Tawai

RedNIvar, on 2012-03-22 15:34:43, said:

A meeting place for secret millionaires, ex-SAS, olympic gold medallists, retired muay-thai champions, etc.

Surely this is an advanced press release of an announcement to be made on the first day of April?

elektrified, on 2012-03-01 22:15:52, said:

ummm i would hazard a guess and say that it might be because Falangs arent allowed to own land in Thailand....just a shot in the dark of course

villagefarang, on 2012-03-01 10:06:57, said:

My village too, but enforcement would work. Just like hunting in the national forests. If you want to be nice, first post a warning there is going to be 0 tolerance. Then you arrest a hunter and put him in jail. Next year people think twice about hunting there. Then you arrest another hunter. And before long the good people stop doing it and the criminals are in jail. Burning would be just so easy to enforce. Not only does smoke/fire send a perfect beacon to who is doing it at day/night respectively, but with today's technology satellite imagery can be used to detect every fire being set anywhere in the country instantly. But as I mentioned before, the will is not there. Right or wrong, burning is an accepted cultural practice seen as the most ideal way to deal with waste of all sorts. Getting people to the point that they could correlate that what they are doing puts people in the hospital because of their laziness would be "thinking too much".

One of the reasons I left Chiang Mai was the horrific smog, which was getting worse every year. There is something vaguely amusing about the fact that hill side farmers burn off the forest to raise a few million baht worthy of crops, and cause billions of baht of damage to the tourist industry, as well as harm the health of their fellow Thais living in Chiang Mai. I suggest the government pay some sort of subsidy to stop this burning, and impose massive fines for those that violate it. Interesting to see what the government does. Nothing would be my best guess.....

alstaxi, on 2012-02-03 09:33:41, said:

Hey UK dumps its crazies in the Land of Smiles, why is it so unreasonable for Thai to do the same?

Gawd Blinky..i was thinking to +1 your post because i liked it so much, then i suddenly thought maybe im included in your unintelligent posters list, so better not, as i will just look like a bigger fool. (please dont tell me either way..i wholeheartedly believe that sometimes ignorance is bliss! )

Jingthing, on 2010-09-19 13:57:11, said:

I discovered early on that a lot of advertised veggie food isnt veggie. Ive been vegetarian for 21 years, but I also have a couple of allergies, one being shellfish. I soon found out that shrimp paste was being used in some dishes when my lips started getting itchy and then *bam* DUCKLIPS! Sounds comical, but actually takes a couple of days for the swelling to go down, is often painful, and the allergy unfortunately gets worse with every reaction..so im very cautious about what and where i eat. Last reaction i had trouble breathing and took a long time for the swelling to subside even though i carry medication on me and take it as soon as i feel any reaction. I dont want to have to carry around a Epipen, but might need to just in case. So.. i never trust "vegetarian" food here unless im absolutely sure of how the food is cooked. Although i agree about taking responsibility for our own food choices and needs, at the same time i feel that restaurants that advertise that dishes are vegetarian should take responsibility in really understanding what they are offering..and be true to it. If you buy a toy that says "safe for small children", "non toxic" etc, you generally put faith in the manufacturer. There are many things we put faith in, and anyone/any place with some sense of responsibility will not fob their customers off, try to trick them, or have no consideration for them. But...as i said..i just dont trust places here, so i am careful, and if im in company that mainly eats meat, i will go wherever they go and eat something like fruit. The problem however in that case is that people start fussing about what i should be eating and that does my head in. Just wish people would leave my food choices alone. I dont tell them what they should and shouldnt eat!

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Side note: and those who clicked minus on my rep just because i was doing my job as mod..well, thanks for shooting the messenger. Rather petty however, but fine.

Honestly I don't understand the whole story - if you are intolerant to pork - why would you object to a "Beef" stock used in a Tom Yum?

Secondly why would there be beef stock in a Tom Yum?? - Tom Yum is mostly served as Tom Yum Goong, Tom Yum Tale  so mostly fish or seafood - nobody would use beef stock in a seafood broth.

Some people order Tom Yum Gai which would then be prepared with chicken stock  but I have never heard about a Tom Yum Pork or Beef ?? The distinctive "Tom Yum" taste comes from the lemon grass and Nam Prik Pow - containing no meat at all.

"When our Tom Yum came out we noticed it had a beef broth." We pointed this out to the waitress who acknowledged this to be true then" - how did you "notice" it was a beef broth - and how would a- presumably - Thai waitress know the detailed ingredients of a dish served? Service personnel in Thailand does not usually get this kind of training.

While I can not understand the reaction of the owner and his staff - he should not have taken a threatening position towards you and your wife - but I somehow have the feeling you did not tell us the whole story here.

I have never heard about an intolerance to Pork unless it is a religious matter.  Throughout my professional life I had meetings with people who are Vegetarians, Vegans, Lactose intolerant, Gluten intolerant, Diabetics, people who suffer from different allergies and other special dietary needs - to discuss there needs in detail  and problems they encounter when leaving their homes to travel or dine out.

