DP25

PattayaParent, on 2012-05-26 22:26:05, said:

With 9000 + posts, I'm surprised you have any time to meet anyone other than a bunch of disgruntled cynics who may, or more liklely, may not live in Thailand.

I have been her full time for over 21 years, I find Thai people friendly , polite and very easy with a smile..

Are you polite, friendly and willing to smile, or are you like most Farangs, miserable?

Ahh, I'll buy it at a high price!

Another way to look at the Thaksin saga is to look at what is now happening in Chiang Mai. There are a couple of billionnaire families that control this city. They are all friendly with the Shianwatras. The moment the PTP 'won' this election, money from the government coffers started pouring into Chiang Mai. All the big players were in place: Land had been acquired for the development of shopping malls and moo baans; projects that had previously been on 'hold' burst back into life, a new ring road from Hang Dong to Mae Rim was announced: not surprisingly the Thaksinites has already acquired land along the route, thus doubling, tripling (and so on) the value of this land in no time. Its about money. And Thaksin's red shirt movement, for Thaksin at least, is about acquiring the support, through force and menace, to enable him to continue piling cash into his already overful bank accounts. Democracy was simply a useful word that would pull these red shirts into one movement behind him. Thaksin is not a democrat. His actions over the years have proved that time and time again. The majority of reds have no idea what democracy is. But there is a small movement that believe and understand democracy and I guess that these guys know what a scam the rest of the movement is. Another way to develop a movement is by finding a common enemy (in other countries it could be blacks, jews and so on( and in this case it was the 'elite'). This elite is actually the same people who have their snouts in the trough as being demonstrated in Chiang Mai even as you read this. As I see it the Democrat Party is composed, partly, of humanitarians, people who have education and understand the world a little bit more than the average red; it is comprised of academics, intellectuals and people in general who have jai dee. Abhisit had a rough time with some of his own people who had their fingers in the pie but he was well meaning, he held back when the reds were bent on tearing the capital city apart. He knew that the venom would be turned on him with the carefully orchestrated lies and deceit of that master of illusion who now lives in Dubai. But he stood his ground and held his head up high in spite of the pressue that he was under and the lies spread about him by Thaksin, Amsterdam and repeated by Jatuporn, Arissman and the other Kwais in there for the ride. Some posters here (not too many of them thank goodness) seem to ignore these simple truths and prefer to be dragged along by the fake democrat. But in all of these situations over history there have always been a small minority who prefer the notoriety of siding with the bad guys often at the expense of the poor and downtrodden. Lord Haw Haw in the UK is a great example. Sadly, Thai politics cannot change - at least not in my lifetime. Good governance could do so much for this country and the poor sods who still have to manage on 150 baht a day, if they can get work at all. If this was another country we could widen the debate a bit more but I believe that there were very powerful forces that intervened at some point to help save the country but sadly this was not to be and the battle will continue. 'Reconciliation', like 'democracy' is another buzz word designed to create a diversion from what is really happening. Some Thaksinites (here on TV) may be easily fooled by these illusions but thankfully I sense that on TV, at least, there is a body of good people, people who care about others, who truly understand this stuff. They are the kind of people who can make a difference in this world.

The diehard members of the Thaksin Fan Club won't change their spots. Those who can see the bigger picture will. But its the diehards that can cause the most trouble. Thaksin and the other leaders know that the kwais are easily manipulated and they still (and will continue to do so) form a considerable army that can cause mayhem when and where they like and then use Thaksin and his PR people (such as that disgusting Robert Amsterdam) to rewrite history. Even Thaksin is not sure where he himself stands. 'I'm out of politics', 'Thaksin thinks ......' etc etc etc. Shifting sands. If you look at his contradictory statements over the years you can see he is an idiot and people like Amsterdam recognise this and simply pump him for all he's worth as he's a good earner for these guys.
As for democracy, Thai's have no idea what this word, or concept, means. The fundamental basis of Democracy is the rule of law. Without the rule of law, or respect for the law, there can be no democracy. Burning Bangkok, looting shops, accusing the Abhisit government of things about which they were not responsible, constant lies and corruption - even smaller things like all the reds I saw here in Chiang Mai riding their motorcycles without helmets whilst on their way to some rally, proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the reds are as far away from understanding democracy as you could possibly be. And that's the way Thaksin wants it to be. If only they understood .........................

