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Getting on a scooter, or a motorcycle anywhere in Thailand, much less Phuket or Samui without a very good helmet, is like playing Russian Roulette with three or four bullets in the chamber. It is absolutely asking for problems. The degree of recklessness here is astounding. And many foreigners come here thinking "how much trouble could I get in on a little scooter, on a tropical island"? Well, the answer is alot. The amount of foreigners who are killed on the Southern islands is staggering. Most are not reported in the media. I had a friend who worked for Samui rescue for many years, and said the numbers were about 30-60 a month, on Samui, Phangan and Koh Tao. The official number is about 3 a month. Rider beware. Use as good a helmet as you can afford, and do not use these eggshells pieces of crap. They crack at the first impact, and what lies underneath them? Your skull, which is very delicate. 
 
Just ask yourself- do I have enough problems already, without a broken skull, or smashed head, or face injury, or lost eye? I have two friends who have been in motorbike accidents on Samui within the last two years. One still cannot walk, or talk or function on her own, from a motorbike accident, where she hit her head on the pavement going only 20 kph. The other one has lost alot of his mental capacity after hitting his head. He insisted for years he would never wear a helmet. Now, he seems 15 years older. 
 
 
I was told by a very reliable source. He did not have an agenda. He rescued alot of the survivors. He attended to alot of the ones who did not make it. The press here is highly censored. The report only what the so called leaders want them to report. Nothing else. Social media? Why would social media report these statistics? They report individual accidents, but not overall statistics. Anything you read about accidents on Samui in the media would be false. 
 
 
  • Road deaths are now calculated based on fatalities on-site. Victims dying later in hospital not counted.
  • In 2000 there was an average of 30 deaths a month on Koh Samui (official figures released each month).
  • Now it is stated that Koh Samui has 3-5 deaths each month (using the new way of reporting road deaths).
  • In the last ten years the population has almost doubled and there are now 5x more vehicles on Koh Samui.
  • Based on ‘official figures’ today it is possible to estimate that Koh Samui currently has 60 deaths per million per year. (Compared to 23 in London.) Based on the population and traffic density statistics from 10 years ago Koh Samui has in reality 720 deaths per million per year. This is probably the highest rate of road deaths in the world. Samui is a fatality death spot that nobody is willing to acknowledge!

As I said, I don't believe your count.
Btw, victims dying in hospital later are included in the road fatalities, that it is different is an urban TVF myth.

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13 hours ago, Jeremy50 said:

Right, nobody does, just keep  shuffling mindlessly on.

The answer is in their own hands

After today there will be a few less shuffling on in any state

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On 2/5/2017 at 0:06 PM, stevenl said:


As I said, I don't believe your count.
Btw, victims dying in hospital later are included in the road fatalities, that it is different is an urban TVF myth.

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Getting on a scooter, or a motorcycle anywhere in Thailand, much less Phuket or Samui without a very good helmet, is like playing Russian Roulette with three or four bullets in the chamber. It is absolutely asking for problems. The degree of recklessness here is astounding. And many foreigners come here thinking "how much trouble could I get in on a little scooter, on a tropical island"? Well, the answer is alot. The amount of foreigners who are killed on the Southern islands is staggering. Most are not reported in the media. I had a friend who worked for Samui rescue for many years, and said the numbers were about 30-60 a month, on Samui, Phangan and Koh Tao. The official number is about 3 a month. Rider beware. Use as good a helmet as you can afford, and do not use these eggshells pieces of crap. They crack at the first impact, and what lies underneath them? Your skull, which is very delicate. 
 
Just ask yourself- do I have enough problems already, without a broken skull, or smashed head, or face injury, or lost eye? I have two friends who have been in motorbike accidents on Samui within the last two years. One still cannot walk, or talk or function on her own, from a motorbike accident, where she hit her head on the pavement going only 20 kph. The other one has lost alot of his mental capacity after hitting his head. He insisted for years he would never wear a helmet. Now, he seems 15 years older. 
 
 
I was told by a very reliable source. He did not have an agenda. He rescued alot of the survivors. He attended to alot of the ones who did not make it. The press here is highly censored. The report only what the so called leaders want them to report. Nothing else. Social media? Why would social media report these statistics? They report individual accidents, but not overall statistics. Anything you read about accidents on Samui in the media would be false. 
 
