vediovis

Wiggle Town on Sukhumvit just before Big C heading North used to do a special time for tots a couple of times a week but I don't know if Wiggle Town is still open?

I'm not sure about land in Burma but if you're looking for a good bargain I am selling the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Personally I think it would be a better buy than land in Burma.

The Bridge was built in 1932 but has been constantly maintained and painted, and is still in good shape. PM me for the purchase price.
(As for payment, I only accept a bank transfer to my bank account at the National Bank of Nigeria)

Darkrose, on 2010-08-12 19:36:27, said:

You would be loved by your death metal idols as well if you would buy their music legit over the internet.
That's what i do when i want to support my favorite bands...

Can some explain torrents.  My only experience is hearing of friends downloading porn movies.  Does it have more legitimate uses?  Sorry for being a Thicko and Techno Pygmy.

geoffphuket, on 2010-08-11 10:58:18, said:

Probably not very much in the minority, since most of us don't know what "torrent" is.  We do know that something makes our connection horribly slow.

KKK, on 2010-08-12 10:20:59, said:

How on earth could you prefer to watch British TV when there at least 6 fabulous channel of wonderful screeching Thai soap operas or almost paedophilic children singing mothers day songs clad in enough make up to make a bargirl blush! Give me more, in fact I believe it is possible to get a cheap sat system here that will open up a complete new world, including TV from Burma and Nepal, I have seen a sample and believe me, with this extensive list, you will cancel your internet connection immediately, as you sit enthralled by the magnificent selection of constantly innovative programming that they offer!

TAWP, on 2010-08-11 12:46:06, said:

TAWP.

No I'm not a network designer, thankfully I presume you are not neither, or do you have magic solution to the contention... Just asking? This isn't rocket science. Im not going to play the credentials game...  

I leave it at this. You pay for X mbit, you agree to a contention ratio maybe 20:1 maybe 50:1 (How many OTHER people you share your bandwidth allocation with), this isn't a 1:1 leased line, if your usage consistently or exponentially exceeds the (X Mbit / 8) * 60 * 60 * 24 * 30 = GBytes (excluding overheads) / "Contention Ratio" per month by say 2x then I think its fair to that this profile of user is as you say "selfish" and to the determent of others. What you estimate you usage at? What is your contention ratio? Dont bother answering.. I cant imagine you are on a 1:1 leased line..

Maybe at your townhouse with ZYX internet torrent flew, but this probably due to light usage from neighboring users (Im not sure where they apply the contention ratio here - at local DSLAMs or regional) but when other paying users come board (perhaps even torrent drainers) then you have to share, I want some internet too - some reliable internet please - guess that make me selfish - how its enforced I dont care... Unfortunately for you, the ISPs here dont have expensive traffic shaping tools to enforce this so instead of throttling your torrents during peak hours this look like the brutal solution for now..

Feel free to make a constructive suggestion on the contention issues though.. Maybe for 1000 baht a month we should all have 1:1 or 1:2 ?

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I have 2mbit and probably use 2GB a month (looking at my wan counters) - web browsing, skype, youtube etc.. out of theoretical maximum of say around 600gb. Under 1%. Plays kind of nicely with the 50:1 contention ratio I find - so I expect when I do utilize Skype or Youtube bandwidth is available. How does your torrent usage stack up? I bet pretty selfishly considering your allotted contention ratios.

vediovis - glad to see someone sees it fair.

Skype uses nowhere near the bandwidth that most torrent use, a fraction of a megabit. Also it runs for as long as the conversations last and establishes a minimal number of p2p connections. U pay for your internet connection, sure, but say you pay for 3mb, its oversold (same everywhere in the world), ISPs dont expect you to saturate the line, they even tell you there will be contention. This problem DOES exist is other countries but the effects on the main userbase arent as dramatic for numerous reasons that I cant be arsed typing out in detail - think where the peer exists - think who gets traffic shaped - think how cheap the transit and partial transit routes are in US / EU - you can get down to less than a couple of quid a megabit in large commits.  

>By the way, I use Torrents in a legal way, to up- and download program and OS code.

Yawn. Im sure some people do. Most people working with source code will be pulling an SCM though (git/cvs/svn), most distros are available on HTTP mirrors too, so unfortunately given 99% of torrent traffic is illegitimate you may be that 1% victim, workarounds exist so its for the greater good.

>It is the same one most of us torrenters feel when we notice all the Skype users hogging the bandwidth to avoid paying the incredibly cheap long distance rates charged in Thailand.

Again misinformed. Use a bandwidth monitor to see how much traffic a Skype call takes and how many peer 2 peer connections it uses (the sheer number with bittorrent have effects on l3 switching gear in play at the ISPs).

Well done TOT. I just hope the others follow. Torrenter you can come back in a few years when the infrastructure can support everybody saturating (> 25%) there line 24/7.


My solution - 500baht / month for 8mbit/10mbit or something sensible. 100baht/1gb downloaded/uyploaded then you can torrent your heart out and we'd all be happy.

mattcodes, on 2010-08-11 10:52:24, said:

Matt Codes is right, I run I network which serves 3 locations in hotels and restaurants with over 200 computers and network appliances on it.  Anyone who knows anything about networking will know that torrent are nasty drains on bandwidth.  People who pay 499/month or something stupid cheap like that should realize they're getting their share of a certain bandwidth based on the probability that x users are loading  or downloading something at the same time.  Folks who use automatic programs to continuously suck bandwidth, should be paying for a dedicated line not a share line.  

Sorry folks there's no free ride.  People who complain they can't take more than their fair share, but don't want to pay should be sent home.

mattcodes, on 2010-08-11 10:52:24, said:

I do strongly agree with this poster.

Personally I have never used torrents. They are only for kids and morons to download movies as they think this is the only good way to use Internet.

I suggest that torrent traffic should be separated and paid at a different rate than normal HTTP, FTP and POP/SMTP traffic.

Then the serious Internet users will only benefit as much more of the usable bandwitdth will be available to them.

Bravo TOT for a clever decision!