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In Topic: Thai Law Voiding Verdicts To Be Tabled

Today, 15:54

View Postphiphidon, on Today, 10:10 , said:

View Postrubl, on Today, 01:07 , said:

As suggested by that nice chap and esteemed member phiphidon, I have done some reading of Michael H. Nelson's work. Some indeed very omnious, like this from December 2005, only the begin copied, follow the link for the complete article.

"Thailand and Thaksin Shinawatra: From Election Triumph to Political Decline
by Michael H. Nelson
eastasia.at
Vol. 4, No. 2, December 2005
ISSN 1684-629X

Before the latest general election on 6 February 2005, critical political observers had perceived Thailand's incumbent prime minister, Thaksin Shinawatra, as a threat to the country's fledgling democracy.[ii] It seemed that (for reasons of centralizing personal power) he did not accept the democratic rules of the game, but rather tried to narrow down the public political space, infiltrate the constitutional checks-and-balances system, and control the public access to information regarding the government's performance. This was accompanied by the implementation of a multitude of 'populist' policies that accrued tangible benefits to the great majority of voters. They repaid Thaksin's performance at the helm of government with an overwhelming election triumph. Even the voters in Bangkok, who were considered politically sophisticated and thus perhaps inclined to counter any authoritarian tendencies, convincingly backed Thaksin. Only the South withheld support, largely because of the government's mishandling of the Muslim insurgency, such as the incidents at Krue Se mosque and the Tak Bai police station, which cost dozens of lives.

Corruption and cronyism

With a majority of 375 to 125 seats in the House of Representatives, one could thus have expected the continued smooth running of the country by following Thai Rak Thai's election slogan 'Four years of repairs – four years of construction.' It is all the more surprising that, at the end of 2005, Thaksin's rule seems to rest on shaky grounds."
http://www.eastasia....2/article01.htm


Note that tiny word in the beginning sentence, in front of political observers, "Critical" political observers. But it is good that you have read the papers of the man you disparaged earlier as just a "visiting scholar" and see fit to post some of his output. At the end of that text he wrote this;

"Finally, some thought ought to be given to the question of what and who might come after Thaksin".

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In the Thai context, the problem of giving too much power to one group was seen as one the fundamental flaws of the 1997 Constitution. The argument was that the concentration of power in the executive, as existed under Thaksin, led to many abuses..............

..................So what was the drafters solution? Give more power to the judiciary and bureaucrats to control the elected politicians. Here is an  English translation from the Highlights of the Draft Constitution B.E. 2550 from the CDA:





Members of the Senate will be free from the dominance of political parties since they will be selected from provinces and, separately, from occupational groups (Section 106), not through election which is prone to political meddling. With the proposed selection process, Thai politics will cease to be the exclusive preserve of elected politicians, but will belong to the people from diverse backgrounds, areas, occupations, and genders while opening up opportunities to the socially underprivileged as well (Section 108 paragraph two).


COMMENT: Yes, "political meddling" no need for pesky elections.

Here is Thitinan (cache):





A seven-member panel comprising the heads of two state agencies, anti-graft and election commissions along with three courts are to vet the senatorial appointments. The 160 appointed senators _ one for each of the country's 76 provinces and 84 others _ are supposed (but not guaranteed) to represent a diverse and balanced range of professions.
In turn, the Senate is tasked with endorsing the nomination and selection of the most senior members of these agencies. Such an arrangement may lead to quid-pro-quo outcomes and collusion in high places.



I have summarised the Senate provisions below:




From s106, there will be 160 Senators who will be appointed by HM the King from a recommendation/offer from the Selection Committee.
From s107, the Selection Committee shall comprise of the President of the Constitution Court, President of the Election Commission, President/Chairman of the National Counter Corruption Commission, Parliamentary Ombudsman, Auditor-General, one representative of the Supreme Court, and one representative of the Supreme Administrative Court.
From s108, the Selection Committee will select from the Senators as follows (1) select one appropriate person from each province from a pool of applicants, and (2) selection appropriate persons from names recommended/offered from various organisations (องค์กรต่าง ๆ) in the academic, private, government, professional, and other sectors.
In choosing the Senators, the Selection Committee shall take into account their knowledge and expertise or experience who will help carrying out the work of the Senate. When selecting those with knowledge, it should be knowledge from different fields. Also, equality of the sexes and giving opportunities from those lacked opportunities.
NOTE: Under s256, government officials can't be Senators so I assume what they mean by the "government sector" is retired government officials.


