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2012-03-14 03:28:24
Thanks for those guys, if there are any more please keep them coming.
In Topic: Chiang Mai Court Sentenced Akha Hill Tribe Man To Life For Murder Of British...
2011-02-06 01:24:41
Jingthing, on 2011-02-05 23:05:13, said:
Khundon, I learned what I know about the academic position of professional psychologists about the varied sexual orientation of male prostitutes who service males in a college course (and textbook). I don't have the textbook online text to link to you but my memory is clear. I also recall a report of a study of young male prostitutes which did show that some (by no means all) males who start out as heterosexual through many acts of gay sex where they receive the positive reinforcement of both money and orgasms do change their orientation to gay, but the studies were clear that there was a group of heterosexually identified subjects that were studied.
Also keep in mind, there is a supply and demand market situation here. In most cultures, there are generally many more male clients for male prostitutes than female ones, and again, in many cultures the pay is better for same sex service.
Also, just because you and many hetero men can't imagine performing at all with their own sex (I can relate), people are very varied, and some men have no problem performing with goats (of any sex) so horses for courses, as it were. That doesn't make them goat-sexual either.
I am not going to be your googlebot, but here's a link. Like I said, I know what I know, you believe what you believe, we aren't going to change each others minds about this.
http://www.reference...male+prostitute
Also keep in mind, there is a supply and demand market situation here. In most cultures, there are generally many more male clients for male prostitutes than female ones, and again, in many cultures the pay is better for same sex service.
Also, just because you and many hetero men can't imagine performing at all with their own sex (I can relate), people are very varied, and some men have no problem performing with goats (of any sex) so horses for courses, as it were. That doesn't make them goat-sexual either.
I am not going to be your googlebot, but here's a link. Like I said, I know what I know, you believe what you believe, we aren't going to change each others minds about this.
http://www.reference...male+prostitute
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Male prostitution
A gigolo , hustler or male prostitute is a male who engages in the sale of their sexual services by prostitution. The gender of a male prostitute's sexual partner or the sexual act that he and the client participates in may not indicate a prostitute's sexual orientation; a male prostitute may be of any sexual orientation regardless of his client's gender. Compared to female sex workers, male sex workers have been far less studied by researchers, and while studies suggest that there are differences between the ways these two groups look at their work, more research is needed.
A gigolo , hustler or male prostitute is a male who engages in the sale of their sexual services by prostitution. The gender of a male prostitute's sexual partner or the sexual act that he and the client participates in may not indicate a prostitute's sexual orientation; a male prostitute may be of any sexual orientation regardless of his client's gender. Compared to female sex workers, male sex workers have been far less studied by researchers, and while studies suggest that there are differences between the ways these two groups look at their work, more research is needed.
Jingthing
Hardly a firm endorsement of what you believe. Two word stand out in that quote and they are both MAY. Even the last line in your quote says "more research is needed". That to me implies that the jury is still out on many issues involving the sexuality of male prostitutes.
"Positive reinforcement" sounds a bit too much like Pavlov's dog. But then it was a dog and not a human being , with power of thought a reasoning. The men who committed the crime did have the power of reasoning and knew full well what their actions would lead to.
As to your assertion that I, along with most of the male hetero population, cannot imagine engaging in a homosexual act, well you are wrong. It is precisely because I can imagine it, that I don't indulge in such things. Does that make me psychologically flawed? Of course not. But neither does it mean those who do indulge are flawed either. Just different to me.
Academics are only human and can be wrong, especially in the field of Psychology. It was an acadamec who proclaimed the World to be flat. Haven't yet read about anyone falling off the edge, even after all these years.
I was bought up to question everything and if a psychologists said good morning to me, I would look up and check for myself. Such is the faith I have in them.
I have no wish to change your views on the subject, the World would be a funny old place if we all believed the same and there would be no need for most threads on a forum like TV.
