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#5322971 Afghanistan: Suicide Bomber Kills Nato Troops, Children Near Market

Posted folium on 2012-05-22 20:49:34

View PostSteely Dan, on 2012-05-22 12:41:15, said:

If our troops were given the remit of removing the Taliban completely without politicians calling it a day for electoral reasons, or the usual suspects colluding and conspiring to handicap them in every way possible then you could given time remove the foul and repugnant ideology that exists there. However as it stands the aforementioned limiting factors mean the mission was lost ages ago and in this respect alone I agree - it makes no sense whatsoever to keep any troops there for a single day more.

Like so many conflict situations there is no military solution in isolation. "Removing the Taliban completely" cannot be done by force of arms alone, it needs political and economic attention to enable change to happen. Sadly ever since 2001 the goalposts and objectives in Afghanistan for ISAF have evolved and morphed into something unobtainable given political and economic realities.

It just underlines the point that military action needs to be a thought through, joined up process with clear and realistic military and political objectives. Once the main forces exit in 2014 you will probably see a continuing presence of SF, drones and other assets tasked with the targeting of terrorists.


#5298578 Yellow Shirt Leader Karun's Long Haul In Bid To Dodge Arrest

Posted mca on 2012-05-14 06:11:41

Just when you think Thailand couldn't get any more surreal it sneaks up and bites you on the arse again.

They drove him and his vehicle 300 kilometres on the back of a transporter. FFS. Posted Image


#5266892 British Red Cross Worker Found Beheaded In Pakistan

Posted Naam on 2012-05-02 06:19:36

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There is no point in offering modern gadgets to people that live in the stone ages and still wipe their arse with their hands.
there is also no point in ridiculing people who, after a dump, spread the shit remains evenly with paper instead of using their hands and water to clean their arses.


#5265255 British Red Cross Worker Found Beheaded In Pakistan

Posted Colin Yai on 2012-05-01 14:10:45

View Postfolium, on 2012-05-01 12:58:28, said:

View PostColin Yai, on 2012-05-01 12:26:15, said:

I  seem remember  in my School days having an History lesson about the Roman Historian/Senator Tacitus AD14 to68 who said "If you want peace sometimes you have to be prepared to fight for it"  I believed it then as I still do to this day ..

Ain't history fun, glad you've come round to revisiting your history books!

The actual quote is "Si vis pacem, para bellum" [if you wish for peace, prepare for war] and came from Vegetius in the late 4th century AD.

Having put such words into actions for a couple of decades I quite agree, but to quote another cliche "choose your enemies wisely, as you will become like them". Ironically an Arab proverb, date unknown, but very resonant today.
Well it was 57 years ago and the last 2 letters of the name was US!.


#5266157 British Red Cross Worker Found Beheaded In Pakistan

Posted geriatrickid on 2012-05-01 20:05:08

View Postfolium, on 2012-05-01 12:10:11, said:


Political and economic means have been successfully deployed in Aceh, Malaysia, throughout Europe (ETA, IRA etc) as examples of dealing with extremism.

Addressing issues that prolong conflict is not appeasement or soft-peddling, more a case of lancing running sores like the Middlle East conflict, the India-Pakistan border dispute, or addressing economic/ethnic issues where a group is marginalised and needs to be brought in (eg Kurds of Turkey or the southern provinces of Thailand).

All in all a lifetime's work for millions but looking at such conflicts through the narrow veil of religion (pun intended) solves little and exacerbates mightily.

The conflicts you refer to were often had economic roots. The Irish troubles had religion on the surface, but really it was an issue of the overthrow of the Government of Eire as well since the IRA wanted to replace the Irish government. At its core, the Irish  troubles sprang from real and perceived social inquities. Same for Malaysia, where today, the Chinese and Indian ethnic groups suffer from government mandated discrimination. The Kurds in Turkey is all about the Turks trying to control a region and people that were at one time  independent and that are of a different culture.

