webfact

German couple killed on motorcycle at Cha-Am U-turn

65 posts in this topic

Is it possible that the German guy had a lapse in concentration, thinking he was back in Germany ?

He may have been Looking right to see if there was any traffic coming and seeing nothing pulls out in front of the Honda coming from his left.

I did this sort of mistake when changing from UK driving on the left side to driving in France on the right side (first day ever in France).

I was able to avoid a head on collision by driving onto the median strip. I took more care after that scare!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 hours ago, ocddave said:

U-Turns aren't the problem, the design of the U-Turns is though, they should have a lane that is blocked to traffic flowing, but allows the driver to make the U-Turn and then safely merge back with the flow of traffic. I know they have some of these here already, they should continue that design, and remove the dangerous ones.

Right! It might help a little bit. Unfortunately people that drive hear believe it´s ok to, or just make a u-turn, at any possible place for it. So the carnage would still go on. The real problem here is that the Thai population does not have any proper education regarding getting a driver license, and many of the people coming here is driving different veicles without a driver license.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 2/16/2017 at 9:33 AM, xerostar said:

Is it possible that the German guy had a lapse in concentration, thinking he was back in Germany ?

He may have been Looking right to see if there was any traffic coming and seeing nothing pulls out in front of the Honda coming from his left.

I did this sort of mistake when changing from UK driving on the left side to driving in France on the right side (first day ever in France).

I was able to avoid a head on collision by driving onto the median strip. I took more care after that scare!

I have watched the video and this happened before he mad the u-turn. He moved from the left/inner lane to the right without looking. So he was hit by the car from behind and right side. He should have looked right...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Isaanben said:

I have watched the video and this happened before he mad the u-turn. He moved from the left/inner lane to the right without looking. So he was hit by the car from behind and right side. He should have looked right...

Yeah, cutting across multiple lanes of traffic at the last second, especially on motorcycle is a REALLY bad idea. He should have kept going and taken the next U-Turn and made sure he was in correct lane long before he gets to the U-Turn. This is one of my biggest pet peeves here, people waiting until the last second to move over into the correct lane for their next turn, or lane shift. Waiting until the last second, then trying to jam your vehicle into the traffic lane with others, does nothing but create traffic jams and possibly an accident. The cops should sit in these locations, and hand out tickets left an right until they quit this moronic behavior, maybe make use of one of those traffic cameras they been boasting about that hands out tickets in the mail.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A few months ago there was an alternative U-turn installed just a few hundred meters from

where this accident happened.It passes under the road and we use it daily,a lot safer and it also saves time.

Not easy to see but the locals are catching on.Maybe there should be more signs for this U-turn,it could have saved two lives?

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 15/2/2560 at 7:01 AM, Get Real said:

The question is how many 74 year olds that are driving a motorcycle in their home country, and how many of those that are out on the big roads making a u-turn.
I am not blaming anybody, and off course it´s another very sad story with a bad outcome. The thing is though, that people seem to believe that they are invincible when they choose to go to or stay in Thailand.

This is a good point. I live in the southern part of Prachuab Khirikhan province, and the area is popular with Swedish holiday makers. Many of them rent motorcycles, but I wonder how many are experienced riders. It is common to see a tourist approach a junction, look left and then start to move out into the road before looking right. I drive much more carefully when I see a foreigner on a motorbike.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Momentary lapse from the old boy unfortunately, after seeing the video. I know this road well and always feared speeding traffic coming up behind me, much quicker than you could ever guage from a quick look in the mirror. 

I used to pull the bike in and only cross when I had clear sight of safe passage. Made me feel slightly inadequate doing it this way but at least I'm still here to tell the tale. Better safe than sorry.

 

R.I.P. to the German couple 

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I also watched the video , they are both to blame.

 

The German rider must have been thinking he was back in Germany and just turned into the road slowly trying to cross it without even look for cars behind him.  The Thai driver was probably speeding around 100-110 km/h , still he had time to spot the motorbike and just hit the brakes a couple of seconds before they hit them, but in Thailand this happens quite often .

It's always the responsibility of the rider of the motobike to look for speeding cars and trucks .  

 

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

ID: 60   Posted (edited)

Just watched the video, this is totally on the motorcycle rider, no doubt about it, he tried to cross 3 lanes of traffic to do a U-Turn, no blinkers, and not even looking at traffic coming up behind him. If I was the Thai driver I wouldn't have expecting him to make that move either, you would think he was pulling into the second lane before he would then make another move to a third lane only after checking traffic. The motorcycle driver made one of the worst, and arguably stupidest decisions I have ever seen anyone make on a motorcycle, it had death wish written all over it. If this guy held a license to drive a motorcycle, I would be completely surprised, no one in their right mind would attempt this maneuver. 

Edited by ocddave

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 hours ago, balo said:

I also watched the video , they are both to blame.

 

The German rider must have been thinking he was back in Germany and just turned into the road slowly trying to cross it without even look for cars behind him.  The Thai driver was probably speeding around 100-110 km/h , still he had time to spot the motorbike and just hit the brakes a couple of seconds before they hit them, but in Thailand this happens quite often .

It's always the responsibility of the rider of the motobike to look for speeding cars and trucks . 

I'm not sure if the outcome would have been different if the car was driving at 90 Kph instead of 110.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Teach them how to use it?  Good luck with that.

 

just a few more bits and you are spot on with your comment  Fookhaht

 

teach them manners, respect to giveway how to read (Signs) what a brake pedal is for, BIB to do some traffic work This could go on all day so lets leave it there

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

Put it down to inexperience, sad but true.

 

When someone is being taught to ride a motorbike in the UK, there is one golden rule that is driven into everyones tiny brain. It's called the "Life Saver". Automatic fail on the Advanced Drivers (IAMS) test if not carried out.

http://begin-motorcycling.co.uk/the-5-elements-of-cbt/element-c/indicating-observation-osmpsl/

 

It is taught at the very beginning of motorcycle training on the Compulsory Basic Training course (CBT) and is the foundation of the course. I know he was German but probably very inexperienced, much like that Australian lady who was badly hurt.
 

If only people would take their brains on holiday with them it would save a lot of lives.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 15/02/2017 at 10:24 AM, 01322521959 said:

Why not get rid of these u turns. Put something called roundabouts in and teach the Thais how to use them! Christ! Why don't the authorities look at my home country, the UK. You don't have all these dangerous u turns all over the place.


Sent from my i-mobile_i-STYLE_219 using Thaivisa Connect mobile app
 

I think in general, the road lay-out is modeled on the N. American system and the idea that the 'through' traffic must always have priority.  Lots of roundabouts and traffic lights just slow things down but they (the Thais) forgot that Thailand is only a small country and millions of people in it travel by motorbike, innit!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, piersbeckett said:

I think in general, the road lay-out is modeled on the N. American system and the idea that the 'through' traffic must always have priority.  Lots of roundabouts and traffic lights just slow things down but they (the Thais) forgot that Thailand is only a small country and millions of people in it travel by motorbike, innit!

You do of course mean European and not N.American.

 

America has had very little influence in the development of Thailand pre Vietnam War days.

 

Driving on the left and priority to through traffic was always the rule until Napolean (who was left handed) changed the French and Henry Ford got confused and put the steering wheel on the left.

 

Historically, People rode horses on the left as their sword hand was the right one and the right eye was stronger.

 

In this case, Left is right so to speak......555

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

BANGKOK 24 March 2017 07:01
Sponsors