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[baz69er]

Thanks for your advise, im planning on taking a months TEFL course at the end of the year in thailand, so i'll probably mention it before i part with my cash....
Cheers
Baz

[AJmatt]

Im an English guy been living in Thailand for over two years I want to organise a criminal record certificate

I have been teaching aat the same school for over a year I want it in case I move schools in the future..

Who can advice me how to get one?

Thanks

[Ijustwannateach]

It seems that it is now time to resurrect our Police Checks thread and merge this one with it.

[PeaceBlondie]

To the bloke what's still in the UK, bell the cop shop and ask the constable about the statute of limitations on your criminal record and see if he can change it.

AJmatt, I can only suggest you go through this terribly long thread and take notes that you think apply to you.  You could cut and paste the pertinent remarks onto a Word document.  Note the contradictions and the lack of consistency.  Nobody really knows; it depends.  Besides, if you get a clearance now, it may be too old when you need to use it.

[wildgoat]

Hey I am a teacher worked in Thailand from Aug 2002 to Jan 2007, and obtained Pollice clearance Certificate in last November(2006) to apply for New Zealand immigration for my visa and subsequently and and I reached New Zealand.  
Now I am trying to register in New Zealand teaching council and they are asking me to produce a Police Clearance Certificate.  Please let me know as to how to proceed.  i gave my finger prints and certificates etc at that time in november 2007.  I just need a copy of the Pcc from the records of Royal Thai Police.  
Earlier I sent a couple of mails to Roal Thai Police regarding this and there was no repply, please advise me.  my name is

[PeaceBlondie]

baz69er, on 2007-08-05 17:56:43, said:

Hi,
    I have a minor shoplifting offence that happened over 20 years ago, paid a small fine etc, do you think this will go against me getting a teachers job or visas etc in thailand.......
Thanks
Barry

Barry, I hope you're still reading.  Nobody knows.  It depends first of all how minor your offence was considered by the record keepers in that country, and whether they have a statute of limitations on old minor offences.  I would suggest you try to get a record of your police clearance and see what it says.  If it's still on there, it will look bad.  But 20 years is a long time, and if you've had responsible positions since then, it may be insignificant.

[Ijustwannateach]

As we've frequently discussed in the main police clearance paperwork thread, nobody knows the answers to many of these questions, and if you find out please help us out by posting them.

[markg]

PeaceBlondie, on 2007-08-19 16:42:45, said:

baz69er, on 2007-08-05 17:56:43, said:

Hi,
    I have a minor shoplifting offence that happened over 20 years ago, paid a small fine etc, do you think this will go against me getting a teachers job or visas etc in thailand.......
Thanks
Barry

Barry, I hope you're still reading.  Nobody knows.  It depends first of all how minor your offence was considered by the record keepers in that country, and whether they have a statute of limitations on old minor offences.  I would suggest you try to get a record of your police clearance and see what it says.  If it's still on there, it will look bad.  But 20 years is a long time, and if you've had responsible positions since then, it may be insignificant.

If you are from the UK then a minor shop lifting offence 20 years ago will not show up on the Subject Access Check (the 10 pound police check) as it is considered 'spent' under the rehabilitation of offenders act 1974.
As a side note, it would probably show up on the enhanced CRB check that you would have to undergo if you were applying for a job working with kids BACK IN THE UK. But that's not the kinda check you need for getting a visa/work permit to be a teacher here in Thailand.

Some of our teachers have recently returned from Penang with their Type B visas. The Thai consulate there wrote in their passports that their police records have NOT been checked - even though 2 out of the 3 teachers DID have their police checks with them AND handed them in.
We are now waiting to see if the remark in the passport will cause immigration to ask for their police checks when they come to extend their visas. (Neither labour nor education asked for the checks - so we only have one more hurdle to cross - La Migra - which we will do this week)

[foolforlove]

When it appeared that my current non-b would expire before i could get the WP, i was planning to go to get another non-b at the  thai consulate in penang.   i was told to bring a police clearance with me to facilitate getting the non-b.

i went to the offices opposite paragon in bkk.

as for the accuracy of the pickup date of the certificate, i went on the appointed day and was told it wasnt ready.   but then they called me back a few hours later and said "come back, its done".   im not sure if it wasnt really done or if they just couldnt find it (they sent me to another counter to pick it up, different than the counter indicated on the pickup claim check).

oh, and my claim check had me coming back in about 2 weeks, definitely not 7 days.

everyone at the office was very pleasant and accommodating.   however, as noted elsewhere, probably 90% of the people requesting these certificates are thai nationals who need them to get entry to another country.  so the police were a little baffled, at first, as to why i wanted a certificate.  they even at one point assumed i needed it for my home country to re-enter that home country.  but after i explained it was for working in thailand, they wrote that on the form and we were off and running.

as for the xerox copy of the passport, the important pages they want copies of are the name/picture page (of course), but then also the pages showing
  a) your first visa entry stamp to thailand ever (in this current passport)
   the most recent entry stamp to thailand
  c) visa (if you have one)

[nonthaburial]

Anyone know how to obtain a police clearance certificate ?? the person requiring is no longer in Thailand.