What we  see in Pakistan is a  group of thugs intent on imposing their specific religious views on others. It's as simple as that. Attempts to win the hearts and minds of such people by offering economic opportunities will not work, There is no point in offering modern gadgets to people that live in the stone ages and still wipe their arse with their hands.  as much as I regret the loss of life of the aid worker, it was expected. Pakistan is a screwed up state armed with nuclear weapons and  throwing money and aid to it is  just delaying the inevitable. What I find amazing is that India and Pakistan have the same origin. Yet India with one of the largest muslim populations in the world is able to maintain a semi democratic government, and a semi free press along with some respect for fundamental civil rights.  Pakistan cannot. India has not  suffered from military coups, but Pakistan has. India's government is not dominated by doctrinair  muslims, while Pakistan is. That says it all. It also explains why it is to be expected that more aid workers will end up dead in Pakistan.


#5257487 Travelled To India Recently?

Posted Naam on 2012-04-28 19:08:43

View PostPattayaParent, on 2012-04-27 10:43:57, said:

India is one of those places that you immediately either love or hate.

If you love it you'll enjoy your 2/3 months (I travelled around for 4 months), if you hate it you'll be back in Thailand within a week.
what about those like me who love and hate India? when i'm in Thailand i love India. when i'm in India i love it for a day or two, then start to hate it and count the days till my flight leaves.


#5174185 More than 400 Afghan women jailed for 'moral crimes'

Posted Steely Dan on 2012-03-29 13:03:13

View PostMorch, on 2012-03-29 12:56:22, said:

Well, they do have mail  circumcision, but that's another painful subject....

I wouldn't normally pick up on spelling mistakes, but is this done with a letter opener?


#5173966 JetBlue captain goes berserk on flight, subdued by passengers

Posted GentlemanJim on 2012-03-29 12:03:21

View Postsubmaniac, on 2012-03-29 11:03:42, said:

Jet Blue=budget airlines = scary hiring standards.

No they are not scary hiring standards you are scare mongering!

A nervous breakdown can happen to anyone for a number of reasons and it would be almost impossible to identify such a problem occurring in the future at any form of selection process. Thank God the co pilot had the monumental courage and kuhoonas to lock the cockpit door. Do you have any idea how much of a massive decision it is to lock the Captain out of the cockpit! That is a lost job and occupation for life if you are wrong. The co-pilot showed incredible courage and you are talking of scary hiring standards! I would place him amongst the best, and the passengers are very very lucky he was up front.


#5145799 Actor George Clooney among arrested in Sudan protest

Posted koheesti on 2012-03-19 06:07:48

The ignorance on display here is overwhelming. Laws are supposed to apply to both the rich and connected as well as the poor but as soon as one of the rich guys gets arrested all of a sudden the USA is a police state.

Clooney expected to get arrested as part of the publicity he wants for the issue.

It's a worthy issue, I'm just wondering why Obama hasn't acted on it yet? I bet Clooney expected something to be done soon after Inauguration Day 2009 and he must be disappointed today.

As for there being no oil there, there wasn't any oil when we went into Somalia back in 1992 to feed people and there wasn't any oil in Bosnia when we had to go in to stop the genocide in the mid-90's. Most people here already knew that.


#5149943 Israel and Palestine agree to cease fire after rocket attacks, airstrikes

Posted OzMick on 2012-03-20 15:14:18

View PostGentlemanJim, on 2012-03-20 14:44:34, said:

View PostJingthing, on 2012-03-20 13:26:25, said:

The people firing the rockets into Israel, it's academic what you call them. If they get hit back, they asked for it.

But they don't get hit back, women and children do.

When you fire a rocket at a residential area, and the eye in the sky tracks you home, do you have the right to complain when your family becomes collateral damage?  It's a bit hard to claim the moral high ground when you're starting from an abyss.


#5149523 Israel and Palestine agree to cease fire after rocket attacks, airstrikes

Posted Jingthing on 2012-03-20 13:03:50

View PostGentlemanJim, on 2012-03-20 13:00:31, said:




Big Col

Islam is a religion, Zionism is a political movement.
Oh, please. You don't think the Iranian Islamic revolution was a political movement?!?


