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"Many foreign victims expected" as two beefy extortionists arrested in Chiang Mai set-up

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6 hours ago, sandrew33 said:

So, in such circumstances, you are condoning - right? 

 

If he owes money under some sort of contact then the correct approach is to seek to collect it my legal means. 

 

Sending 2 big bastards to threaten to kill his family is extortion. There's no "...well..." about it. 

At the legal interest rates no one but a bank would loan money.

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7 hours ago, worgeordie said:

There's a woman who lives in our Mooban,she has Farang husband,covered

in tatts,seems to spent most of his time in Bangkok,anyway,she told the guard

if big men on motorbikes come asking about me,say nothing,she seems very paranoid

calling the guard 2-3 times a night saying she hears noises outside the house.

Maybe coincidence,who knows,but if she finds this out I am sure she will sleep lot better. 

 

regards Worgeordie

In your Mooban Hmmm, a bit close to home for you

Husband covered in tatts, what does that mean Hmmm, apart from he is covered in Tatts

Him spending most of his time in Bangkok makes you wonder

Do you have nett curtains up your windows

As you appear to be on first name terms with the guard, why dont you tell him then he can tell her the good news as they seem to be in regular contact

I think this would be your safest option as far as her old man is concerned

Then she could as you say sleep better at night, plus the guard could also get his head down

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If you know the real names of these guys , try a google search , there could be a past criminal record on them . They do not look like your average tourist . 

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ID: 79   Posted (edited)

Well...I see it this way

The "Said to be" debt collectors can always get a legal writ from the person who is owed the money stating that they are there to collect the debt on behalf or the person or company owed the money.

They can also go to the police and inform them they are going to attempt to collect the debt on behalf of the person owed the money and serve legal notice and verification  of their purpose and their intent.

They can also get a Judge to verify that they can legally collect the money on behalf of the person owned the money.

They can do it legally in several ways including showing up with a Thai registered debt collector so there is no misunderstanding about why they are there and all done legally.

 

If the man supposedly owing the money complains then at least the debt collectors attempted to collect the debt owed in a proper legal manner.

 

Extortion of money or under threat to do bodily harm if said debt is not paid is another matter and yet to be proven....but lets wait and see.

 

Cheers 

 

 

Edited by gemguy

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ID: 80   Posted (edited)

 both suspects Adrian (Ad van Gool on FB) , are members of the same motorcycle gang , Gremium MC, a German outlaw club with a criminal history  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremium_Motorcycle_Club

 

 

Edited by balo

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ID: 81   Posted (edited)

1 hour ago, oldlakey said:

In your Mooban Hmmm, a bit close to home for you

Husband covered in tatts, what does that mean Hmmm, apart from he is covered in Tatts

Him spending most of his time in Bangkok makes you wonder

Do you have nett curtains up your windows

As you appear to be on first name terms with the guard, why dont you tell him then he can tell her the good news as they seem to be in regular contact

I think this would be your safest option as far as her old man is concerned

Then she could as you say sleep better at night, plus the guard could also get his head down

Do you have a problem Hmmmm. just looked at your past posts, yes you do need help.  Hmmm

regards worgeordie

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5 hours ago, digger70 said:

I say If you owe money make sure that you owe it to a bank not loansharks or mafia lenders ,you could end up dead.say no more!

The banks and legit money lending companies do not lend money out to anyone willy nilly. Loan applicants have to prove they have means to pay back the loans. This is why people that cannot qualify for legit loans decide to join the fat bastards club. Thai people especially frequently go to loans sharks when they are in desperate need of cash. Many do fall foul of the heavy mob when they fail to pay back the loans. But when people are desperate they only think of getting out their present predicaments and don`t worry about what consequences may occur later on. It`s like selling the soul to the devil and it`s these desperate people that the loan sharks prey on and what keeps them in business.

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7 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Do you have a problem Hmmmm. just looked at your past posts, yes you do need help.  Hmmm

regards worgeordie

Hmmm, more time on your hands than I thought

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if you get yourself in a position that you have to go to a money leader its your own fault as you can see the writing on the wall before you get to that stage. dont borrow money if you cant pay it back. people who do deserve what they get.

Does that apply to their families & kids?