  

  • Road deaths are now calculated based on fatalities on-site. Victims dying later in hospital not counted. 
  • In 2000 there was an average of 30 deaths a month on Koh Samui (official figures released each month). 
  • Now it is stated that Koh Samui has 3-5 deaths each month (using the new way of reporting road deaths). 
  • In the last ten years the population has almost doubled and there are now 5x more vehicles on Koh Samui. 
  • Based on ‘official figures’ today it is possible to estimate that Koh Samui currently has 60 deaths per million per year. (Compared to 23 in London.) Based on the population and traffic density statistics from 10 years ago Koh Samui has in reality 720 deaths per million per year. This is probably the highest rate of road deaths in the world. Samui is a fatality death spot that nobody is willing to acknowledge!

 

 

Well, few believed in gravity before Newton put forth his theories. Even afterwards, many though him a nut job. Few believed in distant solar systems and galaxies prior to Galileo. Few thought healing was possible with medicines, prior to Pasteur. Believing or not believing has absolutely no bearing on the reality that exists on the ground in Thailand, and on the southern islands, when it comes to the horrific safety record, and the traffic fatalities. 

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Getting on a scooter, or a motorcycle anywhere in Thailand, much less Phuket or Samui without a very good helmet, is like playing Russian Roulette with three or four bullets in the chamber. It is absolutely asking for problems. The degree of recklessness here is astounding. And many foreigners come here thinking "how much trouble could I get in on a little scooter, on a tropical island"? Well, the answer is alot. The amount of foreigners who are killed on the Southern islands is staggering. Most are not reported in the media. I had a friend who worked for Samui rescue for many years, and said the numbers were about 30-60 a month, on Samui, Phangan and Koh Tao. The official number is about 3 a month. Rider beware. Use as good a helmet as you can afford, and do not use these eggshells pieces of crap. They crack at the first impact, and what lies underneath them? Your skull, which is very delicate. 
 
Just ask yourself- do I have enough problems already, without a broken skull, or smashed head, or face injury, or lost eye? I have two friends who have been in motorbike accidents on Samui within the last two years. One still cannot walk, or talk or function on her own, from a motorbike accident, where she hit her head on the pavement going only 20 kph. The other one has lost alot of his mental capacity after hitting his head. He insisted for years he would never wear a helmet. Now, he seems 15 years older. 
 
 
I was told by a very reliable source. He did not have an agenda. He rescued alot of the survivors. He attended to alot of the ones who did not make it. The press here is highly censored. The report only what the so called leaders want them to report. Nothing else. Social media? Why would social media report these statistics? They report individual accidents, but not overall statistics. Anything you read about accidents on Samui in the media would be false. 
 
  
  • Road deaths are now calculated based on fatalities on-site. Victims dying later in hospital not counted. 
  • In 2000 there was an average of 30 deaths a month on Koh Samui (official figures released each month). 
  • Now it is stated that Koh Samui has 3-5 deaths each month (using the new way of reporting road deaths). 
  • In the last ten years the population has almost doubled and there are now 5x more vehicles on Koh Samui. 
  • Based on ‘official figures’ today it is possible to estimate that Koh Samui currently has 60 deaths per million per year. (Compared to 23 in London.) Based on the population and traffic density statistics from 10 years ago Koh Samui has in reality 720 deaths per million per year. This is probably the highest rate of road deaths in the world. Samui is a fatality death spot that nobody is willing to acknowledge!
 
 
Well, few believed in gravity before Newton put forth his theories. Even afterwards, many though him a nut job. Few believed in distant solar systems and galaxies prior to Galileo. Few thought healing was possible with medicines, prior to Pasteur. Believing or not believing has absolutely no bearing on the reality that exists on the ground in Thailand, and on the southern islands, when it comes to the horrific safety record, and the traffic fatalities. 

You keep repeating the same posts over and over. I still don't believe your numbers.

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On 2/5/2017 at 7:06 AM, stevenl said:


Sorry, don't believe that. It would be impossible these days to keep those numbers out of the press and social media if they were true.

