 'worst' game of the season.

Steven Pienaar gave the Toffees an early lead and the Blues were given a mountain to climb after the break when Denis Stracqualursi added a second.
Chelsea rarely looked like scoring throughout and Villas-Boas believes the home side deserve credit for their 'terrific' display.

The Portuguese tactician was unable to focus on the positives after the full-time whistle, stating the team need to improve with FA Cup and UEFA Champions League games on the horizon.

"I think today was our worst game of the season, the worst in every sense of the word," explained Villas-Boas. "Everton were fantastic today, their new signings have helped them improve a lot.

"In our performance we were short of anything positive, it's a difficult day, there were a lot of negatives to take from it and a lot of things we need to improve on bearing in mind the FA Cup and Champions League.

"We suffered early in the game and though we controlled possession to the end of the first half we couldn't create enough chances.
"The second half was very even, but it was physical and we couldn't create enough chances, so in the end it was a lack of clarity that punished us hard.

"At the moment we are fifth and that's not enough for us. We played with Mata between the lines when I brought (Michael) Essien off but they scored straight away so I decided to put three strikers up front, and that was the logic behind my thinking."

Villas-Boas was critical of his own preparation of the team ahead of the game and the under-pressure manager has accepted full responsibility for the defeat at Goodison Park.

"Maybe on the instructions, maybe on the clarity of the instructions for the players," he continued. "I think the manager has to take fully responsibility when things don't go well and it was not good today.

"The commitment was there from the players. After we suffered the goal we had a setback, but we reacted to that setback. Maybe making a good reflection the right things at the right time must be given."

Edited by Seapok, 2012-02-12 20:18:37.

[SantiSuk]

Seapok is the only consistent thing about Chelsea. Come sunshine, rain or, as recently a plague of frogs, you still get the same straight-laced cut and paste jobby!

[carmine]

oldgit, on 2012-02-12 20:06:05, said:

carmine, on 2012-02-12 17:29:51, said:

Do you current performances are down the the players or the manager?  It seems to me you are saying the players just arn't up to it regardless of Villas-Boas.

Chelsea have played a successful slick passing game for years.The present players are trying to keep this tradition but,when the passing movement breaks down,they are not quick enough to get back and rectify the situation.You could blame Villas Boas for not realising the limitations of the team and continuing to play this way but, I prefer to put the lack of success squarely on the shoulders of the players.As I've said before.I've no allegiance to players and will only give them praise when they do a good job.We have some very promising young players, that have yet to be selected for the first team squad, so I would be disappointed in Villas Boas if he didn't introduce them soon.

I'll tell you what,  if Villas-Boas doesn't get rid of the old guard quickly he's finished.  That is if he isn't finished already.   Seems like if John Terry doesn't get the side he wants he rallies Cashley, Drogba et al and seeks to get the coach sacked.

[Seapok]

SantiSuk, on 2012-02-14 14:27:32, said:

Seapok is the only consistent thing about Chelsea. Come sunshine, rain or, as recently a plague of frogs, you still get the same straight-laced cut and paste jobby!

Haha yeah I know and I'm getting pretty bored of doing myself....seeing as the results haven't been great for a few months I can't summon the energy to think of something imaginative to talk about.
OG....up for a few beers in BKK come the end of April? :-)

[oldgit]

Seapok, on 2012-02-15 22:33:10, said:

SantiSuk, on 2012-02-14 14:27:32, said:

Seapok is the only consistent thing about Chelsea. Come sunshine, rain or, as recently a plague of frogs, you still get the same straight-laced cut and paste jobby!

Haha yeah I know and I'm getting pretty bored of doing myself....seeing as the results haven't been great for a few months I can't summon the energy to think of something imaginative to talk about.
OG....up for a few beers in BKK come the end of April? :-)

Is that before or after the marathon? Definitely,mate,just name the time and place.

[Seapok]

oldgit, on 2012-02-16 17:37:39, said:

Seapok, on 2012-02-15 22:33:10, said:

SantiSuk, on 2012-02-14 14:27:32, said:

Seapok is the only consistent thing about Chelsea. Come sunshine, rain or, as recently a plague of frogs, you still get the same straight-laced cut and paste jobby!