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13 hours ago, BaldRichard said:

The real name is translated a lot better on some Thai sites and quite easy to work out.  First name reported in OP is correct as in Leonard (so also Leo or Len).  It is also being reported thathe mention to Paul as a general whinge that he was owed a debt from a business investment in a restaurant in CM to the extent that he believed he had been dudded by his business partner.  Then we have the grey area where Paul says he was tasked with collecting, while Len says it was just a whinge to a fellow Oz and evidenced that by showing that he had reported the initial business dispute to the Police a few weeks later.  Then alleged that Paul fronts up and says that he and Ad are out of pocket from attempting to collect on disputed business dealing between Len and partner.

 

Anyhow all have been here ten years plus and certainly Len and Ad have wife and kids here, so somewhat sorry for them.  Seeing that you an drive unlicensed of a bridge and kill 9 in Bangkok, and drive into cyclists here in CM and klll and still not be troubled by imprisonment, and that surely a decade in CM had taight them something whether there are prospects for this to go away....after all, it's just about money :smile:  or is this going to go all the way as bad Farangs under the "good guys in, bad guy out" campaign.

 

Or, as so often,  we never hear any more about it again.........until the next arrests

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1 hour ago, oldlakey said:

Hmmm, more time on your hands than I thought

Yes, retired so plenty time,..you think,Hmmm.

regards Worgeordie

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12 hours ago, Hutch68 said:

They would not get past the front gate never mind knocking on the door.

and why would that be??????????

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17 hours ago, robblok said:

Legal means don't always work you can be 100% legal and right but people can still refuse to pay and ignore the courts. There are quite a few people that work like that getting in debt and failing to pay while living the high life. 

Donald Trump??

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1 minute ago, Hutch68 said:

It's very narrow.

:cheesy:

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It's stunning how many imbeciles have weighed in with opinions here, yet we have very few facts in this case.  All we know for sure is what the 2 men are accused of.  We've heard nothing really of their side of the story except that they were collecting debts.  We do know their appearance, and it's not pretty.  But that alone is insufficient to convict a person(s).  

 

Anyone who has lived in Thailand for any length of time knows how many deadbeat farangs live here.  These are people who live on the edge of financial solvency, haven't a dime to spare ever, and borrow money at every opportunity because of their own incompetence and inability to forage and provide for themselves.  Often they fail or downright refuse to pay legitimate debts, and most times just dodge the person who was gracious enough to loan money.  If this was the case, I don't pity the "victim" at all, and I don't give a dam if he was threatened.  Failure to pay a legitimate debt, in my book, makes you a thief, and thieves are as low as it gets.  

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On 3/17/2017 at 10:01 AM, webfact said:

They are confident that there are other "foreign mafia figures" behind these two arrests.

Behind the arrests? I thought the RTP had managed that all by themselves. Presumably, they are referring to the actual extortion. Heaven forbid it should involve Thais.

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I'd prefer a photo without the grinning extras.

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4 hours ago, cromagnon said:

It's stunning how many imbeciles have weighed in with opinions here, yet we have very few facts in this case.  All we know for sure is what the 2 men are accused of.  We've heard nothing really of their side of the story except that they were collecting debts.  We do know their appearance, and it's not pretty.  But that alone is insufficient to convict a person(s).  

 

Anyone who has lived in Thailand for any length of time knows how many deadbeat farangs live here.  These are people who live on the edge of financial solvency, haven't a dime to spare ever, and borrow money at every opportunity because of their own incompetence and inability to forage and provide for themselves.  Often they fail or downright refuse to pay legitimate debts, and most times just dodge the person who was gracious enough to loan money.  If this was the case, I don't pity the "victim" at all, and I don't give a dam if he was threatened.  Failure to pay a legitimate debt, in my book, makes you a thief, and thieves are as low as it gets.  

YOUR SPOT ON IN THIS CASE 

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I wonder if their job description on their work permits says "Thug"?

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On 3/17/2017 at 3:55 PM, malibukid said:

too much white trash here in CM

All over Thailand and from all ages.   

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8 minutes ago, Petchou said:

All over Thailand and from all ages.

 

Sure , but there seem to be more of them in Pattaya and Chiang Mai. They can continue a "western" lifestyle and still do their "business". 

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