Jonathan Fairfield

Koh Phangan hospital backtracks after pregnant English tourist is unable to pay medical bill

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they tried to skin her alive because she's a farang.   oh, the stupid farang have so much money, they won't even notice 3000 dollars.  i wonder if they would have charged a thai citizen the same amount. 

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Thailand is officially the Hub of Medical Tourism.

 

I am sure she got a smile when they gave her the bill.

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10 hours ago, z42 said:

Absolute thievery by some of the hospital brass foiled seemingly... Or am i missing something (itemised bill maybe)? And also a glaring example how travel insurance in a lot of instances is pretty worthless when it is actually needed. 

Glad to hear the girl will be getting home without any extra undue stress

 

" Absolute thievery by some of the hospital brass foiled seemingly "

 

And those of us who do pay our hospital bills will end up covering the losses the hospitals suffer due to uninsured patients . "Thievery" is taking something you haven't paid for.

 

Maybe those of you who are so sympathetic for those patients should volunteer to pay a 10% surcharge on your hospital bills to cover those who stiff the hospital.

 

Tourists should be required to have proper insurance coverage. 

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11 hours ago, Strange said:

 

Never, EVER, give up that passport. 

 

Single most important thing to a foreigner here in Thailand, second is bug-out cash and credit cards. They get you by the balls (or uterus).

 

Also its a real chickenshit maneuver/probably illegal to take someones only travel document and hold it hostage. Let alone its wasn't even an official person, just hospital people. Pretty pathetic on the hospital and infuriating just reading it. 

 

As for the rest of the topic, well, Full Moon Party, 3 months pregnant, no money..... 

 

i agree traveling with no back up funds is a silly thing to do. a credit card with a few thousand dollars available money is a great idea. i would gladly hand over a passport if i was in some medical strife. single most important thing is your or your kids life.

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Of course, The Hospital has no right, and no power to hold their passport. This is the property of the foreign governement. (Here British)
Hospital has to give up the charge as they break the law...and could have more problem.

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1 hour ago, Strange said:

 

I pay my bills, but if someone is trying to screw me, I'm gonna take care of #1, and thats myself. No loyalty to a scammer. 

Have you ever been scammed by hotel like this? I stay in dozens of hotels a year, and it's never happened to me once. On those rare occasions where there has been a 'discrepancy' (e.g., they say some item is missing from the fridge), the hotel has always accepted my (true) assertion that I took nothing. Also, every hotel I've stayed at has expected me to turn in the key(s) at check-in, so I'm not sure how you check-out then go back to room to collect your stuff. Of course, the hotels also want to do a room-check for missing items before you leave, so I don't understand how they freely allow you to go back to the room after your bill has been finalised ...   

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3 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

Tourists should be required to have proper insurance coverage. 

 

And Thailand should bill for nature of injury rather than ethnicity of patient.

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2 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

Tourists should be required to have proper insurance coverage. 


This would be "thievery". What about freedom ? Insurance are expensive, and has a lot of exception. They are the thieves! 
The whole thing could be much more simple : if a patient can't pay. just send the bill to the right embassy who will follow up to the tourist in their own country...
The girl is actually lucky that she's got admitted....because if you can't pay, they won't take care of you...not like in our (my) country where they MUST take care of you even if you can't pay. ( they don't check that before anyway and if you can'tt they will find a way : monthly payement, or in 2-3 times).
I remember the story of a man, in Thailand, who lost two fingers. He came to the hospital with his two fingers in a bag with ice. 
The doctors ask him which one he want back because he can't pay for both...
 

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11 hours ago, Strange said:

 

Never, EVER, give up that passport. 

 

Single most important thing to a foreigner here in Thailand, second is bug-out cash and credit cards. They get you by the balls (or uterus).

 

Also its a real chickenshit maneuver/probably illegal to take someones only travel document and hold it hostage. Let alone its wasn't even an official person, just hospital people. Pretty pathetic on the hospital and infuriating just reading it. 

 

As for the rest of the topic, well, Full Moon Party, 3 months pregnant, no money..... 

 

These are the kind of stories that everyone contemplating a trip to thailand needs to see...in the LOS, the smiles end when the money runs out...ruthless people actually.

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30 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

Which was the part that cost 100,000 baht? The Ultra-sound or the ferry to Samui? Perhaps it was the paracetamol?

Sure ... but I do find it 'interesting' that the photo in the article--if it's the genuine one from the woman--has been carefully taken/cropped so that the price breakdown is not shown. That would be important information to show to allows readers (us) to make an objective assessment of what happened...

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ID: 63   Posted (edited)

14 hours ago, Badbanker said:

It is very illegal for any person or agency, other than law enforcement to retain your passport and then only on the imposition of a criminal case against you.

 

Not paying a car rental, hotel or hospital bills is a civil matter and the damaged party must retain a lawyer to file a civil suit against the person that they have a bill with.

 

Yes, I know as in this case, hospitals and hotels try to retain your passport as surety, but an embassy can and does very regularly cancel an existing passport being held hostage, and issue you with a new one in a day.

 

The embassy will then call to the entity that is wrongfully in possession of the passport and ask for it to be returned to the embassy asap as it is the property of the issuing government.

 

Of course the person wrongfully retaining the passport who was short changed, is shocked but this is the law in Thailand!

 

Been there done that!!!!!

but an embassy can and does very regularly cancel an existing passport being held hostage, and issue you with a new one in a day.

 

The embassy will then call to the entity that is wrongfully in possession of the passport and ask for it to be returned to the embassy asap as it is the property of the issuing government.

