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In Topic: Bangkok: Huge Turnout Expected At Red-Shirt Rally Today

2012-05-24 15:30:34

View Postrixalex, on 2012-05-24 14:50:45, said:

View Posthyperdimension, on 2012-05-24 13:32:39, said:

But did you ever talk about Thaksin with the Red Shirt devotees? Surely they would have been happy to talk about him with you. Or is what they said about Thaksin too embarrassing for you to discuss with us here, as we would just laugh?
You'll find most red sympathisers are generally much less happy discussing Thaksin and his role in all of this, than they used to be, back in those heady days when they were still defending him. Still remain a few stragglers who take it upon themselves to argue against the rising tide of contradicting information and evidence, but they are in the minority. The rest have come to the sorry realisation that that particular fight is a lost cause. Talking about him can only weaken their argument. The strategy now is to avoid discussions of him at all cost, and to pretend that he is no longer relevant or important, despite the fact that at every red gathering, his face and name can be seen everywhere you turn.

Despite rumblings of discontent, he still remains massively popular with the vast majority of red shirts, and you'll see this should he ever pluck up the courage to return as he will receive a heroes welcome, even from those who now express some dissent. Almost to a man, they'll fall dutifully back in line in fear that to not do so, might mean missing out on whatever rewards he dishes out, or even worse, be on the receiving end of some punishment.

How visible was his image throughout this most recent red shirt rally?

This much

But I guess he's just copying a very tried and tested formulae here in Thaila.

In Topic: Bangkok: Huge Turnout Expected At Red-Shirt Rally Today

2012-05-22 12:55:44

View Postnicknostitz, on 2012-05-22 10:54:05, said:

View PostInsight, on 2012-05-22 09:16:58, said:

View Postnicknostitz, on 2012-05-21 15:27:43, said:

View PostInsight, on 2012-05-21 13:56:17, said:

Serious question, Nick....

It's pretty clear that the red shirts don't want Thailand and the rest of the world to forget about those who were killed during the clampdown of May 2010. Clearly a lot of resources have gone into planning this memorial event for the 91 deaths which occurred throughout the protest and clampdown.

Why is there no similar memorial to commemorate the deaths of the red shirts allegedly killed during the army clampdown of the red shirt protests in 2009? Specifically those allegedly killed at Din Deang, an event you were apparently an eyewitness to...? Surely the people who were killed in this clampdown should also be remembered?

Has the exact death tool from this action by the army even been established yet? It has been over three years now.

What is your point?
How many times shall it be repeated that there is no proof that Red Shirts were killed in the 2009 crackdown by the military? There are suspicions that a few may have been killed, but no names and clear enough evidence.
That doesn't mean though that Red Shirts do not talk about what they label as 'Bloody Songkran' - they do.
There are even memorial events still over Numthong - the taxi driver who committed suicide in protest of the coup in late 2006.
English language mainstream local media here in Thailand reports does not reflect the level of discussion under Red Shirts, the Red Shirt movement's diversified structures and only reports a tiny fraction of events. It is not the foreign media's job to report on every detail of this conflict.
Again - what is your point?

A question that would have a point now, which though nobody here has asked so far, is how Red Shirt protesters have felt when listening to Thaksin's speech at the Rajaprasong event two days ago. The answer is - to a large part they were very disappointed. I leave it to you to find out what Thaksin has said, and why protesters were/are disappointed, a feeling that has already begun after the Siam Reap speech.

Well we all know that the red shirts don't really need much in the way of solid evidence to hold a commemoration. It's common knowledge on this forum the figure of 91 deaths often repeated at this rally and others includes the deaths of military personnel, civilians and even people protesting against the red shirts! Even throughout the course of this thread we've seen attempts to increase this figure further using more unsubstantiated claims (I believe these posts have since been deleted).

As you highlight, the red shirts call the 2009 clampdown "Bloody Songkran"; they believe a number of people were killed at Din Daeng and then all bodies disposed of somehow by the army. The last time I mentioned this to you on the forum, philw even went as far as to say a simple Google search would remove any doubts I had of this event. It might not have been stated specifically by you, but other red shirts certainly believe that Col Romklao was targeted by the UDD for presiding over these deaths.

If these deaths did happen, then surely they deserve just as much attention as those which occurred on all sides during April and May 2010...? Perhaps even more so, as - according to red shirt lore - these alleged deaths are the first heavy-handed act of suppression by their nemesis, the Royal Thai Army. But it seems now if there was any memorial at all for these those fallen, it was probably a low-key event not worthy of mainstream media attention....?

You state in your last post "There are suspicions that a few may have been killed, but no names and clear enough evidence." - is this an attempt to play down what is alleged to of occurred during the clampdown of 2009? Despite avoiding bullets flying by, you didn't witness anybody injured by these bullets in the crowd of people running from them?

Why do you have to pester me with these quite irrelevant questions?

No, i do not "play down" anything. No, i have no proof of any dead, only witness accounts of a few dead.
No, i haven't seen any injured, i was busy running away. But that there were several injured is proven beyond doubt - last year two of them who were maimed for life there got in a civil case against the army large sums of money awarded by the court. I am not up to date with the criminal case, but believe it is still somewhat stalled.
I am not a Red Shirt, or one of their leaders, you should ask them about what deserves attention.

