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dutchguest

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In Topic: Why So Many Farangs Without A Clue?

2012-05-23 14:09:09

the "lost all my money" blues is not only a thai fenomenon:






In Topic: Inherited Memory And Reincarnation

2012-01-31 16:02:24

A quote from a book I'm reading at the moment,   http://www.archive.o...fTheWhiteClouds blz.125, suggests that heredity and memory are the same in the ultimate sense:


All this may appear incredible to the critical Westerner, and I admit that I myself would have found it difficult to believe had I not come across similar cases, which not only proved that the idea of rebirth was more than a mere theory or an unfounded belief, but equally demonstrated the possibility of remembering important aspects or achievements of former lives. The scientist who only believes in physical heredity never asks himself what the fact of heredity actually means. It is the principle of preservation and continuity of acquired characteristics which finally results in the faculty of conscious remembrance and conscious direction under the guidance of organised knowledge, i,e. through co-ordinated experience. Heredity, in other words, is only another name for memory, the stabilising principle and the counter-force of dissolution and imper-manence. Whether we call memory a spiritual or a material property or a biological principle is beside the point, because 'material', 'biological', and 'spiritual' signify only different levels on which the same force operates or manifests itself. All that matters is that it is both a form-preserving as well as a form-creating force, the connecting linlt between the past and the future, which finally manifests itself in the experience of the timeless present and of conscious existence. The simultaneousness of preservation and creation is achieved in the process of continuous transformation, in which the essential elements or form-principles remain present like an ideal nucleus out of which new forms crystallise according to inherent laws and under the influence of external stimuli.


It could be true that evolution is moving in this direction of growing consciousness, awareness, memory and that the role of unconscious heredity is slowly diminishing. First in the form of human beings as they exist now with a growing awareness of the functioning of nature and with some enlightened persons who already “go ahead of the evolution” and have already a further evolved conscious memory. In the end the dualism between body and mind, matter and spirit, live and death would be overcome.

In Topic: Dhamma Publications

2012-01-26 15:05:29

A few books mainly about Tibetan buddhism:

Two classics:

http://www.summum.us...tbotd/toc.shtml

http://www.bibliotec...livingdying.pdf


One of the first western pioniers on a pelgrimage in Tibet:

http://www.archive.o...fTheWhiteClouds

An impression of China and Tibet in the past century:

http://pratyeka.org/...gotten_kingdom/

In Topic: Kwan

2012-01-11 17:54:08

View Postsabaijai, on 2012-01-10 15:58:58, said:

View PostPolsci, on 2012-01-08 07:40:20, said:

View Postdutchguest, on 2011-12-24 12:02:46, said:

At the moment I am reading “The Tibetan book of the dead”. From this I get the impression that the kwan is the “vital force”, residing somewhere in the navel-area and entering and leaving the body through the crown of the head in the bardo-state, the state between death and possible rebirth.

There are many gods and other supernatural beings in the book which might deter some to read the book or take it seriously, but if you perceive them metaphorically, as projections of our mind and not as really existing beings in the outer world, it may make some more sense.

Ah, thanks for bringing up the title of my favorite book! Morbid, yes.

You got it right that Kwan is a vital force and is called such only for the living. It's the vin-yaan (Vinnana in Pali) that permanently leaves the body upon physical death.

Kwan is not the same as vinnana (tilde over 2nd n; my thai keyboard has none). The two concepts arose from two separate belief systems.

Kwan comes out of pre-Buddhist Tai animism, and refers to spirit(s) that govern bodily functions. See this post above:

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__4237903

Vinnana, on the other hand, is linked to the mind, ie consciousness, eg (from Wiki) 1) as a derivative of the sense bases (āyatana), part of the experientially exhaustive "All" (sabba); (2) as one of the five aggregates (khandha) of clinging (upadana) at the root of suffering (dukkha); and, (3) as one of the twelve causes (nidana) of "Dependent Origination" (paticcasamuppāda) which provides a template for Buddhist notions of kamma, rebirth and release.
The Vinnana Sutta:



At Savatthi. "Monks, eye-consciousness is inconstant, changeable, alterable. Ear-consciousness... Nose-consciousness... Tongue-consciousness... Body-consciousness... Intellect-consciousness is inconstant, changeable, alterable.


"One who has conviction & belief that these phenomena are this way is called a faith-follower: one who has entered the orderliness of rightness, entered the plane of people of integrity, transcended the plane of the run-of-the-mill. He is incapable of doing any deed by which he might be reborn in hell, in the animal womb, or in the realm of hungry shades. He is incapable of passing away until he has realized the fruit of stream-entry.


"One who, after pondering with a modicum of discernment, has accepted that these phenomena are this way is called a Dhamma-follower: one who has entered the orderliness of rightness, entered the plane of people of integrity, transcended the plane of the run-of-the-mill. He is incapable of doing any deed by which he might be reborn in hell, in the animal womb, or in the realm of hungry shades. He is incapable of passing away until he has realized the fruit of stream-entry.


"One who knows and sees that these phenomena are this way is called a stream-enterer, steadfast, never again destined for states of woe, headed for self-awakening."



Thanks, I leave the kwan for what they are.

From a psycho-analytic point of view they are i.m.o. projections of fysical energies that are not recognised as such (energies) but have taken other forms and were endowed with personalised powers.

I thought I could come to some common denominator, essence of all spiritual fenomena, awareness, ghosts etc. But things are becoming to confusing.

In Topic: Kwan

2012-01-10 13:13:57

View Postdutchguest, on 2012-01-09 14:49:43, said:


As I see it now I would not qualify “kwan” as a myth, but as a very subtile, yet vital and really existing form of energy. The focus on mindfulness, wisdom and morality is just the way to progress from the small mind to a broader mind that should make man more aware of the energies that are moving him.
Leaving the kwan and hara for what they are and trying to translate the eastern conceptions in a western way with which I am more accustomed, I think Freud put us on the right track with his concept of sublimation. Sexual energy can be transformed from the unconscious animalistic reproductive function into more conscious creative forms of expression. This is what distinguishes man from animals. I see sexual energy as the same as vital or life energy, also originating in the navel area, the area where we were connected with our mothers and from where our life originates.

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