Edited by PeaceBlondie, 2007-08-22 11:37:06.

[TEFLMike]

POLICE CHECK CERTICATE

If your friend resides in the UK, they must go to their local police station.

They have to request a form to complete. This will also need a signature and address of a professional person who has known them for a few years or more. I.e: a Solicitor, Teacher, Doctor. They may charge for this, or they may not.

They return the completed form to their local police station, accompanied with money valued £10 UK sterling.

ALLOW up to 40 days for the certificate to be sent out by post.

Phoning the police at any time to seek advice on where they are at as regards the check, will not speed up the time taken for them to receive the certificate from the police.

Hope this helps

[PeaceBlondie]

(spelling error corrected)

Please clarify if the person needs a clearance from the Thai police or the police of their own country.  Check here and under the Thai Visas forum for topics such as that, which have been covered in confusing detail.  Left handed Irishmen need to be on their giardia, for example; it's complex.

[Ijustwannateach]

It is becoming evident that this requirement is not dying as quick a death as we'd hoped, though not much more information has become available.  To facilitate discussion without multiplication of threads, I'm pinning this topic for now and will be merging some related threads.

[nocturnal]

seems like a good idea anyway.You would expect this to happen in your own country.I know minor offences are usually wiped within 6 years (cautions).If you are prosecuted they last much,much longer unless the details are lost which has been known after some period of time.As for the person who got caught for a minor shoplifting 20 years ago i wouldn't worry too much you could probably get a job as a policeman now.It all depends how strict they want to be but surely they couldn't bring that up now!

[Hadrian1]

nocturnal, on 2007-09-04 18:05:50, said:

seems like a good idea anyway.You would expect this to happen in your own country.I know minor offences are usually wiped within 6 years (cautions).If you are prosecuted they last much,much longer unless the details are lost which has been known after some period of time.As for the person who got caught for a minor shoplifting 20 years ago i wouldn't worry too much you could probably get a job as a policeman now.It all depends how strict they want to be but surely they couldn't bring that up now!

The sybject access report will show all convictions wheter they are spent under the Rehabilitaion of Offenders Act or not.  It doesn't matter if it occured yesterday, 10 or 20 years ago.  It's not a matter of the the authorities being nice or not.  You are asking for a report in black and white of what the authorities know about you ie are you on the Police National Computer.  This isn't what Subject Access was originally designed for but at present is is being abused but as yet it hasn't been made illegal to do so.

[baz69er]

PeaceBlondie, on 2007-08-19 16:42:45, said:

baz69er, on 2007-08-05 17:56:43, said:

Hi,
I have a minor shoplifting offence that happened over 20 years ago, paid a small fine etc, do you think this will go against me getting a teachers job or visas etc in thailand.......
Thanks
Barry

Barry, I hope you're still reading. Nobody knows. It depends first of all how minor your offence was considered by the record keepers in that country, and whether they have a statute of limitations on old minor offences. I would suggest you try to get a record of your police clearance and see what it says. If it's still on there, it will look bad. But 20 years is a long time, and if you've had responsible positions since then, it may be insignificant.

Hi peaceblonde,
                      (Sorry for the delay but there was a problem with the link)
                      I did write to the National Identification service about my conviction & they replied.

Under previous guidlines a single arrest & conviction would retain a record for a minimum period of ten years, More than three convictions or term of dentention/imprisonment of 6 months or more would retain a record for life, or any other serious offences would also retain for life, The weeding policy was implemented on a "come to notice" basis which means that if i had applied for my subject access prior to the 1st april 2006 my record would have been weeded, as this is not the case my record will remain for the foreseeable future.....They do go on to say that there will be new guidelines regarding the weeding of records at the end of this year.........Back to my offence, it was a petty offence, a won off, something that to this day, i am still ashamed of, saying that im all for Criminal Record Checks, but i just hope that i wont be punished for something i did a long time ago........
Baz

[DaiHard]

I've just had this surreal conversation with the HR department at the University where I work:

HR: You need Criminal record to work here
ME: Well I don't have one
HR: You have to get one
ME: I have a letter from the Police in the UK (Subject Access Request)

It is scrutinised then...

HR: It doesn't say anything, it is blank
ME: That's because I don't have a criminal record
HR: You need a criminal record to work here.....

Has it not occurred to the Police in the UK that instead of filling a page with gobbledegook about Data Protection followed by a blank page that it might, just might, be a tad confusing to a non english speaker. It is supposed to say what criminal convictions or entries on the Sex Offenders Register etc. (if any) the person named in the letter has and if they haven't got any then say so: The person named in this letter has no convictions what exactly is so difficult about that?