It is disappointing you find these questions irrelevant. I was just wondering if you, as somebody who is undeniably closer to the red movement than us, and carries "all the luggage of humanism", can offer any perspective on why these alleged deaths have now apparently been discarded to the sands of time by the red shirt leaders? Instead your defensive responses to this query have shades of being removed from your comfort zone.

It is interesting however that although we know some people are adamant people were killed, nobody seems to know any of their identities. Neither can I find any eyewitness accounts from anybody who wishes to be identified. "Several" people were apparently injured by the army. I won't bother asking for specifics, but that vague figure pales massively compared to the 834 injured on April 10th 2010.

The targeted attack on Col Romklao is now sounding like a very cold-blooded act of aggression by the UDD indeed.

In Topic: Bangkok: Huge Turnout Expected At Red-Shirt Rally Today

2012-05-22 09:16:58

View Postnicknostitz, on 2012-05-21 15:27:43, said:

View PostInsight, on 2012-05-21 13:56:17, said:

Serious question, Nick....

It's pretty clear that the red shirts don't want Thailand and the rest of the world to forget about those who were killed during the clampdown of May 2010. Clearly a lot of resources have gone into planning this memorial event for the 91 deaths which occurred throughout the protest and clampdown.

Why is there no similar memorial to commemorate the deaths of the red shirts allegedly killed during the army clampdown of the red shirt protests in 2009? Specifically those allegedly killed at Din Deang, an event you were apparently an eyewitness to...? Surely the people who were killed in this clampdown should also be remembered?

Has the exact death tool from this action by the army even been established yet? It has been over three years now.

What is your point?
How many times shall it be repeated that there is no proof that Red Shirts were killed in the 2009 crackdown by the military? There are suspicions that a few may have been killed, but no names and clear enough evidence.
That doesn't mean though that Red Shirts do not talk about what they label as 'Bloody Songkran' - they do.
There are even memorial events still over Numthong - the taxi driver who committed suicide in protest of the coup in late 2006.
English language mainstream local media here in Thailand reports does not reflect the level of discussion under Red Shirts, the Red Shirt movement's diversified structures and only reports a tiny fraction of events. It is not the foreign media's job to report on every detail of this conflict.
Again - what is your point?

A question that would have a point now, which though nobody here has asked so far, is how Red Shirt protesters have felt when listening to Thaksin's speech at the Rajaprasong event two days ago. The answer is - to a large part they were very disappointed. I leave it to you to find out what Thaksin has said, and why protesters were/are disappointed, a feeling that has already begun after the Siam Reap speech.

Well we all know that the red shirts don't really need much in the way of solid evidence to hold a commemoration. It's common knowledge on this forum the figure of 91 deaths often repeated at this rally and others includes the deaths of military personnel, civilians and even people protesting against the red shirts! Even throughout the course of this thread we've seen attempts to increase this figure further using more unsubstantiated claims (I believe these posts have since been deleted).

As you highlight, the red shirts call the 2009 clampdown "Bloody Songkran"; they believe a number of people were killed at Din Daeng and then all bodies disposed of somehow by the army. The last time I mentioned this to you on the forum, philw even went as far as to say a simple Google search would remove any doubts I had of this event. It might not have been stated specifically by you, but other red shirts certainly believe that Col Romklao was targeted by the UDD for presiding over these deaths.

If these deaths did happen, then surely they deserve just as much attention as those which occurred on all sides during April and May 2010...? Perhaps even more so, as - according to red shirt lore - these alleged deaths are the first heavy-handed act of suppression by their nemesis, the Royal Thai Army. But it seems now if there was any memorial at all for these those fallen, it was probably a low-key event not worthy of mainstream media attention....?

You state in your last post "There are suspicions that a few may have been killed, but no names and clear enough evidence." - is this an attempt to play down what is alleged to of occurred during the clampdown of 2009? Despite avoiding bullets flying by, you didn't witness anybody injured by these bullets in the crowd of people running from them?

In Topic: Bangkok: Huge Turnout Expected At Red-Shirt Rally Today

2012-05-21 13:56:17

Serious question, Nick....

It's pretty clear that the red shirts don't want Thailand and the rest of the world to forget about those who were killed during the clampdown of May 2010. Clearly a lot of resources have gone into planning this memorial event for the 91 deaths which occurred throughout the protest and clampdown.

Why is there no similar memorial to commemorate the deaths of the red shirts allegedly killed during the army clampdown of the red shirt protests in 2009? Specifically those allegedly killed at Din Deang, an event you were apparently an eyewitness to...? Surely the people who were killed in this clampdown should also be remembered?

Has the exact death tool from this action by the army even been established yet? It has been over three years now.

In Topic: Bangkok: Huge Turnout Expected At Red-Shirt Rally Today

2012-05-20 13:49:04

View Postphiphidon, on 2012-05-20 11:31:59, said:

View PostInsight, on 2012-05-20 11:23:22, said:

By international standards, they are complete pussycats.

Try and conduct your 2-month long "protest" in Piccadilly Circus and you'll soon start appreciating them a bit more.

Even I doubt that Abhisits Oxford chum, Dave, would deploy snipers for crowd control so if it came down to it I'd pick Piccadilly Circus but this is about Thailand not the UK.

I'll stay away from the painfully obvious refute for now.

What date did these "army" snipers you cite first become evident?

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