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In Topic: Do I Have An Electrical Grounding Problem In My House?

2012-03-10 05:48:16

View Postthaibeachlovers, on 2012-03-08 18:18:26, said:

I just bought power strip. I wanted a 6 socket individually switched strip, but could only find a 5 socket surge protected job. Don't want or need the surge protector, but TIT.
Anyway, like the OP, mine has a red and green light. Currently only the red light shines brightly when plugged in, but on reading the instructions, they are so confusing ( made in China and obviously written by someone NOT fluent in English ) I have no idea as to whether the red light means there is or is not a good earth, or if it should be green only. The only thing I can be sure of is that if both red and green shine together it isn't safe to use the strip, though it doesn't say what to do in that event.

If it works just like My Toshino (probably alsop made in China) A single red lit LED means you Have a ground connection but your Live and Neutral are reversed. (I checked this out a few days ago to confirm this). My OLD Toshino came with packing telling me this, BUT my NEW Toshino packing makes NO mention of a what a Single lit Red LED means (VERY Helpful NOT!!!)

N and L reversed would not be surprising here in LOS as that could happen if your power sockets wiring are based on the Thai convention and your extension is based on (say) UK convention or similar) or vice versa.

I know for a fact many extension sockets say made in UK or similar and I very much doubt they think about where particular units go and whether the L and N needs to be reversed for those countries.  Mind you, as so few Thai houses have ground wiring most do not care which way round L and N are.  Judging by the ugly horrible (only) 3 pin plugs I have tracked down (Global) most do not use 3 pin plugs anyway, coz nobody would choose such ugly and fragile (where pins come out) plugs.

Regards, Dave

In Topic: Do I Have An Electrical Grounding Problem In My House?

2012-03-10 05:32:22

View PostCrossy, on 2012-03-06 19:30:24, said:

View Postthaibeachlovers, on 2012-03-06 18:46:06, said:

Will a lower rated Safe T Cut work OK? ie using a 50A on his 30/100A meter box.

It will indeed work, but he will be limited to 50A, 1/2 of his available supply.

As noted by Litlos, Safe-T-Cut do in fact make a 100A version.


Hi All,

Sorry I have been silent for a few days (or maybe it was a relief Posted Image). My excuse (well actually reason) was that I have just passed my PC of 5 years to my Step son and replaced it with a built for me based upon my purchased equipment Dogs B******* of a PC.   Becuase the new is Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit and my old was my much loved Win XP it has taken a few days to add my important programs to a start from scratch PC.

Anyway I'm Baaack.

Crossy the question asked was exactly what I was going to ask.   The Meter may be able to deal with 100A but I cannot beleive the soi supply would cope with one house drawing that Nor can I beleive I'd be anywhere near using 100A eithert now or in the future

Looking at our power consumption for the last 3½ years the most Units used in 1 month was 1141 (4/2010).  The most units I have used in any single day was 48 units (2 days ago when I was on PC for 24 hours non stop and had airon on for many more hours than normal).

Even allowing for a large percentage increase 100A seem way way to high for the reality of need.

Do these figure suggest a realistic Safe-T-Cut Amp ability or is my logic trying to mix chalk with cheese?

Regards, Dave

In Topic: Do I Have An Electrical Grounding Problem In My House?

2012-03-06 10:29:21

View PostCrossy, on 2012-03-05 22:45:01, said:

It doesn't look like you have MEN, do NOT that's NOT install it unless you KNOW your area is wired for it.

What size meter do you have, it will be marked 5/15, 15/45 or 30/100? Your Safe-T-Cut should be respectively 20A, 50A, 100A (or the nearest they do) one of the Super-Plus range is what you need. I hope you have at least a 15/45.

I would not have accepted that installation, in fact I would have physically ejected the sparks from the site. Taped joints (every one a potential fire) and inconsistent colour codes are a start, I would also be suspect of the cable sizes being used although it's difficult to tell actual sizes and breaker ratings from the images.



Hi Crossy,

Of course I cannot see 15/45 or anything like that format on my meter.  In fact I note all 3 meters on our pylon are different.
Attached is a photo of ours.

aside: when I got up at 7am (early for me) I could barely see my dim Red LED and did a voltage test 228V Live to Ground and 3-4 V Neutral to Ground.  (half Yesterday's and confirms the dim glow on thr4 Red LED is related to volts on Neutral to Ground.

