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Top U.S. prosecutor says he is fired by Trump administration

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10 minutes ago, WaywardWind said:

My information is historically correct, and yours is not. You did what so many others have done here: visit one of the right wing websites and then post here as fact what you get from there.

 

When researching a topic, you need to look well beyond Breitbart, Infowars, Townhall, etc. - those sites exist to post inflammatory rhetoric and conspiracy theories with almost no regard for the truth. Dig deeper if you want accuracy.

 

Transitions always involve replacement of the US Attorneys, but it is almost always done in an orderly fashion to ensure that ongoing investigations and cases are not disrupted. Outgoing attorneys then have the opportunity to being their successors up to speed on the activities of that office.

 

What Trump and Sessions did was exactly the opposite, perhaps intentionally so, given the number of investigations which are focusing on members of the Trump administration.

I never said you were wrong. I didn't visit a right wing website. Actually I have never been on any of the sites you mention above, ever.  I never said it was correct to terminate those who didn't resign. You don't know what I did or did not do.  I understand transfer of power and cooperation. You're assuming an awful lot with your personal opinion of me, and lumping me in with every one who gets all of their information from inflammatory sites.  Have a nice day.

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13 minutes ago, Ramen087 said:

I never said you were wrong. I didn't visit a right wing website. Actually I have never been on any of the sites you mention above, ever.  I never said it was correct to terminate those who didn't resign. You don't know what I did or did not do.  I understand transfer of power and cooperation. You're assuming an awful lot with your personal opinion of me, and lumping me in with every one who gets all of their information from inflammatory sites.  Have a nice day.

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Actually, that is not true.  On his first day in office, Bill Clinton fired 95 of 96 US Attorneys, and started replacing them with his own appointments.  A number of the positions took months to be filled.

 

That information is not accurate, and is virtually identical to that which is posted on the sites I later referenced.  Must be pure coincidence that you and the authors of those sites came up with the same information independently.

 

Beyond that, your information is completely wrong: no US attorneys were fired on the first day of Clinton's presidency. Two months after his inauguration, his newly appointed Attorney General asked for the resignations of the then serving US Attorneys, in accord with historical practices. None were immediately removed, all stayed in office until their successors were nominated and approved by the Senate, and some were kept on and served under the Clinton administration.

 

Very, very different than the actions of Trump and Sessions, and of your portrayal of historical precedent here.

 

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1 hour ago, Ramen087 said:

The post in italics you are referring to is post thirty nine (39). That post was made by a member with the handle landslide, not by me.  Dude, you are <deleted> killing me. Get a grip, please.

Deleting double post

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ID: 56   Posted (edited)

1 hour ago, Ramen087 said:

The post in italics you are referring to is post thirty nine (39). That post was made by a member with the handle landslide, not by me.  Dude, you are <deleted> killing me. Get a grip, please.

My bad for not checking that you were the original poster.  The majority of my comments apply to his post.

 

However, to respond to your queries, all US Attorneys are presidential appointees and well aware that their tenure will likely end with a new administration.  They are also aware that it is their responsibility to ensure a smooth transition with their successors, something which Trump's actions has prevented.  While it is true that the US Attorney in a given office is not likely to be involved in the day to day handling of an investigation (Assistant US Attorneys and FBI agents generally handle those matters) there are matters which because of their sensitivity the US Attorney does not share with his or her subordinates. Those matters would be shared with a successor US Attorney but in the present situation that will not happen.

 

The US Attorney's offices will continue to function irrespective of the firings, but valuable insights and information will be lost.

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2 minutes ago, WaywardWind said:

My bad for not checking that you were the original poster.  The majority of my comments apply to his post.

 

However, to respond to your queries, all US Attorneys are presidential appointees and well aware that their tenure will likely end with a new administration.  They are also aware that it is their responsibility to ensure a smooth transition with their successors, something which Trump's actions has prevented.  While it is true that the US Attorney in a given office is not likely to be involved in the day to day handling of an investigation (Assistant US Attorneys and FBI agents generally handle those matters) there are matters which because of their sensitivity the Us Attorney does not share with his or her subordinates. Those matters would be shared with a successor US Attorney but in the present situation that will not happen.

