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First the root of the conflicts are coming from the 70's when Bangkok has decided to centralised the 3 sultanates, which until this time were beneficiary of certain autonomy. Bangkok has implemented its own administration, replacing the traditional local ones (and getting out of work local influent family).
To be noticed that those 3 sultanates have never been part of Malaysia
To be noticed (some are confusing that Malay is a race and Malaysian are citizens of Malaysia- Malaysia citizens are 60% of Malays, 30% of Chinese and 10% of others- particularly Indians)
The horrible massacre of Tak Bai has reshuffle a conflict which was on the extinction path.
Religions have nothing to do initially with the reasons of the conflict, but some separatists play with that in order to enlarge their support to all Muslims. We should not be trapped.
Religion issues should be kept aside, and westerners should make the difference between moderate sunni muslims, (the vast majority), chiites and extremists. We have known such antagonisms and bloody conflicts between Christians, and centuries have been necessary for cooling the fires and reaching a relative peaceful maturity (unfortunately still some resurgences from time to time). Because in our history, we have known analog periods to what is happening here, we should take some altitudes and work for cooling the minds on both sides. Enough blood and lost lifes, we have to work in order it ends.
The solution is through negotiations and discussions with good will people from both sides: the Malay community and the Thai Administration/ Government. As farangs, observers of what is happening, indirectly involved by our in law families, it is our duty to try to cool down the minds and pull everybody on a reasonable track and not to participate to the excitation.
My 3 cents

englishinsiam, on 2012-04-02 21:27:19, said:

Sadly wherever you get Christians in great numbers you get war and oppression.
Sadly wherever you get Europeans in great numbers you get war and oppression.
Sadly wherever you get oppression in great numbers you get war...
Sadly....

hellodolly, on 2012-04-03 01:48:05, said:

Where are there not Muslims? There are Muslims all over Thailand. 60% of the people on Phuket are Muslim. Just keep away from tourist spots and the deep South. That is the recipe for safety here.  No I am a communist from Broken Hill Australia where you are brought up to believe any killing is wrong. It is Western nations that justify their killings in the name of the civilized. Where in fact they are savages. It's something you mister will have to live with the rest of your life by condoning these murders of Muslims. To quote Shakespeare, "You have blood on your hands"

englishinsiam, on 2012-04-02 21:27:19, said:

Funnily enough, I feel for the good Malay people having to live under Thai oppression since 1909.

cgphuket, on 2012-04-01 10:15:30, said:

Not quite.

Islamic jihadists/extremists, have murdered just under 300 people in Europe over 30 years since 1982. The main incidents were the El Descano bombing, Spain,1985 (18 dead); 1995 Paris Metro bombings (8); 2004 Madrid train bombings (191); 2005 London bombings (52); and Merah's brutal spree, 2012 (7).

By comparison during the same 30 year period 1227 people were murdered during the conflict in Northern Ireland, even though it officially ended with the Good Friday Agreement in 1998 (1220 died 1982-1998).

Therefore over 4x as many people were murdered by socialist/catholic/"loyalist"/protestant extremists in 16 years just in a corner of the UK, compared to the number of people murdered by muslim extremists across the whole of Europe in 30 years.

You could do a similar exercise comparing murders by Islamic extremists in N. America (including 11th Sept 2001) over the same 30 years, with the drug war in Mexico since 2006 for another cold dose of reality. To give you an idea the casualty figures in the Mexican drug war currently stand at somewhere between 47,000-60,000 dead in less than 6 years, and Mexico was the bloodiest conflict in the world last year. Over 30 years islamists/islamist-inspired murderers have been responsible for the death of 37 people in the USA plus the 2977 killed on 11 September 2001. An average of almost 10,000 dead a year ( or 8000/year to take the lower estimate) in Mexico, against 100 a year killed by islamists.

I have no desire to belittle terrorism or murders committed by any group, but just seek to put things in context and perspective, otherwise demonization of any group only serves to further the terrorists intentions and help create their desired clash of civilizations.