COMMENT: So will guard us from the guardians? As Thitinan states they choose each other and are accountable only to each other..........

............ Suriyasai Katasila, secretary-general of the Campaign for Popular Democracy:





...the charter had both strengths and weaknesses but the task ahead was to raise the level of the people's participation in politics. He attacked the increased authority and role of the judiciary as a weak point of the charter.
"I don't believe the courts are the answer to a sustainable solution and don't believe the courts can be accountable under the charter."



An academic on one of the most serious problems behind the new powers which will be held by the judiciary:



[i]"They are giving power to the courts and in the end things will not be negotiable, because they will claim to be doing it in the name of the King and those criticising the court may be held for contempt of court," said Naruemon Tabchumpon, a political scientist at Chulalongkorn University.



http://bangkokpundit...s-custodes.html

So, in effect Thailand has gone from one (perceived) extreme to another and nothing but 5/6 years of grief to show for it. Thaksin could arguably be said to be the catalyst (but as others have said he was "made" by the existing power brokers, the amart) but the Coup and the problems from then on was certainly the reaction..


Although that opinion piece gives an interesting personal perspective on the the political life of Thaksin so far.  However, its fair to say its not definative as it contains no verified facts or citations, as such you are right to back away from your assertation that Thaksin was the Prime Minister of Thailand in June 2006.

In Topic: Thai Law Voiding Verdicts To Be Tabled

Yesterday, 23:35

View Postphiphidon, on Yesterday, 22:44 , said:

View Postwaza, on Yesterday, 20:49 , said:

View Postphiphidon, on Yesterday, 15:54 , said:

He had not resigned. He stated he was not going to seek the PM's post in the coming election, the October 15th 2006 election that was royally endorsed that you neglect to mention  http://app.mfa.gov.s....asp?View,4889, . This date was later postponed because of a clash with Ramadan. The Senate selected 4 Senior Judges and a Deputy Attorney General on September 8th 2006 to become the new Election Commissioners. So all was going ahead for an election until the Coup..................

Sure sounds like he resigned...........
April 5 (Bloomberg) -- Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra said he will step down as premier after his declared victory in a weekend election failed to resolve a political standoff that crippled his government.
Thaksin, 56, speaking in a live television broadcast in Bangkok late yesterday, said he will stay on as interim prime minister until a new leader is chosen, after meeting with the country's King Bhumibol Adulyadej. Thaksin said he will retain his leadership of the Thai Rak Thai party and remain a member of parliament. http://www.bloomberg...=top_world_news
Thaksin announced on 4 April 2006 that he would not accept the post of Prime Minister after Parliament reconvened, but would continue as Caretaker Prime Minister until then.[136]
He then delegated his functions to Caretaker Deputy Prime Minister Chidchai Wannasathit, moved out of Government House, and went on vacation.   http://en.wikipedia....ksin_Shinawatra
April 4 (Bloomberg) -- Thailand's Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra said he will step down from his position, 14 months after securing the most decisive election victory in the kingdom's democratic history.

Thaksin, 56, speaking in a live television broadcast at a press conference in Bangkok tonight, said he will stay on as interim prime minister until a new leader is chosen. He met with the country's King Bhumibol Adulyadej this afternoon. http://t2.thai360.co...prime-minister/
The reference you posted, http://app.mfa.gov.s....asp?View,4889, is interesting but what does it have to do with Thaksin resigning?

Read it again. You will notice things like the King adressing a hand written note to Prime Minister Thaksin at the same time as the royal decree was signed in July 2006, the long anecdote about Thaksin not making his mind up about whether to take a rest from Politics, his statement that he would not seek the PM's job should he win the October election, the fact that all political parties were actively campaigning for the October election all show that the coup took place between elections - even Abhisit stated that. The EC were blamed and imprisoned for the failed April Election and the King stepped in.

