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Well a lot of differing opinions and perceptions here.
MC stands for Motorcycle Club, so saying MC club is the same as saying Motorcycle Club club. The same as ATM machine, Automatic Teller Machine machine. Doesn't make sense.
The reason that these clubs are registered as clubs and have MC on their jackets is it negated attempts to stop the mass gatherings of people by governments.
If you think that a stint in a Thai jail will deter these guys from doing business here read up on the land scams in Samui. The person involved did some time while waiting for trial from what I remember the key witness(es) couldn't be found for the court case and it was all dropped. Millions of dollars (if my memory seves me right) were involved. The people involved are still walking the streets here in Thailand.
Draw your own conclusions. These guys are not amatures and keeping a low profile only works to their advantage.
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In Topic: Thai Cabinet Approves Ban On Imports Of Used Vehicles
2012-04-18 20:03:47
EvilDrSomkid, on 2012-04-18 16:12:14, said:
overherebc, on 2012-04-18 13:55:57, said:
Am I allowed to cut and paste from the newspaper ?
If not this is what I read today,
The government has banned the import of used body parts for passenger cars and motorcycles to prevent tax evasion while the Transport Minister has banned the registration of cars assembled fro spare parts
If not this is what I read today,
The government has banned the import of used body parts for passenger cars and motorcycles to prevent tax evasion while the Transport Minister has banned the registration of cars assembled fro spare parts
Does this really mean I cannot import spare parts for my Audi anymore?
Not second hand ones anyway new parts should be ok
In Topic: 'If The Justice System Is Strong, We Will Have Peace,' Chairman Belie...
2012-04-10 01:38:25
silsburyhill, on 2012-04-09 13:27:29, said:
RigPig, on 2012-04-09 12:21:53, said:
The system (corruption) is too endemic now and repairing it would take a revolution. The police have too much power here and you have no recourse without suffering some consequenses. They need to start with the basics first. Policemen not wearing helmets when riding their bikes, lead by example. If a policeman in our countries was blatently seen thumbing his nose at the law it would make every newspaper in the country. The Farang is always guilty. The police decide these things and innocent or not you have no recourse. If they say you caused the accident and you know you didn't if you stick to your guns you are likely to wait in the police lock up until a court case can be arranged. This could be indefinate.
How can you fix the big things when you can't fix the small things. We all know of someone who has been "wronged" by the law here. The police's job is not to make the law but to uphold it, fairly. Thais have no respect for the law whatsoever and it is no surprise.
Yeah it's great to be able to slip someone a few baht to get what you want but it is a double edged sword and you can't have your cake and eat it. I would be a lier if I said I hadn't done it. Personally I would rather see it go the other way. I like to know where I stand and not leave thing s up to chance and who paid the most first.
Unfortunately these things start at the top of the tree not the bottom. It will never happen, but until it does Thai society and the peoples rights will always be compromised.
I guess we just accept it for what it is and just "play the game" or move on. The problem with that is we also then become part of the problem.
My 2 cents worth
How can you fix the big things when you can't fix the small things. We all know of someone who has been "wronged" by the law here. The police's job is not to make the law but to uphold it, fairly. Thais have no respect for the law whatsoever and it is no surprise.
Yeah it's great to be able to slip someone a few baht to get what you want but it is a double edged sword and you can't have your cake and eat it. I would be a lier if I said I hadn't done it. Personally I would rather see it go the other way. I like to know where I stand and not leave thing s up to chance and who paid the most first.
Unfortunately these things start at the top of the tree not the bottom. It will never happen, but until it does Thai society and the peoples rights will always be compromised.
I guess we just accept it for what it is and just "play the game" or move on. The problem with that is we also then become part of the problem.
My 2 cents worth
It should be remembered that the majority of the local population are tired of this 'who has the most money' system and are perhaps are at long last attempting to do something about it, albeit announcing the idea with a copied Obama slogan, in typical Thai fashion. Yes we are are rightfully cynical, but I wish them luck. They're going to need it.
True but from my experiences with most of them they are only interested in the change when it suits their immediate needs. Justice itself is irrelevent because to them this has just become a way of life.
A friend of mine hit a Thai on a bike, he was riding a Harley (so was I and was with him at the time). The Thai turned across in front of him and stopped (decided to move from where he was off the left side of the road and turn down a side street on the right, on a main road). He was 3 up, no one had helmets and guess what..... It cost my friend 4000 Baht, more than the bike they were riding was worth! I guess he never got it all by the time it was divied up but it was obvious and despite being with our Thai girlfriends and with them protesting he was in the wrong. The alternative to this was spending time in the local lock up.
What ever happened to "Justise must not only be done it must be seen to be done"
This is the whole problem from Thaksin down to Somchai. There is no sense of justise only what can be gained.
As I said earlier, the police are there to enforce the law not make it, at least that is my sense of justise / right and wrong. This is why we have courts, judges and solicitors /lawyers.
By the way I also live in Phuket and have not noticed any change either in attitudes or fair play. I reasantly had an altercation with a Thai next to my shop and the landlord of his shop who is a close friend of the landlord of my shop couldn't stop him building a wall across the back and stopping the people I had in my rooms for rent accessing their rooms. Even though they owned the building. They were too scared to cross hi as he already had the police in his pocket. One lady was bricked in and couldn't get out and 2 others couldn't get to their belongings including their passports!
Oh well it is what it is I guess. As long as Thais shun away from confrontation it will continue. I mean students are too scared to question their teachers (loss of face) and the teachers will not fail anyone (same reason). They are shown that this is life from an early age and know no different.
I don't think anything serious is going to happen any time soon. I must admit I am used to it too now and just go with the flow.
Just as a side note I wonder what percentage of Thais that use the roads actually have drivers licenses? They will not do the right thing if it does not suit them personally. Start fixing the small things and the bigger issues will fall into place, eventually.