Haha yeah I know and I'm getting pretty bored of doing myself....seeing as the results haven't been great for a few months I can't summon the energy to think of something imaginative to talk about.
OG....up for a few beers in BKK come the end of April? :-)

Is that before or after the marathon? Definitely,mate,just name the time and place.

I'm going to Thailand day after I do the marathon so will email you our schedule to give you a better idea of whats going on.....much needed win against the Brummies Saturday I'm hoping for to restore some confidence at least. I might even go for a Torres goal! haha

[carmine]

How on earth can a coach say that its not important to have the backing of the players as long as Roman likes his project.  Does he think Roman will still like his project if you slip down to 7th?

I wonder if the bookies have him as next manager to get sacked?    Shame in some ways but i feel his decision to join Chelsea was all about money anyway.

there seems to be this divisive element in your squad that will undermine any manager for their own personal interests,  and its leaving AVB in an impossible position.

[Abrak]

carmine, on 2012-02-17 17:04:16, said:

How on earth can a coach say that its not important to have the backing of the players as long as Roman likes his project.  Does he think Roman will still like his project if you slip down to 7th?

I wonder if the bookies have him as next manager to get sacked? Shame in some ways but i feel his decision to join Chelsea was all about money anyway.

there seems to be this divisive element in your squad that will undermine any manager for their own personal interests,  and its leaving AVB in an impossible position.

Yes they do at 6/4

[Seapok]

Big game tonight boys, its going to be a tough one and no doubt if the result is negative then it will be the usual AVB has managed his last game, from what he has been saying in the media he feels he has the backing of the board.
We will see how much backing he has after tonights game....thats if we lose of course. I fancy it will be a 1-1 draw then 2-0 to us at the bridge.

[Abrak]

Actually Chelsea are back to their classic management 'catch 22'. A new manager is brought in with the express purpose of rebuilding and recreating a new team. He needs to tear down the old one, recruit new players and this is all going to take time and patience and is certain to produce some hiccups in performance along the way.

Six months later when there is a bump in the results during the 'project', the manager finds himself relying totally on the results of the next 3 or 4 games in order to keep his job. So his natural tendency is to revert back to what has worked in the past - the old guard and the old tactics and to throw the entire 'new project' out of the window.

Then a couple of months later someone tells him - look you have made virtually no progress in rebuilding the team. You have basically kept the old one who might be doing ok but are nothing like as good as they were, so quite frankly you can go and we will get someone new.

Still I do like the rumors that the possible replacements for AVB are Capello and Hiddink. Two geriatric managers whose retirement should coincide nicely with Terry, Lampard's and Ashley Cole.

[oldgit]

Abrak, on 2012-02-22 08:24:09, said:

Actually Chelsea are back to their classic management 'catch 22'. A new manager is brought in with the express purpose of rebuilding and recreating a new team. He needs to tear down the old one, recruit new players and this is all going to take time and patience and is certain to produce some hiccups in performance along the way.

Six months later when there is a bump in the results during the 'project', the manager finds himself relying totally on the results of the next 3 or 4 games in order to keep his job. So his natural tendency is to revert back to what has worked in the past - the old guard and the old tactics and to throw the entire 'new project' out of the window.

Then a couple of months later someone tells him - look you have made virtually no progress in rebuilding the team. You have basically kept the old one who might be doing ok but are nothing like as good as they were, so quite frankly you can go and we will get someone new.

Still I do like the rumors that the possible replacements for AVB are Capello and Hiddink. Two geriatric managers whose retirement should coincide nicely with Terry, Lampard's and Ashley Cole.