That is the point, there is nothing in there about Thaksin resigning because he didn't.


Perhaps this will help, from a website even anti Thaksin/Red Shirts approve of;

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2006
I will not accept post of premier in the next government : Thaksin – The Nation, April 4, 2006
Thai premier to take “political break” – Reuters, April 4, 2006

[This incident in 2006 is more a case of the local press printing wildly inaccurate headlines. In this instance, Thaksin has not resigned, but simply pledged not to be PM in the next government. On the Bangkok Post website on April 4, 2006: The headline was "Thaksin: Why should I resign?" and directly to the right was the breaking news article entitled "THAKSIN RESIGNS."]

http://2bangkok.com/...-yet-again.html
Ok so you have 1 one article that provides no proof except Michael H. Nelson'sa word that Thaksin was PM in june 2006 when even Thaksin himself says he resigned in April 2006.........
Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra announced he would step down to reunite the country, following weeks of mass protests demanding his resignation and a controversial election which the opposition boycotted.
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Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra reacts to a question during a press conference at Government House in Bangkok. Thaksin announced he would step down to reunite the country, following weeks of mass protests demanding his resignation and a controversial election which the opposition boycotted.[AFP]
The former telecoms tycoon made the announcement in a 10-minute televised live statement just hours after meeting the nation's revered King Bhumibol Adulyadej and after his political rivals rejected any compromise.
"I will not accept the post of prime minister when the parliament convenes," said Thaksin.
"My reason for not accepting the post of prime minister is because this year in an auspicious year for the king, whose 60th anniversary on the throne is just 60 days away," he said.
"I beg all Thais to sacrifice for the king. I apologize to my 16 million supporters that I cannot take the post of prime minister."
Thaksin said he would carry on as caretaker until a successor was chosen, and would remain a member of parliament and leader of the Thai Rak Thai (Thais Love Thais) party.
He hugged his daughters and wept on their shoulders after the statement.
Protests demanding Thaksin's resignation began in February after his family made 1.9 billion dollars tax free from selling their shares in Shin Corp., the telecoms firm he founded before entering politics. http://www.chinadail...tent_560290.htm
and.........
April 5 (Bloomberg) -- Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra said he will step down as premier after his declared victory in a weekend election failed to resolve a political standoff that crippled his government.
Thaksin, 56, speaking in a live television broadcast in Bangkok late yesterday, said he will stay on as interim prime minister until a new leader is chosen, after meeting with the country's King Bhumibol Adulyadej. Thaksin said he will retain his leadership of the Thai Rak Thai party and remain a member of parliament.
http://www.bloomberg...=top_world_news

Who would you believe?

In Topic: Doi Suthep Cable Car Proposed (Again)

Yesterday, 23:27

View PostMaejo Man, on Yesterday, 23:22 , said:

View Posthellodolly, on Yesterday, 23:11 , said:

Ya modernize the hill tribe sites so the tourists can see the real hill tribe villages. As far as the cable car goes I think it would be a good idea. The advertizing in foreign countries would really eat that up.

Take a cable car up the mountain to visit the ancient temple of Doi Souket. Haven't a clue if I spell it rite but I am sure some spelling police man will let me know. LOL

With the added risk of a crash too, which  killed how many tourists last time? The time before was only  a handful and hardly worth mentioning!!!!
The temple of Doi Suthep is one of Chiang Mai's most visited landmarks that were until a couple of years ago, when tragedy struck. The cable pulling the small funicular train up the hill from the road to the temple and controlled its descent snapped sending it crashing down the hill resulting in many injuries.

In Topic: Pheu Thai Faces Hard Decision On Unity Bill

Yesterday, 22:22

Hmmm seem the thaksin whitewash bill is a hot potato, too hot for the PT party.  If the oposition to the bill is strenuous enough they might put it in the too hard basket and carry on without him, after all he is a liability.

In Topic: PM Yingluck Tells Deep South Of Govt's Plans To Restore Peace In Region

Yesterday, 22:08

Hmmm how long before Yinglucks initiative will bear fruit and be declared another success?

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