[dada]

Ijustwannateach, on 2007-08-22 13:51:07, said:

It is becoming evident that this requirement is not dying as quick a death as we'd hoped, though not much more information has become available. To facilitate discussion without multiplication of threads, I'm pinning this topic for now and will be merging some related threads.

Why is this not a good thing? Improvement usually costs money.

A criminal record check is necessary to protect the innocent. People who have done bad things should engage in other work. I recommend the document be presented as certified translation from stamped apostile document.  The employer should cover the costs or at least specify a reaonable amount that they will cover up to based on actual costs. When the standards go up, the pay has to go up also at least in a tight labor market.

I cannot imagine that there are people beating the doors down for a low paying job. If they're then requiring a police background check it is a good idea, again to protect the innocent.

Will we now see Khaosan Road background checks?

I have seen far to many phonies in Thailand to think that raising the bar will not somehow benefit those who are qualified and can provide evidence of being of sound character. Why else would a person for no need lead a life devoid of criminal conviction if they did not expect to somehow be rewarded for choosing the straight and narrow?

[Richie1971]

Hi,

Has anyone got any updates on what is actually contained in the subject access disclosures from the UK Police? Has anyone who had a minor conviction years ago or a conditional discharge actually applied and received one?

I have recently taken a job and applied for the subject access £10 a go report - I have a very minor conviction for public order back in 1989 and a conditional discharge from 1999 and I'm banking these will not included on the report.

Any insight from those in a similar position much appreciated

cheers

Richie

[Hadrian1]

Richie1971, on 2008-03-19 15:09:12, said:

Hi,

Has anyone got any updates on what is actually contained in the subject access disclosures from the UK Police? Has anyone who had a minor conviction years ago or a conditional discharge actually applied and received one?

I have recently taken a job and applied for the subject access £10 a go report - I have a very minor conviction for public order back in 1989 and a conditional discharge from 1999 and I'm banking these will not included on the report.

Any insight from those in a similar position much appreciated

cheers

Richie

They will appear on the subject access report.  You might like to try for the 'basic disclosure' which is available from CRB Scotland.   It's unlear if the Thai authorities will accept it.  It appears the Koreans do.  Spent convictions will not appear on it.  Good luck and let us know how you get on.

[issanray]

PeaceBlondie, on 2007-01-02 18:26:40, said:

I wasn't going to believe it until I saw it. Well, here it is off the website of the Royal Thai Embassy to the UK in London:

http://www.thaiembas..._clearance.html

This raises more questions than it answers. Who can tell us question #1?

Also being discussed at http://www.thaivisa....showtopic=99451

[TerryM]

I'm an Australian with a BA from a Sandstone University. What I'm reading in this thread scares me. Twenty Five years ago I was arrested for a small amount of POT I got a $200 fine. This will come up on my police check, will the Thai authorities still allow me to teach?
I do know that Thailand has very tough Drug Laws, I have also read in other forums that one can get ten years goal for one joint! However, from that time twenty five years ago I have never been arrested for anything or had any other trouble with the Australian police. Will this fact go in my favour or will the Thai authorities simply refuse me to teach.

Terry.

[Ijustwannateach]

^Nobody knows!

Until things are made clearer, I'm afraid I couldn't recommend that you (or anyone else with a shadow of a doubt about the results) come here to try working as a teacher.

[themikeymeister]

Ijustwannateach, on 2008-04-06 15:45:31, said:

^Nobody knows!

Until things are made clearer, I'm afraid I couldn't recommend that you (or anyone else with a shadow of a doubt about the results) come here to try working as a teacher.

Hello

First post here, and I'm afraid not a positive start.

I am from the Uk, and got a caution for cannabis possession 14 years ago ( when I was 17). No trouble ever since - this was a one off.

Amazing how one indiscretion in one's youth, can have such an impact further down the line.

I was considering moving to Thailand in a few years. My wife has been with me in the Uk for the past two years. Plan was to wait until she had a british passport ( to end the visa issues here in the Uk), and then give it a go in thailand. Now have to think of another way to make some a living.

Although I gather that I could still teach adults..........

Ho Hum

Mike

[themikeymeister]

themikeymeister, on 2008-04-13 20:49:41, said:

Ijustwannateach, on 2008-04-06 15:45:31, said:

^Nobody knows!

Until things are made clearer, I'm afraid I couldn't recommend that you (or anyone else with a shadow of a doubt about the results) come here to try working as a teacher.

Hello

First post here, and I'm afraid not a positive start.

I am from the Uk, and got a caution for cannabis possession 14 years ago ( when I was 17). No trouble ever since - this was a one off.

Amazing how one indiscretion in one's youth, can have such an impact further down the line.

I was considering moving to Thailand in a few years. My wife has been with me in the Uk for the past two years. Plan was to wait until she had a british passport ( to end the visa issues here in the Uk), and then give it a go in thailand. Now have to think of another way to make a living.

Although I gather that I could still teach adults..........

Ho Hum

Mike