 

All can!  Some do.  Many can't be bothered, or are too gutless or lazy.

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Not making excuses, but, I had to go to the hospital when I was living in England (a semester at college). I expected to pay my bill and I tried, and was told the national health care would take care of it. Maybe the lady was expecting that to be the case in Thailand. 

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Koh Pangan, full moon party and 3 months pregnancy is not a very good combo, to say the least.

 

And who the heck thinks that a standard medical insurance will cover pregnancy issues?

 

Totally irresponsible woman, as so many in the west nowadays not prepared to compromise their "freedom" for anything.

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ID: 67   Posted (edited)

There's not a lot that can be deduced from the small clip of the hospital bill other that Ultrasound and 1 night there. Maybe there isn't much else, and the hospital decided to 'write-off' their profit, having been handed the 20,000bht, just to show what a caring, humane organisation they are.

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7 hours ago, ParadiseLost said:

Most likely the hospital saw an insurance document, thought they hit the pot of gold, so gouged the hell out of her expecting an easy payday. Standard practice in the medical industry, no?

 

Once they realised the victim/patient had no cash and started making a noise they obviously decided better to make it go away. No point getting bad publicity.

 

One of the good things about social media.

exactly

 

out of the millions of people that come here on holiday how many are unfortunate to fall ill - very few

 

Thailand should be taking care of their visitors if they require basic emergency treatment free of charge - every hospital should be forced to give a certain basic level of service free and stop this ridiculous rip off nonsense

 

and very often if someone has a serious accident it is often because of the poor safety standards in the country as a whole - boating and road incidents accounting for the majority, charge everyone a surcharge when entering the country should cover all eventualities for everyone that chooses to come here for a holiday ----- oh wait

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11 hours ago, z42 said:

Absolute thievery by some of the hospital brass foiled seemingly... Or am i missing something (itemised bill maybe)? And also a glaring example how travel insurance in a lot of instances is pretty worthless when it is actually needed. 

Glad to hear the girl will be getting home without any extra undue stress

Obviously the hospital gave back the passport. 

Travel and private insurances are quite worthless when it comes to pre-existing conditions, and pregnancy seems to be a pre-existing condition in this case. Nothing to blame it on the girl. UK (embassy, maybe NHS) should pay the bill as they would have done at home. 

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I'm of two minds on this one:

 

  1. The girl would have known she was pregnant by the end of the first trimester. There's a possible judgment issue in going to a full moon party in that condition (though we can only guess at her behaviour there). A more critical judgement issue is burning through all your cash while on holiday--you never know what can happen. She was transferred to private hospital then transferred by boat to another hospital. I'm not clear how long she was under observation, but her symptoms seem serious for a pregnant woman (bleeding and fainting), so I can imagine she received pretty intensive attention in addition to an ultrasound.

    BUT
     
  2. It's quite possible that the hospital 'enhanced' her bill beyond what may have been significant costs for the above...

 

I'm not sure she could get off scott free on this one... needs to be a little bit of learning here

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1 minute ago, ParadiseLost said:

Some here need lessons in human reproduction; it is entirely possible the girl was not aware of the pregnancy. At 12 weeks there may be no signs at all.

 

BS. Ever heard of something called period?

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10 hours ago, BKKBrit said:

And no one looks at the fact that she's pregnant..hasn't bothered to read her insurance policy (which one think would be critically important when travelling pregnant)...heads off to a full moon party (<deleted>???).   The hospital, as far as I am concerned, is in the right to claim the fees for the care and service provided. I pity this woman's child if even before birth mum can be so irresponsible. 

The hospital has not acted correctly they have gouged the bill. I have had 2 children born in Thai private hospitals and the first had complications and the bill was half that and with more care by the looks of it. The reason they back tracked is because  not only were they fully aware their heavy handed tactics were illegal in taking her passport, but they new the bill was far to high, and once they have acted in this manner they lose and moral high ground.

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1 minute ago, ThailandLOS said:

 

BS. Ever heard of something called period?

Has every woman you have known had perfectly regular periods? It is common for some to skip a month, especially if physically active, or some meds.

 

Did you bother to read the link? Can you read? Have you lived with many women? :smile:

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One alternative not mentioned here, is that she could have been transferred to the Government Hospital in Nathon on arrival in Samui, then at least her bill would have been reasonable!  Samui Rescue would have helped if asked, I am sure!

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11 hours ago, Badbanker said:

It is very illegal for any person or agency, other than law enforcement to retain your passport and then only on the imposition of a criminal case against you.

 

Not paying a car rental, hotel or hospital bills is a civil matter and the damaged party must retain a lawyer to file a civil suit against the person that they have a bill with.

 

Yes, I know as in this case, hospitals and hotels try to retain your passport as surety, but an embassy can and does very regularly cancel an existing passport being held hostage, and issue you with a new one in a day.

 

The embassy will then call to the entity that is wrongfully in possession of the passport and ask for it to be returned to the embassy asap as it is the property of the issuing government.

 

Of course the person wrongfully retaining the passport who was short changed, is shocked but this is the law in Thailand!

 

Been there done that!!!!!

Absolutely correct .  It is a common misconception that the holder "owns" the passport. The issuing govt always owns it. Which is why it can never be confiscated or left as security.

Others can observe it and record details but not keep it.

If a Hire shop or hotel wants to keep it then always refuse. if someone refuses to return it including police report it stolen. Never pay police a bribe to get your passport back.

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