While many have genuine problems and concerns, but also many positive experiences with regards to places catering to  their special needs -  I have heard countless negative experiences just because some of these people now assume the rest of the world caters to them - which is not so.

They have lost themselves all tolerance when things go wrong. They develope an additude of  "I have an intolerance, I am different, I am  special". Because there is an industry out there in the West  which now caters to them and makes a lot of money doing so, they presume they can expect special treatment wherever they go and have become very demanding but are not willing to pay extra for their "special requests" which can be very challenging for restaurants not prepared to cater to such special needs.

This causes unnecessary encounters like the one above. If you have - for whatever reason - the need for a special diet you should inquire - in detail - with the waiter or restaurant manager before you order to make sure the restaurant will be able to handle your request - if not go somewhere else. And you should not assume especially in a small restaurant in Thailand that they understand what you want if you defer from the regular menu.

Last but not least  Thailand  is all about face  - and this is probably what caused the problem in the first place. In this country you do not complain especially about small matters - if the dishes are not to your liking you leave them untouched (of course you are still expected to pay for them!) and never return to the place again - you do not cause a commotion or loss of face to somebody in public - but your Thai wife should know that.

Finally attitude - mistakes happen - get over it, accept them with a smile - sometimes a little joke will help, never get angry, always stay friendly and you won't have any problems anywhere in Thailand.

Onidzuka, on 2010-09-19 08:19:10, said:

Jeeze give the guy a break... she is Thai and he felt that she could handle it better 'the Thai way' - I agree with him. I'm sure he didn't leave her in danger - get real - this was a minor blow up by a selfish and arrogant owner not 'Gunfight at the OK Coral' or whereever it was .

I hate it when people post and then are 'whacked' for it - he was obviously at the end of a Thai Tirade - and he is reporting the event - good for him! hey OP forget all these negative comments - thanks for reporting.

GoneNative wrote:

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Sawasdee Khrup, Khun GoneNative,

Sorry to see you have not received a bit more sympathy on this thread. What happpened, whatever its cause, is deplorable, and undoubtedly traumatic for you and your wife. And, the owner's behavior is reprehensible.

Agree that the title is somewhat mis-leading in that you were not "beaten up;" technically, however, you were "assaulted" the moment the restaurant owner laid hands on you and/or shoved you. In America, given police presence, and third-party witnesses on the scene willing to speak up, you could possibly have seen the owner arrested.

As to your stepping outside to let your wife handle the details, this may have been a very wise move on your part: since we can hypothesize that there might have been a "male-male" thing in the owner's getting enraged. But, since you describe the owner as "unloading" on your wife, not you, that's probably a weak hypothesis.

Another hypothesis: "straw that broke the camel's back," or: "wrong place, wrong time." You just have might have been there when the owner was full of frustration and rage about many other things in his personal life, or business, and you were the spark that triggered the explosion. The kind of random urban violence and "road rage" that happens in America ? The kind of uproar for which there is no "why ?" ?

In any case, we hope the memories of this event soon fade, and you are back in the state of "sabai sabai" in a restaurant you know you can trust to serve genuinely veg food.

best, ~o:37;

Would this not make the overstayers decide to stay even longer instead of actually leaving. If you had an overstayer that was planning to leave and go home, what incentive does he/she have to leave now? Amazing how people react to these things. People act as if Thailand is the only place on earth that has people overstay their visa. Lets see this for what it is...BS! Could you imagine if the UK or USA jailed an illegal immigrant as he was trying to LEAVE with the fine money in hand. A society is judged on how they treat the poor and incarcerated.

Why give an amnesty - if you overstay then you have broken the law. You do not do it accidentally you set out to do it so take the punishment. I am all for the law being applied fairly and firmly. A period in the slammer would at least go some way to making sure these people do not do it again but I think it should be a day for day punishment overstay 50 days then 50 days inside. Blacklisting is pointless as it only ensures that the passport does not return to the kingdom it does nothing to stop the person getting a new passport and re-entering under a new name etc etc.

As soon as Thailand does something positriver everyone thinks they do it for money - well I can asure you that most countries have strict immigration laws and they apply them - Thailand tolerates foreigners and we should never forget we are mere visitors in the kingdom and should act accordingly.

Put them in the slammer day for day.

I would think they are working the streets because there is no work at the bars, and they have come to Pattaya, so now they need to survive. I havent been bothered by them much, but of course if your walking the whole beach, then its a bit tiresome to hear "hello sir, i can go wit u?" The problem is, if you walk on the other side of the street, then someone is trying to shake your hand, and I like that a lot less. or "u want buy shirt?" special price". so take your pick, TiT.

For the next poll, you can ask if we would like to get the fat old farangs, without shirts on, off the beach road.

sounds a bit like this guy