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Not true. Do you have any idea how censored the press is here? They report hardly anything, that the authorities do not want them to report. No independence whatsoever.

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Not true. Do you have any idea how censored the press is here? They report hardly anything, that the authorities do not want them to report. No independence whatsoever.

I think you missed the word 'social'.

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Thailand really needs to have minimum safety requirements for motorcycle helmets. It is time to do this. It is in the best interests of the people. I understand that this can be cost prohibitive for poor people. A low, or no interest loan scheme. Would help resolve this issue. Similar to what was done to help first time car buyers. Insurance companies should also have a insurance discount, for people, who buy the helmets.

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On 2/3/2017 at 7:01 PM, nakhonandy said:

Probably the usual rental eggshell helmet.

 

 

and maybe   not  done  up, that  it  makes  any   difference  anyway

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On 18/02/2017 at 7:48 AM, philliphn said:

Thailand really needs to have minimum safety requirements for motorcycle helmets. It is time to do this. It is in the best interests of the people. I understand that this can be cost prohibitive for poor people. A low, or no interest loan scheme. Would help resolve this issue. Similar to what was done to help first time car buyers. Insurance companies should also have a insurance discount, for people, who buy the helmets.

 

There is no cure for stupidity. If people want to die riding a motorcycle without helmet, you got to let them.

 

 

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There is no cure for stupidity. If people want to die riding a motorcycle without helmet, you got to let them.
 
 

A country has to protect its citizens, also against themselves.

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17 minutes ago, stevenl said:


A country has to protect its citizens, also against themselves.

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Noble thought, but not their responsibility.

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Still 1000's of tourists and expats are wearing 200 baht Big C helmets and couldn't care less, well this is the result.    

How hard is it to offer helmets that WILL protect you? 3-4000 baht helmets should at least be offered to tourists who think they are fine with the helmet offered by the rental company .  

Expats , well they are living their dream in Thailand so they can just continue until the end will hit them like a pole. 

 

 

 

 

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Noble thought, but not their responsibility.

Disagree, that is the reason why nearly all countries require helmets on mopeds and motorbikes.

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On 3/02/2017 at 7:13 PM, the guest said:

Remember, Thailand has the 2nd most dangerous roads in the world.

Why blame the roads?  Let's spell it out:  Thailand is in second place as far as having the world's WORST DRIVERS is concerned! 

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On 2/22/2017 at 8:53 PM, stevenl said:


A country has to protect its citizens, also against themselves.

On 2/22/2017 at 9:11 PM, Bassosa said:

Noble thought, but not their responsibility.

On 2/23/2017 at 5:52 AM, stevenl said:


Disagree, that is the reason why nearly all countries require helmets on mopeds and motorbikes.
 

Interesting issue, I think you both are right. I believe any (adult) should be able to choose how much risk they want to take. It's the same with smoking or other unhealthy behaviours. One reason why a government wants to stop that, apart from ethics and human compassion, is that it has a cost on society in terms of medical bills.

 

But please let's not illude ourselves with cost of helmets being the reason (some other posts). First, anyone who can afford a motorbike and the fuel to run it, can afford a decent helmet which will last a dozen years. Second, you can plainly see that many have helmets on their scooters, just not on their heads. Ready to put it on if they see a police block, but otherwise they cannot be bothered to have it mess their hair or their looks. Same with sunglasses, how many times we see people driving with one hand only and the other covering their eyes.

 

And it's not only Thais. I know farangs with tens of millions invested here, who refuse to wear a helmet as if it was an insult, and who laugh at the 200Baht occasional fine. I have also seen tourists rent a motorbike, and when the shop owner hands them the helmets, say "do I really have to wear it?"

 

I would suggest that if you are in an accident without helmet (or the helmet comes off because it's not latched), all medical costs are on you. It's the same in Europe e.g. with seatbelts. Then just do as you please.

 

 

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If you ride a motorbike and don't wear a helmet your stupid, it's been proven they save lives, argue as much against as you like but it just so obviously dumb not to wear one.

I see plenty of Western and Thai parents taking their kids to school with no helmet on, morons are setting a great example aren't they!

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