Everybody knows that the trophy Abramovich covets the most is the Champions League.He certainly won't be achieving his goal this year with this squad of players.They are not good enough and there are too many players in the team that couldn't give a shit.The quicker they go,the better.You could have Jesus Christ managing this lot and you still wouldn't win it.As an intelligent man,he's got to face that fact.For this reason,I watched the game last night quite relaxed.
Napoli showed what a good team they are going forward and,unusually for an italian team,quite direct,looking to get the ball to their front men as quickly as possible.Their achilles heel is undoubtedly their defence.
I blame John Terry for the revolving door of sacked managers and it's nothing to do with racist abuse charges or extra marital affairs.No,he missed the penalty that would have won the trophy against United.If that had gone in,the pressure would have been off.The fact that Chelsea and Arsenal are teetering on the edge of elimination at the knockout stage and,the supposed two best teams in the Premier League were dumped out at the group stage,shows how mediocre in quality the Premier League has become this season.
Incidentally,for those calling for Villas Boas's head to roll,how can a coach be responsible for the elementary mistakes and the appalling lack of concentration that an individual player makes while on the field of play? Why would a coach have to tell Raul Meireles that you don't turn your back on an opposing player with the ball but close him down?Why would Villas Boas have to tell David Luiz that you must concentrate at all times or you will be punished? That should come from within.

[Abrak]

One of the things that undermines Chelsea managers is the deafening silence from Abromavich.

While AVB says he has a project to rebuild the team over two years, the owners silence implies that whether he will or will not depends on how the results go over the short term. So the players who are likely to be replaced feel they can undermine that goal through poor short term results.

Ultimately the Lampard, Terry's, Cole's etc do not feel the manager has the authority to replace them for a long term goal and they have the authority to replace him through short term results.

[alfieconn]

I'm surprised "transitional period" hasn't been mentioned on this thread, or is that a man yoo excuse only  

Edited by alfieconn, 2012-02-22 18:21:21.

[mrbojangles]

oldgit, on 2012-02-22 11:37:52, said:

Abrak, on 2012-02-22 08:24:09, said:

Actually Chelsea are back to their classic management 'catch 22'. A new manager is brought in with the express purpose of rebuilding and recreating a new team. He needs to tear down the old one, recruit new players and this is all going to take time and patience and is certain to produce some hiccups in performance along the way.

Six months later when there is a bump in the results during the 'project', the manager finds himself relying totally on the results of the next 3 or 4 games in order to keep his job. So his natural tendency is to revert back to what has worked in the past - the old guard and the old tactics and to throw the entire 'new project' out of the window.

Then a couple of months later someone tells him - look you have made virtually no progress in rebuilding the team. You have basically kept the old one who might be doing ok but are nothing like as good as they were, so quite frankly you can go and we will get someone new.

Still I do like the rumors that the possible replacements for AVB are Capello and Hiddink. Two geriatric managers whose retirement should coincide nicely with Terry, Lampard's and Ashley Cole.

Everybody knows that the trophy Abramovich covets the most is the Champions League.He certainly won't be achieving his goal this year with this squad of players.They are not good enough and there are too many players in the team that couldn't give a shit.The quicker they go,the better.You could have Jesus Christ managing this lot and you still wouldn't win it.As an intelligent man,he's got to face that fact.For this reason,I watched the game last night quite relaxed.
Napoli showed what a good team they are going forward and,unusually for an italian team,quite direct,looking to get the ball to their front men as quickly as possible.Their achilles heel is undoubtedly their defence.
I blame John Terry for the revolving door of sacked managers and it's nothing to do with racist abuse charges or extra marital affairs.No,he missed the penalty that would have won the trophy against United.If that had gone in,the pressure would have been off.The fact that Chelsea and Arsenal are teetering on the edge of elimination at the knockout stage and,the supposed two best teams in the Premier League were dumped out at the group stage,shows how mediocre in quality the Premier League has become this season.
Incidentally,for those calling for Villas Boas's head to roll,how can a coach be responsible for the elementary mistakes and the appalling lack of concentration that an individual player makes while on the field of play? Why would a coach have to tell Raul Meireles that you don't turn your back on an opposing player with the ball but close him down?Why would Villas Boas have to tell David Luiz that you must concentrate at all times or you will be punished? That should come from within.

Somehow, to me at least, Chelsea's downward slope seems to be from the same time they dumped Ray Wilkins. Maybe I'm totally off the mark and giving him more credit than he deserves but it does seem coincidental.