I often wonder if there's an equivalent forum to TVF in the west where some Thai guy from Kalasin posts something like

" I met Lafronda, a 33 year old African American, in the local Walmart. She lives in the Marcey Projects in Brooklyn and has 6 children from 4 different fathers. She's been on welfare since she first became pregnant at 15. We've been dating for about 5 months and despite her out of control freebasing habit and the fact her brother has a meth lab in the back bedroom I feel she might be the one.What do you guys think?"

I'm constantly gobsmacked at some of the damaged goods horror stories bloke shack up with in LOS who they wouldn't touch with a 10 foot shitty stick back home.

zzaa09, on 2012-05-20 20:30:46, said:

Yes it's sad that this is the only way they can support their aged parents and their children after being deserted by their butterfly wives.

Lite Beer, on 2012-05-19 20:13:46, said:

And so, the victors write the history books.

All Ive ever seen with this mob is violence and playing the victim.

They won, they got their way and they have their man in power as the PM. I dont see why they are allowed to bring central Bangkok to a standstill yet again, especially when they are 100% responsible for every death and act of destruction during the riots in Bangkok, and all of the deaths and destruction around the country during that time.

Well, its obvious WHY they are allowed to, its just a kick in the face for any regular person who was here at the time and had these terrorists affecting their life for a month, and all for the sake of a promised 500 baht which a lot of them never got.

if anyone is truly in favour of democracy and reconciliation they would outlaw any red or other "villages"

They are divisive and intimidating and have no place in a true democracy

Misterwhisper, on 2012-05-16 11:06:09, said:

The revival is on the personal orders of the Boss overseas, whose ego is too huge to admit that he made a horrible mistake.  Anyway the B280 million represents more patronage for friends and relatives of the PT and red shirt worthies who are due rewards for loyal service to the Boss and sis. The card could probably be issued by a department of three police sergeants earning B8,000 a month each at the Immigration Dept at Chaengwattana but, instead they have to set up a massive establishment with plush offices in town and an advertising budget that costs more than potential revenue etc etc.

The only justification offered for this theft of taxpayers' money is that some elite card holders made significant investments in Thailand.  But there is nothing to suggest that the card was the reason for those investments and what smart businessman would invest big bucks just because of a stupid card?  Instead of wasting money on this garbage, the Boss should ensure that laws are changed, so that big investors can easily obtain PR or citizenship, if they want it, in the same way as he has benefitted from such rules overseas.  They should also ensure fairness, transparency and timeliness in processing such applications from ordinary foreigners who qualify, instead of the current "black hole" system at the Interior Ministry.  When they've finished that, they should get rid of the racially discriminatory laws against foreigners owning land or their own businesses which are bound to backfire eventually on Thai companies trying to invest overseas.  All that would boost foreign investment unequivocably at nil cost to the taxpayer and eliminate any justification for this ridiculous card.

Kickin' in the front seat. Sittin' in the back seat. Gotta make my mind up - which seat can I take?

couple of hours earlier than usual ......

same time every night........

Yingluck Shinawatra.
is on Facebook.
To connect with Yingluck Shinawatra, sign up for Facebook today.
Sign Up.Log In.

it's so hot, yellow shirts are standing next to Yingluck just to be close to something shady.

pastitche, on 2012-04-24 23:05:31, said:

You are historically correct, this guy MediumPacedBowler has a record of abusing members of this forum, he is getting out of control. A truly nasty piece of work.