If the murderers who committed these crimes in Pattani are really all about domination and taking control, please name me a single non-Muslim nation that has been been "captured" by jihadist/extremist muslims since the heyday of the Ottoman Empire in the 18th Century.

Claiming that the conflict in the southern provinces is solely to do with religion is as credible as saying that the conflict in N. Irleand is solely about religion. It certainly plays its part, but there's a lot more to it.

super.excellent.jihad.ending.all.life?

This whole struggle is about the US trying to prop up its debt ridden  economy by convincing the world that they still need to use the US dollar. Once the world starts to think otherwise then all that printing by fiat becomes even more worthless. One of the main reasons why the Iranians are considered a threat is because of their willingness to trade oil for gold or some other form of currency. This is one of the principle reasons why Iraq was attacked (Saddam decided to trade Iraqi oil for Euros), Libya (Gaddafi was proposing to trade his oil for Gold). It is almost pointless reading the Western media these days, they just seem to be a propaganda arm for Western policy. If we want a more peaceful world then we need to have a balance of power, not a world where the US is the dominant power  trying to tell everyone what to do. The Iranians will never use a nuclear weapon as it would mean total obliteration for them, a nuclear weapon would also act as a deter-ant against US and Israeli aggression-- after all Iran has not started a war in 400 years, how many have the US started?

xavierr, on 2012-02-16 15:53:55, said:

why do you assume it is religiously motivated as opposed to politically motivated ?  do you know something we don't?

Ulysses G., on 2012-02-15 12:25:07, said:

Does botched "targeted assasination" go down better? It seems that there are many countries that implicitly condone the assassination of their enemies (military, paramilitary or civilian) on the soil of third party countries.

Seems these guys were as competent as the 'shoe bomber' and the 'underpant bomber'. Iran has a very proficient and professional military and as it is always toted as being a regime that trains terrorists, then if these chaps are an example of their finest then if I were leader of a terrorist organization,  I would be sending my terrorists elsewhere to be trained that's for sure. This is all too convenient. I am still staggered by those on this forum that see a guy lobbing a few grenades around as an excuse to go to a massive war, I doubt you would be so quick on the draw if your kids were going to be sent to do the fighting.

Attacking India, Georgia and Thailand is nice. Three countries up at the very top of the corruption index, whose officials and heads of media will say anything for a deposit in a private bank account. I expect Mr no legs and his companion will be out of country soon having been extradited for some other terrorist charge. That way, no tricky answers to tricky questions. Lets catch the terrorists, I am all for it, but we may need to dig a little deeper to find out who they are.


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EXACTLY!!!! India have just done a deal to buy up spare oil that Europe is not going to take from the start of the sanctions. So you would then send terrorists to that same country to stir up the crap with a major trade ally??? Make sense??...NO!

Jingthing, on 2012-02-15 14:56:48, said:

LMAO -- it is okay for you to ignorantly accuse and slam entire countries and their people but whine like a child if somebody speaks ill of Israel.  It is this type of thinking that is responsible for attacks and wars .. the ignorant belief that because you believe you are on the right side it entitles you to act stupidly and to do what you condemn others for doing.

''Thaksin Urges Thais to Love Each Other Via Skype''

Thaksin must have shares in Skype.........

...for a second, I thought, this would be about Cyber- Sex!

animatic, on 2012-02-15 12:36:51, said:

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzusss.

http://en.wikipedia....2%80%93Iraq_War

That reminded me of how Poland attacked Germany in 1933, starting WW2.

Or do you mean, after Iraq started the war, Iran refused to surrender for 7 years and hence their aggressiveness is proven in your eyes?

Again, would that make England the major cause for the millions of war dead in WW2?

Jingthing, on 2012-02-15 11:41:34, said:

Are you really so emotional over this incident that you can recognize obvious sarcasm and feel a need to express such nonsense when I was simply and logically pointing out that there is NOTHING to link these people to being part of or agents of the Iran government.