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Well, in fairness, my generic anti-Israeli government speech (as you call it) was in response to YOUR generic "why are they all picking on Israel when there is loads more baddies out there " argument, which you brought in unprompted.
But this argument is turning into to a bit of a two person debate between ourselves , so perhaps letting it drop down the rankings would be a good thing unless there is some fresh blood to bring more perspectives.
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In Topic: Poll: Should Film Festivals Boycott Gay Themed Israeli Films? (S.F. Frameline...
2012-05-27 05:33:29
In Topic: Poll: Should Film Festivals Boycott Gay Themed Israeli Films? (S.F. Frameline...
2012-05-27 04:11:58
Jingthing, I have a lot of sympathy for what you say in your first paragraph. Targetting individual artists is not the way to go I think. But it is hard to see what the other options are.
As regards your idea that "informational pickets" would be a better way to go, I remember that when an Irish pro-Palestinian group had a picket outside a concert where an Israeli orchestra were playing here in Dublin, they were accused of being "intimidatory", etc.
I have a feeling that only the most decorous of letters to the editor (and in an obscure publication at that) would pass muster as acceptable for the partisans on the other side of this issue.
Regarding the other hundred evil regimes, there is some truth in that. But only some - Israel is known around the World as an ally of the US (recipient of huge sums of US aid). Therefore what it does reflects on the US - and badly in many cases.
It matters not for the reputation of the US what Iran (or Syria or North Korea) do as everybody know they are enemies. Even countries such as Pakistan or Saudi Arabia are known to be allied to the US purely as a marriage of convenience. However, Israel and the US are best buds - the US claims that part of the reason it supports Israel is that it is the "only democracy in the Middle East".
Therefore,the US is claiming its support for Israel is based on democracy and an ethical foreign policy.
That carries certain expectations and obligations. And it seems not at all surprising to me Israel question loom large in the imagination of the American left, including the doughty lefty GLBT campaigners.
As regards your idea that "informational pickets" would be a better way to go, I remember that when an Irish pro-Palestinian group had a picket outside a concert where an Israeli orchestra were playing here in Dublin, they were accused of being "intimidatory", etc.
I have a feeling that only the most decorous of letters to the editor (and in an obscure publication at that) would pass muster as acceptable for the partisans on the other side of this issue.
Regarding the other hundred evil regimes, there is some truth in that. But only some - Israel is known around the World as an ally of the US (recipient of huge sums of US aid). Therefore what it does reflects on the US - and badly in many cases.
It matters not for the reputation of the US what Iran (or Syria or North Korea) do as everybody know they are enemies. Even countries such as Pakistan or Saudi Arabia are known to be allied to the US purely as a marriage of convenience. However, Israel and the US are best buds - the US claims that part of the reason it supports Israel is that it is the "only democracy in the Middle East".
Therefore,the US is claiming its support for Israel is based on democracy and an ethical foreign policy.
That carries certain expectations and obligations. And it seems not at all surprising to me Israel question loom large in the imagination of the American left, including the doughty lefty GLBT campaigners.
In Topic: Poll: Should Film Festivals Boycott Gay Themed Israeli Films? (S.F. Frameline...
2012-05-27 03:13:57
Well, Jingthing, to bring it back to the gay issue, what would be an acceptable way in your mind for opponents of "pinkwashing" to fight it?
In Topic: Poll: Should Film Festivals Boycott Gay Themed Israeli Films? (S.F. Frameline...
2012-05-27 02:42:51
Jingthing, as regard the Israeli teenagers, i am not defending what happened to them (as I said before, I think boycotts that affect israeli individuals are counter-productive), however there are many individual tragedies in the Israeli Palestinian situation.At least the teenagers only faced a one-day setback, which I am sure they will recover from.
The New York Times had an Op-Ed just this week from an Israeli Arab who is married to a woman from the West bank. They met in the United States, but cannot go back to live in his hometown in Israel because she wouuld be barred from living with him, simply because she was born in the West Bank.
This situation may continue for the rest of their lives.
You can read the story here:
http://www.nytimes.c...-are-equal.html
If the link is blocked here on TV, you can get to it by Googling "Not All israeli Citizens are Equal Yousef Munayyer"
I hope you will join me, Jingthing, in stating that the way the Israeli government is treating the Munayyer family is despicable.
The New York Times had an Op-Ed just this week from an Israeli Arab who is married to a woman from the West bank. They met in the United States, but cannot go back to live in his hometown in Israel because she wouuld be barred from living with him, simply because she was born in the West Bank.
This situation may continue for the rest of their lives.
You can read the story here:
http://www.nytimes.c...-are-equal.html
If the link is blocked here on TV, you can get to it by Googling "Not All israeli Citizens are Equal Yousef Munayyer"
I hope you will join me, Jingthing, in stating that the way the Israeli government is treating the Munayyer family is despicable.
In Topic: Poll: Should Film Festivals Boycott Gay Themed Israeli Films? (S.F. Frameline...
2012-05-27 01:57:34
Jingthing, again you are obscuring the fact that the target of the SF boycott is the financing coming from the PR arm of the Israeli Foreign Ministry.
Can you name one reputable Arts organisation in the USA that has accepted Iranian funding recently?
Because unless you can (and I accept that it is unlikely that the current Iranian regime would be going around looking for Arts festivals to sponsor), you are not making like for like comparisons.
Can you name one reputable Arts organisation in the USA that has accepted Iranian funding recently?
Because unless you can (and I accept that it is unlikely that the current Iranian regime would be going around looking for Arts festivals to sponsor), you are not making like for like comparisons.
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