Oddly after 30 mins it crept up to Live 230 V Neutral 6-8

3½ hours later it is Live 222 Neutral 4-5.  

No idea why the change as we are not in our house using any extra power since 7am.
Not that variations 2 or 3 volts seem important

Dave

In Topic: Do I Have An Electrical Grounding Problem In My House?

2012-03-05 22:20:10

View PostCrossy, on 2012-03-05 20:44:38, said:

A Safe-T-Cut is a local brand of RCD. Your local sparks will know what a Safe-T-Cut is rather than trying RCD or RCBO, it goes on the load side of the meter. It's rating is determined by the meter type you have, they're usually 50A for a 15/45 meter.

With TT an RCD is VITAL and even with a MEN connection it provides a useful increase in your safety.

A ground rod alone is unlikely to have a low enough resistance to open an MCB in the event of a L-E fault and will provide zero protection from direct contact with a live wire. An RCD will do both.

Have a read of this document http://www.beama.org...7188608E386D98D




Hi Crossy,

I don't think I have this MEN thing.  This is a photo of the inside of my 2 fuse boxes at time of house building (near completion of electrical wiring.
Probably tell you much more than me though I am not happy to see so much insulation tape no doubt due to inadequate lengths of some wires.  I had the cable sleeves removed as I felt ugly and did not like screws being screwed into it and it moved and was too small. I quickly got a carpenter after house build finished to hide the cabling in a plaster boarded box type frame.

Attached File  Main Fuseboxes (Both).JPG   2.18MB   20 downloads


I have looked at the Safe T- Cut units http://www.safe-t-cu...hp?name=product   but do not know which I should target or what level of Amp rating ability I need.
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to suggest which should do the job in a large house of 3 people (I appreciate you cannot be certain without seeing house so what would be a likely AMP with a little to spare but but an excessive over the top level). The most power fixtures are the water heaters 5Kw and 8KW (no idea why the 5KW is not only faster at heating up but heats up higher ss well.  Will not cry when the German made 8KW unit dies and I will replace with the same make and model (if possible) as the 5Kw unit (Italian I think).

Many thanks
Dave

In Topic: Do I Have An Electrical Grounding Problem In My House?

2012-03-05 20:50:39

View PostLitlos, on 2012-03-05 18:06:33, said:

Sounds a bit like the 7 volts on the neutral is causing the LED to show something.  I tried to find a circuit diagram for the Toshino board, but no joy.  I did find a photo with the cover off and there is a MOV (Metal Oxide Varistor) inside by the looks for surge protection.  These things degrade as they get older and leak a bit of current which may well explain the difference between the new and the old.  Also remember the testing by inserting into a non earthed socket is the extreme case ,a little bit of a glow indicates a little bit of a problem with the earth or possibly the neutral.

Thanks for your investigations Litlos -very kind of you to bother.

Matter of interest is the PEA transformer near by?  Go and have a look at the condition of the earth stake.  If yours is dry, I bet that one is as well.  May be take some liquid up there to wet that down as well.  The locals will think you are crazy, but all in the name of science.  A couple of litres should do it.  The effect should be that the voltage on the neutral goes down near zero.  Remember it is not just you on the system.  Everyone on the downstream of the transformer is sharing the system.

I firmly believe the nearest PEA transformer is maybe several 100 metres away.  

Ground Stakes.  Well I know the our pylon and the 2 either side have no Earth stake and I would not be surprised if few (if any) do have in our small soi.  In other sois near us I recall ground straps seemed to be on APPROX every other or third Pylon or so  .  I would have to check to be more precise

However all being equal it is as Crossy said, really a small problem.  The main thing is as long as your earth leakage protection is working when tested you are pretty safe.  Clean up the connection to the earth rod as mentioned before and put a plant that needs watering close by to ensure the ground near the earth rod stays damp.  THAT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA  Should be fine.

When I take Crossy's advice in day or so and put a plastic pipe around the upper clamped part of the ground rod and painting it with acrylic paint (or would caking silicone sealant be even better)   Is it OK to fill the inside with sand to ensure no soil can rise from below when Monsoon rains saturate our garden. I know we have a high water table coz its a real pain with our septic tank run off vertical concrete cylinders.

Thanks, Dave

Cheers

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