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SaNim, on 2012-05-15 15:49:30, said:
Who was it that said those that give up freedoms for security deserve neither?
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In Topic: Uk Jails Teenager For Possessing Al-Qaeda'S Online Magazine
2012-05-16 10:58:52
Yunla, on 2012-05-16 06:54:06, said:
endure, on 2012-05-16 00:22:07, said:
My 'crime' was that I was homosexual at a time when it was illegal. I too have been battered senseless and hospitalised although my assailants didn't have the excuse of wanting to steal from me. They simply waited outside a gay club at closing time and battered me over the head with an iron bar for fun. I would have liked them to have been caught and sent to prison but they weren't I wouldn't have wanted them sent to prison for reading anti-gay propaganda though.
Will you agree with me that "terrorism" literally means to inflict terror through violence ; "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce".
My contention here is that all violent crime is terrorism to greater or lesser degree. The terror an old woman feels during a mugging by strong young men, is no less "terror" than a person feels when they are in the penumbric blast of a politically motivated bomb. In both cases, severe physical damage is caused to the victim,and terrorised psychology that never goes away. For me, after being chased on foot for 15 minutes by a stolen car, which swerved at me repeatedly, has left me with nervous disorder when I hear a car engine start behind me unexpectedly I literally feel the 'fight or flight' instinct kick in, which is the result of being terrorised in the past, even though it was over 20 years ago.
In order for the police to arrest violent criminals & political/religious terrorists, they need to be able to monitor media channels, and they need to prevent the spread of violent ideologies to young impressionable kids. Just as a white hot fire requires oxygen to burn hot, violent ideologies require the oxygen of media to spread their message and to legitimise themselves. If a child reads a glossy well-produced booklet saying it is ok to murder gays, or murder muslims, or break into peoples homes and batter disabled women, then the young reader will feel it is a legitimised action - it is in the media mainstream and vouched for by adults who can produce and distribute books. Many adults are educationally substandard and they are just as impressionable as children when faced with a powerfully-worded marketing campaign.
The fly in the ointment seems to be "probable cause".
In Topic: Uk Jails Teenager For Possessing Al-Qaeda'S Online Magazine
2012-05-15 10:24:36
Colin Yai, on 2012-05-14 12:06:10, said:
So Pakboong ,what You are implying is you are against censorship of any kind either for the public good or safety, so in essence its quite OK for the tens of Thousands of <Snip!> perverts out there to sell ,deal and watch Child pornography and freely advertise it wherever it please,s them?, there just has to be certain standards to be set, among those is to have information freely at hand which could in the wrong hands cause death and destruction to hundreds of Innocent people.
All forms of censorship seem to be intended for the public good. And you told me earlier that you are not in favor of censorship. Does that mean you are not in favor of the public good? I understand your point but censorship is a slippery slope and I in general oppose it.
In Topic: Uk Jails Teenager For Possessing Al-Qaeda'S Online Magazine
2012-05-14 11:34:13
Colin Yai, on 2012-05-14 11:12:33, said:
Pakboong, on 2012-05-14 11:04:45, said:
Colin Yai, on 2012-05-14 10:54:59, said:
Pakboong is there any chance of an Answer to my post #28 , a straight yes or no will do quite nicely 
In an earlier post in this thread, you asked a poster for some links to newspapers or something to that effect. What if he thought you wanted links to the banned materials and sent you links to the terrorist stuff? The police knock on your door to arrest you because some bean counter found the documents in your personal stuff. A ridiculous example but such happenings are not rare. We have many locked up in Cuba with less to go on than this silly example and they are not getting out any time soon. This stuff is dangerous and loss of basic rights for a false sense of security is IMO quite short sighted.
I think we should be allowed to read what we want. The crime starts and ends with what we do with such information. There is no right answer. We will all see this differently.
I did notice but not everyone will notice. An innocent bean counter on his first day on the job looking for terrorist information?? Again, there is no right or wrong, only opinion. I grew up with the ideas of George Orwell on "thought crime'; just the way of my orientation. I am sure there are many who would like to have "1984" and "Animal Farm" banned.
In Topic: Uk Jails Teenager For Possessing Al-Qaeda'S Online Magazine
2012-05-14 11:04:45
Colin Yai, on 2012-05-14 10:54:59, said:
Pakboong is there any chance of an Answer to my post #28 , a straight yes or no will do quite nicely
In an earlier post in this thread, you asked a poster for some links to newspapers or something to that effect. What if he thought you wanted links to the banned materials and sent you links to the terrorist stuff? The police knock on your door to arrest you because some bean counter found the documents in your personal stuff. A ridiculous example but such happenings are not rare. We have many locked up in Cuba with less to go on than this silly example and they are not getting out any time soon. This stuff is dangerous and loss of basic rights for a false sense of security is IMO quite short sighted.
I think we should be allowed to read what we want. The crime starts and ends with what we do with such information. There is no right answer. We will all see this differently.