By the way, that link you gave has no attributable source, (unless I missed it) just the exact same ramblings that can even be found on Wiki! and we know how honest that site is don't we.
We seem to be getting off topic, so I will leave you to what you think you know and I to what I believe to be correct.
Cheers.
In Topic: Chiang Mai Court Sentenced Akha Hill Tribe Man To Life For Murder Of British...
2011-02-05 22:45:32
Jingthing, on 2011-02-05 21:03:21, said:
As far as the debate on whether male prostitutes serving men can be heterosexually oriented, people are going to believe what they are going to believe. But the scientific evidence supports my contention that it is not only possible, but very common. Also, the idea that you have to be "gay" or "bi" to both have and enjoy gay sex is laughable when you consider what goes on in some prisons. No, I am not saying straight rape victims usually enjoy the sex, but you get the point. Again, total confusion between the external acts and a person's psychological orientation.
Sighting the sexual acts of prisoners is hardly credible and far from the norm don't you think. The majority of those acts are carried out as either forced rape or the victim is coerced into the act from the fear of violence if they refuse. Therefore, these acts between prisoners cannot be classed as normal circumstances. Of course there will be many gays within the prison system, but we are talking about the psychos and mental cases who are more than willing to rape another male, in order to relieve their sexual frustration. They are, after all, living within a closed, all male system, with nothing to lose. One wonders whether they would act the same in a free environment, where there was access to females. I suspect they would, if free, rape just as many women.
That is not the case where most male prostitutes in Thailand are concerned. Nor is it the case when most straight people of either sex have a casual same sex experience. They may well pass the act off as just one of those things and move on, however, I am talking about those who then go on to have many more same sex experiences (paid or not) and still call themselves straight. That to me is laughable. They are not kidding me, nor I think the rest of the World, no matter how you, or they, dress it up.
You have yet to site any evidence to support your contention, that male to male prostitutes can be straight. But as we are going off topic, maybe that is for another thread.
PS. I was never confused.
In Topic: Chiang Mai Court Sentenced Akha Hill Tribe Man To Life For Murder Of British...
2011-02-05 20:37:46
Jingthing, on 2011-02-05 19:14:08, said:
OMG, the naivete. It's called gay for pay, and yes many straight guys on the game. I don't know about you, but I have done a lot of things in my life for money where I was definitely faking it. External acting out is not the same thing as internal sexual orientation, not even close, that's basic psychology for you, bone up on it if you like. If every man who had some same sex experiences in life were gay or bi, straights would be the minority.
Anyway, of course the orientation of the victim or perps isn't the issue in the case; the issue is murder.
Anyway, of course the orientation of the victim or perps isn't the issue in the case; the issue is murder.
Or perhaps they prefer to hide their true sexuality behind the term "Gay for pay" rather than face the fact that they are either bi or gay. Maybe they enjoy sex with men and use money as the excuse, rather than lose face.
Lets face it, us men can't fake an orgasm like the girls can.
I don't deny that there are many men and women, who, given the right or wrong circumstances (bit too much to drink or drugs etc) have same sex experiences, but if they then go on to do it again when sober, that is not acting, that is enjoying. That is not "straight" as I understand the term. I have no problem with the sexual orientation of anyone, those differences are, for me, what make the World a better place.
External acting! Sex involves, amongst other things, psychological and physical changes within the body and I don't care if you are a World class actor, they can only occur if you are physically and emotionally stimulated. That means you (not you personally) like it.
Any "straight" who says different, are only kidding themselves.
As to the 3 men involved in the murder, they killed the guy for money, pure and simple and deserve what they get. But I very much doubt they were acting when they had sex, paid or not, with men.
We will never know why he invited them to stay with him, I would like to think it was for altruistic reasons, but he did ignore sensible advice from friends and colleagues and paid the price. I think he was the naive one, not I. May he rest in peace.
If nothing else, let it be a warning to others to stay safe. After all this is Thailand and life is cheap here.
