Jerrytheyoung, on 2012-04-26 14:36:03, said:
bapak, on 2012-04-26 12:32:52, said:
"....Around 1,000 student pilots graduate from the CATC each year. The Ministry of Transport will be pushing for an increase of facilities, as well as an expansion of curriculum and admission periods in order to accommodate an expected growing number of students... "
It would be interesting to know how many of the 1,000 got flight employment. I have met many CATC graduates and they have been on waiting list at various Thai airlines for some years. What I hear frequently is that they only want to work in Thailand (need to be close to Mama) and not be overseas based, while jobs go begging in the Middle East.
It would be interesting to know how many of the 1,000 got flight employment. I have met many CATC graduates and they have been on waiting list at various Thai airlines for some years. What I hear frequently is that they only want to work in Thailand (need to be close to Mama) and not be overseas based, while jobs go begging in the Middle East.
It is in my professional area.
First there is an error.CATC as never produced 1000 pilots in a year. 100 is maybe credible. CAFUC, the huge Chinese Flying School and the Asian most important school, organised on several airfields, produces only 500 cadets per year it is already a performance.
Secondly, the other ASEAN Countries are not standing by: in Malaysia there are 8 schools and currently more than a 1,000 jobless young pilots. one of the issue those jobless students are facing is the poor quality of the training in some Flight Training Organisations. Vietnam has now its own Flying School. in Indonesia, there was a shortage of pilots, but currently the number of Flying schools is mushrooming and Malaysian FTOs are loosing indonesian customers because they train at home.
In India there are around 5,000 jobless young pilots and a large part unemployable, trained at too low standards, Airlines does not want them.
This is a major issue; the training standard.
There are three reference standards in our training world:
- FAA (USA), but aside the FAA licence, major US Airlines recruit experienced professionals with important logbook (typically something like 4,000 hours). More, often Airlines request or a sound military experience, or Academic diplomas (bachelor degrees). The FAA licence by itself is not sufficient for being a low time First officer on an Airliner. US Air Force, Navy are decommissioning every year a lot of experienced pilots, and there is also a huge General and Regional Civil Aviation activity which give opportunities for building hours on a logbook
- EASA (Europe) at the difference of USA, the Air Forces are too small and the General Aviation is very weak. Europeans like most Countries worldwide has no choice; they have to put on the right seat of an Airliner a "low timed" pilot. For compensating the deficiency in experience, Europe has built a tough Ab Initio training system: tough selection ( typically, less than 1 on 10 candidates pass through a cadet scheme, theoretical knowledge reinforced with tougher exam, flight training very structured, and recently the Flight Instructors qualifications has been upraised. On the worldwide market the EASA trained students has better chance to be recruited than other ones. (Malaysia is already partly at a European compliant standard, Vietnam is working with French schools for setting their standards)
- ICAO, which is the bottom line that everybody must respect. the standard is defined by the Annex 1 to the 1944 Chicago Convention. It is updated periodically, the last version introducing mandatory "proficiency english levels" to respect and the new licensing system "MPL".
Thailand is aligned on the ICAO standard as per the Thai Civil Aviation Authority requirements, which means the exportability of young pilots on demanding markets like Middle East or China is weak as those markets are now aligning themselves on the EASA standard. The only school close to EASA standard is IAC-NPU in Nakhon Phanom (which is doing more than the DCA requirements).
In any case, it is the Airline which recruits and decides, like recently in Indonesia, young pilots of worldwide origin are competiting and those without a training at EASA standard have very limited chances.
Before dreaming to export, a revision of the standards is required.
My 3 cents on this issue.
Thank you. One of the most informative posts ever on TV.





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