#5149505 Israel and Palestine agree to cease fire after rocket attacks, airstrikes

Posted Jingthing on 2012-03-20 12:59:31

View PostGentlemanJim, on 2012-03-20 12:57:35, said:

From the founder of Zionism Theodore Herzl in 1897

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Zionism is not just about a state - Zionism was not, historically, officially a movement to create a "Jewish State." The first Zionist congress in Basle, Switzerland, in 1897  resolved:

Zionism seeks to establish a home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under public law.




Zionism itself is creating a huge divide in the Jewish people. It is a political ideal and has no place in the religious ideal.
This is old news and splitting frizzy hairs, dude. Over 90 percent of Jews in the world fully support the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state. That doesn't mean supporting every policy of the current government of Israel as I'm pretty sure the majority of global Jews are against the West Bank settlement policy.

Israelis do generally say Jewish state, not Zionist state, but keep in mind most Israelis even the liberal ones are most definitely Zionists! Jewish state means homeland for the Jewish PEOPLE. All kinds of Jews, secular and religious.


#5148521 Israel and Palestine agree to cease fire after rocket attacks, airstrikes

Posted OzMick on 2012-03-20 03:49:02

View PostPakboong, on 2012-03-19 14:40:51, said:

View PostOzMick, on 2012-03-18 19:58:13, said:

View PostPakboong, on 2012-03-17 21:44:57, said:

I don't know how I can break this down to a simpler example.

Catapults used during the middle ages in sieges against fortified positions inflicted more casualties and caused more property damage than the 21st century rockets and mortars in us by Hamas out of Gaza against mostly residential areas.

I find it extremely odd that so few seem to see this.

While historically correct, you fail to mention that catapults were used to lunch disease infected bodies (both animal and human) into crowded besieged cities. They were also used to break down walls and gates, not on residential buildings.

Does the fact that your enemy is using pitifully inadequate weapons in any way diminish the fact that he is attacking you with the intent of causing death and destruction? Do you ignore him because his success rate is low and he hasn't killed one of your children YET?
My actual point was/is that the death rate is purposely low. I am sorry if I failed to make that clear to you.
Don't be bloody ridiculous. Crap weapons inherently have a low success rate, but when they hit a kindergarten everybody cheers.

When the counter-strike takes out the launchers and a few of their family, its indiscriminate killing. Cry me a river.


#5145003 Israel and Palestine agree to cease fire after rocket attacks, airstrikes

Posted OzMick on 2012-03-18 19:58:13

View PostPakboong, on 2012-03-17 21:44:57, said:

I don't know how I can break this down to a simpler example.

Catapults used during the middle ages in sieges against fortified positions inflicted more casualties and caused more property damage than the 21st century rockets and mortars in us by Hamas out of Gaza against mostly residential areas.

I find it extremely odd that so few seem to see this.

While historically correct, you fail to mention that catapults were used to lunch disease infected bodies (both animal and human) into crowded besieged cities. They were also used to break down walls and gates, not on residential buildings.

Does the fact that your enemy is using pitifully inadequate weapons in any way diminish the fact that he is attacking you with the intent of causing death and destruction? Do you ignore him because his success rate is low and he hasn't killed one of your children YET?


#5142638 Israel and Palestine agree to cease fire after rocket attacks, airstrikes

Posted chuckd on 2012-03-17 21:52:28

View PostPakboong, on 2012-03-17 21:44:57, said:

I don't know how I can break this down to a simpler example.

Catapults used during the middle ages in sieges against fortified positions inflicted more casualties and caused more property damage than the 21st century rockets and mortars in us by Hamas out of Gaza against mostly residential areas.

I find it extremely odd that so few seem to see this.

I don't believe there were sirens available during the middle ages.

Have you ever experienced the adrenaline rush of hearing a siren knowing there is something incoming and you have no idea where it might land or who it might harm?

If you haven't lived under the duress of being bombarded daily with, however ineffectual they may be, rockets from the enemy, then how can you belittle the fear of living your daily life under that pressure.




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