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tjrd12

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In Topic: All Bangkok Districts To Be Flooded If Klong Sam Wa's Sluice Gate Further...

2011-11-01 17:20:36

whybother, on 2011-11-01 15:06:09, said:

LivinLOS, on 2011-11-01 14:14:25, said:

An unfair analogy..

10 million for 6 weeks or 20 million for 2 weeks..

Its a question of sharing the risk, clearing waters as fast as possible, yet trying not to flood bangkok dramatically.

If bangkok now doesnt flood, and the opening of this gate does speed up the drainage of the area now flooded, it will be the right course of action. Se3ems bangkokians dont want to take any risk, by virtue of the 'we are more important' card, thereby guaranteeing more pain for others, while they only have 'risk'.

Actually, it's currently 2.5 million (for 4-6 weeks) and if Bangkok floods it would be another 8-10 million for 4-6 weeks. What makes you think they could clear the water in 2 weeks?

Correct, and more people out of work and homeless and at a higher economic cost, not to mention the damage to Thailand's business reputation (which is already taking a beating). You have to protect what is still dry.

In Topic: Anger Rises In Flooded Bangkok As Centre Stays Dry

2011-11-01 17:18:19

MunterHunter, on 2011-11-01 16:47:30, said:

Gippy, on 2011-11-01 16:37:49, said:

Why would the burbs be a total loss? Do you think they are going to knock all the buildings down after the flooding eases? What about the tens of thousands of businesses that can reopen once the water is gone. Being able to open two weeks faster could be the difference between being able to reopen or completely running out of funds. Every extra day the northern burbs are flooded is costing us in lost income and my staff are no longer getting paid. Having inner Bangkok take a few risks instead of leaving the canals empty could be a sensible trade off.

Ok, so flood the CBD, the airport, the food manufacturing factories and 12 million more homes in inner bangkok so that the SME's in northern Bangkok can re-open two weeks earlier and/or avoid going bankrupt... that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Could not agree more. It makes no sense. If Central BKK is allowed to flood it will not be for a day. It could last weeks. Again, the effects would be devastating. It is not a sensible trade off. It would only compound the problem as there will be more area to clean and even more people out of work and out of a place to live. Protect what it not flooded and then do all you can once the waters recede.

In Topic: Anger Rises In Flooded Bangkok As Centre Stays Dry

2011-11-01 15:26:05

Ricardo, on 2011-11-01 15:03:05, said:

sparebox2, on 2011-11-01 12:36:27, said:

tjrd12, on 2011-11-01 12:18:43, said:

Allowing the CBD and the rest of Central BKK to flood is idiotic. While I feel for the folks in the 'burbs, if flooding is allowed in inner BKK it will only prolong recovery and damage the economy more. Business can still continue, but allow flooding and it will grind to a halt. Not smart. Protect the inner city and airport, if they don't, well, TIT!

Be a sport. Bangkok people should take their fair share. Rural people pay tax too, not just bangkokians.

I'm sorry but I do not agree.

It surely makes more sense to flood the countryside, rather than industrial-estates or the centre of the capital, because the economic-damage will be less ? Not negligible, or pleasant, but less-expensive to the country as-a-whole in the long run.

Flooding the shops & offices & banks & factories, out of some notion of democratic-equality, cannot be right, can it ?

It really is amazing to contrast the Japanese people's response to the Tsunami with the Thai people's response to the flooding. In Japan the population worked together, here it is neighborhood against neighborhood. "I am flooded with 2 meters of water and you have no flooding. I want to tear down the dyke so that you have one meter and I have one meter." Childish, self-centered insanity!

In Topic: Anger Rises In Flooded Bangkok As Centre Stays Dry

2011-11-01 15:23:30

sparebox2, on 2011-11-01 12:36:27, said:

tjrd12, on 2011-11-01 12:18:43, said:

Be a sport. Bangkok people should take their fair share. Rural people pay tax too, not just bangkokians.

It really has nothing to do about being a sport. It has to do with economics and sense. The burbs are already a total loss and whether the water drains a week or two faster will not lessen the degree of damage or cost less or stave off the disease that is sure to follow.
Allowing central BKK and the airport to flood simply adds to the cost of cleanup and rebuilding, damages the core infrastructure of the country, completely devastates investor confidence (as if it is not damaged enough), and will spread disease at an unheard of rate. Closing the airport will ruin high season which brings much needed tourist dollars and taxes to help in the rebuilding process. It is simply madness to even consider letting water into the inner city on purpose. Water will not simply "flow through," it will be in the inner city for days if not weeks. Central BKK and the airport should be protected at all costs.

In Topic: Anger Rises In Flooded Bangkok As Centre Stays Dry

2011-11-01 12:18:43

robblok, on 2011-11-01 12:01:31, said:

thaicbr, on 2011-11-01 11:42:03, said:

robblok, on 2011-11-01 11:37:03, said:

animatic, on 2011-11-01 11:23:43, said:

I would say food and water are ABSOLUTES and so saving a food source
and clean drinking water sources take precedence over housing in this situation.

Sure your house is dry but in 2 weeks you are starving.
Have to look medium term not JUST short term.

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I agree there.. but BKK is not a food producer. Water yes that has to be protected. But Saying BKK is a food producer is not correct IMHO.

But the multi national companies are the food producers and if they stop working Thailands income stops as well.. A factory is closed. ok the company can clean it up and open it. If the company headquarters is closed ...who will open the factories.

I feel for all of you flooded.. we will have the flood in about 3-4 days. But flooding the CBD is just NOT the correct thing to do. Not withstanding the huge amount of people that live in central BKK. what do you want to do with them..?

I think a big deal is made out of some flooding for BKK. Its not the end of the world and can be cleaned up. Just like my home is going to be cleaned up. I loose some money, too bad. But holding the water back and making other suffer is not a nice thing to do.

IF (and i really mean if) it could help the whole flooding to end 1 week faster i think its worth it. But i dont wish hardship on BKK for the sake of it. Maybe its already to late to open gates wider. It should have been done a long time ago. But BKK did not want to take any risks.

I heard people here posting how the canals near their homes were stagnant and not moving while we needed to drain the water.