 

The US Attorney's offices will continue to function irrespective of the firings, but valuable insights and information will be lost.

Thanks. Have a nice day and check the link regarding Preet's likely successor in post number 54. I still consider this office a special case because the high profile cases, especially in light of the conviction and jail time for financial / white collar crimes seem to be something the general populace deems long overdue.. Should be interesting.

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15 hours ago, Ramen087 said:

Sorry but if you're inferring that conclusion into my posts you're even more biased about the current us president than I have thought. You need a new hobby if you're paying that much attention to my posts.

It is clearly time to take a break from your obsession with hating Mr./Pres. Trump. Stalin killed between sixteen and twenty four million people according to many reliable historical estimates.... and you equate sixty two million people in the USA who voted Trump/Pence as being supporters as Stalinists?

You draw the wildest and weirdest analogies and subsequent conclusions I have ever read. 

Bye.

 

I was not inferring anything. Quote where I was inferring what you say.

I don't need any new hobbies.

Are you are referring to a post where another member called them stalinists, you objected and I said why the objection? Why not quote the post? What are Trump supporters when they support a man who is in collaboration with the Russians. All those conservative values and ideals have been thrown down the toilet. I will not take a break from hating "Mr /Pres Trump" as I do hate him and everything he stands for. In their blind hatred for one person many in the US voted for a TV reality star joke, who has NPD and is one of the least qualified people ever to occupy the white house - Ever! So you can love him, and I and 70 million others can hate him. First amendment , Ciao.

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1 hour ago, Andaman Al said:

What are Trump supporters when they support a man who is in collaboration with the Russians

If not Stalinist, then Leninist which was the forefather of Stalinist.

Trump chief strategist Bannon described himself as “Leninist” to the writer and historian Ronald Radosh. Radosh recalled that Bannon had said to him, “Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal, too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/steve-bannons-war-on-the-press

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2 hours ago, Srikcir said:

If not Stalinist, then Leninist which was the forefather of Stalinist.

Trump chief strategist Bannon described himself as “Leninist” to the writer and historian Ronald Radosh. Radosh recalled that Bannon had said to him, “Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal, too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/steve-bannons-war-on-the-press

And that is the man who is chief political strategist to Trump! And all the Trump supporter suckers seem to accept it. Sad!

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19 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

What are Trump supporters when they support a man who is in collaboration with the Russians

The only place this collaboration seems to be taking place is in your mind. Please share proof of this cooperative event that has taken place.

 

Ps. Mods, if the quoted comment and my query Re deemed  too far off topic and you ... well, you know

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13 hours ago, Ramen087 said:

 

The only place this collaboration seems to be taking place is in your mind. Please share proof of this cooperative event that has taken place.

 

Ps. Mods, if the quoted comment and my query Re deemed  too far off topic and you ... well, you know

Wasn't it Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State, who approved the sale of 20% of the US uranium production to the Russians?  

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Trump fires the best people, and hires the worst.  I'm trying to think of one good quality possessed by Trump.  He doesn't drink alcohol?   Well, maybe, but he does peddle the stuff.

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17 minutes ago, landslide said:

Wasn't it Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State, who approved the sale of 20% of the US uranium production to the Russians?  

No it was not.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

 

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2017/feb/16/donald-trump-repeats-his-mostly-false-claim-about-/

 

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/02/factchecking-trumps-news-conference/

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28 minutes ago, landslide said:

smoking gun not. not even close. Clinton was only one of nine people to approve and ultimately the power rested with the president who actually is the only person who could nix the deal.

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9 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

smoking gun not. not even close. Clinton was only one of nine people to approve and ultimately the power rested with the president who actually is the only person who could nix the deal.

Agreed.  But it does look dodgy with those big contributions.  That NY Times article is an interesting read.  But like Snopes said, no evidence HRC did anything out of the ordinary with regards to the deal.  Still, potentially dodgy.

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2 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Agreed.  But it does look dodgy with those big contributions.  That NY Times article is an interesting read.  But like Snopes said, no evidence HRC did anything out of the ordinary with regards to the deal.  Still, potentially dodgy.

Exactly.  No smoking gun.  Works well in the courts.  But outside the courts system, there's enough there to sway opinion.  Happens to politicians all the time.

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