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In Topic: Indonesia rescues 120 asylum seekers who refuse to disembark

2012-04-19 11:17:57

View Postthaibeachlovers, on 2012-04-19 11:04:43, said:

View Postmaidu, on 2012-04-19 09:58:50, said:

During an interview with one young Muslim man in Belgium who is campaigning to get Sharia law enacted for all Belgians: He said; "Sharia law is the will of Muhammed, so no one can question it."

Maidu's spin: There are more than a few people like that, who interpret the musings of a dead man and seek to force those ideas on all others in his vicinity. Any of their personal interpretations of the hundreds year old moldy texts is deemed, by those people, to be the ONLY WAY, and all others must adhere to their interpretations, or be physically cowed in to doing so.

It's a bad cycle, and I don't see any reasonable way around it. Like an infection.

Good luck Australia. Most of Europe is already beyond the pale.
The way I look at it is that they are at the equivalent of the western "middle ages", when the inquisition forced everyone to be a Christian. In a thousand years time, they too will have changed.

Sorry, but what is the total percentage (%) of Muslims in Europe now? I am guessing it is around the 5% figure. Sure it will rise, but not to the extent that Europe is 'beyond the pale' to selectively quote the poster above. There have been Muslims in Europe for centuries, look up the history of the Ottoman Empire for examples, it is not a recent thing.

By 'inquisition' I take it that you actually mean 'Spanish Inquisiton'. The Spanish Inquistion was a process instigated by Roman Catholic Spain to convert non-believers such as Jews and the few remaining Muslims as they kicked the rest out after the re-conquest.

In Topic: Indonesia rescues 120 asylum seekers who refuse to disembark

2012-04-12 23:00:14

View PostSteely Dan, on 2012-04-12 22:31:36, said:

View Posttrompelemonde, on 2012-04-12 21:32:01, said:

No I am not at all. Europe has not exactly been the most tolerant place in even its most recent history. Take the Jews as an example, they have been kicked out of every European country at one time or another, forced to convert or killed en-masse.Same as many other groups who have been a little bit 'different' from the mainstream, even other Christians.

BTW = I deplore the desecration of any place of religious worship wherever it is located and the killing of anyone in the name of religion.
It's ironic that you cite the Jews as an example of past intolerance considering that 70% of the racist attacks on Jews in Europe are committed by Muslims. Indeed the intolerance seems to be a one way street with MP's who take views unpopular with some Muslims being threatened or attacked. Then we have the fact that 40% of British Muslims want Sharia law for Britain, I don't know the percentage in Australia but Sharia law makes all non-Muslims second class citizens and calls directly for violence against gays. Perhaps some introspection is required before whining about the lack of tolerance shown by Countries kind enough to make their health and benefits systems available to immigrants.

And likewise I suggest that you exercise some introspection and restraint yourself with your made up and mis-quoted stats -  "40% of British Muslims want Sharia law for Britain" the actual result the poll was actually "40% of British Muslims want Sharia law for British Muslims" - there is quite a difference.

Don't call me a "whinger" either - if you want to discuss something cut the name calling

In Topic: Indonesia rescues 120 asylum seekers who refuse to disembark

2012-04-12 21:32:01

View PostColin Yai, on 2012-04-12 19:40:06, said:

View Posttrompelemonde, on 2012-04-12 14:59:37, said:

View PostF4UCorsair, on 2012-04-12 13:15:32, said:

maidu, having less children is an admirable thing to do, but countries like Germany, France, Australia, UK, US, etc., have birthrates (per couple) of less that 2, but Muslims in those countries have birth rates of 8-10 per couple.  It's not difficult to see where it's going, and it will only get worse.

Can you prove to me that Muslim women in the countries you mention have a birth rate of 8-10?

Given the history of Europe and its attitude to other cultures and religions, if I was a Muslim I would want to get the hell out of there.
Are you implying that Muslims are persecuted in Europe with no rights whatsoever? , can you supply proof that they are?. personally I think Europe is bending over backwards to accommodate them , in the UK alone there are over 1,000 mosques which are protected by law, so unlike Christian Churches in some Muslim Countrys which risk being burned to the ground as indeed many are with  Christian worshipers murdered ,it is they themselves who choose not to integrate into Western society ,but instead expect the West to Integrate into theirs ,personally and with respect I find your post laughable to the extremePosted Image Posted Image

No I am not at all. Europe has not exactly been the most tolerant place in even its most recent history. Take the Jews as an example, they have been kicked out of every European country at one time or another, forced to convert or killed en-masse.Same as many other groups who have been a little bit 'different' from the mainstream, even other Christians.

BTW = I deplore the desecration of any place of religious worship wherever it is located and the killing of anyone in the name of religion.

In Topic: Indonesia rescues 120 asylum seekers who refuse to disembark

2012-04-12 14:59:37

View PostF4UCorsair, on 2012-04-12 13:15:32, said:

maidu, having less children is an admirable thing to do, but countries like Germany, France, Australia, UK, US, etc., have birthrates (per couple) of less that 2, but Muslims in those countries have birth rates of 8-10 per couple.  It's not difficult to see where it's going, and it will only get worse.

Can you prove to me that Muslim women in the countries you mention have a birth rate of 8-10?

Given the history of Europe and its attitude to other cultures and religions, if I was a Muslim I would want to get the hell out of there.

In Topic: UN: Fighting in Mali displaces over 200,000 since January

2012-04-06 16:32:07

So what do you suggest - take pre-emptive action and kick them all out of Europe like Ferdinand and Isabella did after the re-conquest of Iberia?

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