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#5342944 If You Think 90 Day Reporting Is A Pain Have Sympathy For The Burmese

Posted uptheos on Yesterday, 19:00

CMSteve, on Yesterday, 15:01 , said:

I imagine these are Burmese that are working here in jobs that you and I are not allowed to do. I'm pretty sure that all the Burmese that are here on marriage/retirement/ED extensions were allowed to stay in the air conditioned area like the rest of the foreigners.

doesn't make me feel good about it, but its a give and take. I may not want to be doing the same jobs they are, but I have a few friends that would....

Yep. the very thought of a poor low class Burmese sitting with an affluent colonial just isn't right.
Regarding the jobs.....can't say I've heard too many dissenting Thai voices........must be real good jobs with excellent pay, benefits and working conditions. Posted Image

#5341165 Sonthi Lobs Explosive Bill Into House

Posted Yunla on Yesterday, 08:39

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Of the two issues, the amnesty for Thaksin is likely to have a tangible impact - it could either end or widen the political divide

It can not end divisions, only exacerbate the divisions already existing. The notion of any kind of closure through this bill is an offense to any logical being. Words like 'reconciliation' and 'rehabilitation' have been saturating the Yingluck speech-writers for months, these are both incorrect words for this political process. These two words are also used in psychotherapy for processes of healing trauma wounds, which ultimately rests on the patient being given sanctuary and distance from the abuser & a sense of closure regarding the crimes committed. Without closure there can be no healing, and closure is not possible without the abuser facing legal justice & appropriate punishment. Justice is the first step of recovery for the victims in all cases, and without it there can be no reconciling or rehabilitating the people involved.
In reality this is just an act of narcissistic totalitarianism, leaders devising laws that make them immune to the law & absolve them of their former grand-scale crimes. A controlling father treating the electorate as infants, dangling bright shiny toys into the carrycot & shushing the baby with don't worry father knows best, he's making these laws for you. Look at shiny toy. Wooo.

#5341239 Sonthi Lobs Explosive Bill Into House

Posted Moruya on Yesterday, 09:07

birdpooguava, on Yesterday, 06:58 , said:

Democratically elected government intends to have cases heard by an independent court: NOT ACCEPTABLE
Decision taken by a court, set up by an illegal coup: ACCEPTABLE

If you seriously think this "reconcilliation bill" is about reconcilliatioon and democracy then there's something very wrong with you.

#5339452 Wrong Policies Could Lead To National Crisis: Thai Editorial

Posted ginjag on 2012-05-28 17:46:12

tlansford, on 2012-05-28 17:18:21, said:

animatic, on 2012-05-28 09:27:43, said:

hellodolly, on 2012-05-27 00:18:33, said:

noitom, on 2012-05-26 10:51:38, said:

The actual World Bank summary didn't state "populist schemes" or anything like it - it listed 4 points - http://www.worldbank...ngs-on-thailand - Its point about investment in recovery was very positive and that it should boost confidence. Another which was "inflation " of 3.5% and another was rice exports would slow as the result of high rice prices.

No where was it evident that the World Bank referred to "populist schemes" spending should be curtailed, but yet The Nation chose to word its editorial as such and distort the World Bank statement.

Here is the report make of it what you want.
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Key Findings

In 2012, Thailand’s real GDP is predicted to be at 4.5%. Growth is due to lower global prices, government corporate tax reduction, a strong banking sector, and high international reserves. China's considerable economic growth and signs of recovery in Japan and the USA have also had a positive effect on Thailand’s economy.
The Government of Thailand’s flood recovery and rehabilitation programs, as well as its income support policies, have helped boost confidence. Reconstruction and public investments will help the GDP growth in 2012, but imports will also rise.
The challenges the Thai economy will encounter in 2012 are: (1) The Eurozone crisis may affect exports; (2) Fall in rice exports due to uncompetitive prices; (3) Inflation, estimated at 3.5%, is due to Government income/consumption support policies, and reconstruction needs; (4) The threat of floods, which may affect consumer and investor confidence.
Thailand will need to be prepared in the event of the severe global economic slowdown by ensuring adequate fiscal space while quickly improving productivity and competitiveness of Thai exports."

While it dosen't use the term populist schemes. Items 2 and 3 in my opinion would fit right in. Also it pointed out in a diplomatic way that Thailand is making no preparation for circumstances out side of their control.

Also it points out that China Japan and the United States have a positive effect on Thailand's recovery. What happens if one of the goes backwards. What is the Thai Government doing to protect itself from going down with them.

(3) Inflation, estimated at 3.5%, is due to
Government income/consumption support policies, and reconstruction needs

All these are Populist without saying so in a word, the reconstruction being less so, but still popular.
Even more so is that the corruption involved means 'so much more than needed', is spent to do the jobs,
it boosts inflation again, without getting distributed to the greater public except as later campaign expenses. Even that goes out mostly to cronies in printing, communications and crowd segment manipulation.

You make these blanket statements rather often Animatic - but never with any evidence whatsoever.

Are we to take you to be more believable or credible than CalgaryII ?

Or are we to assume that you are just as biased and dogmatic, only from the other side of the fence?

anti government criticism is not necessarily from the other side of the fence, Your defence of bad government shows, you are a critic of good criticism, Posted Image

#5336447 Thai Law Voiding Verdicts To Be Tabled

Posted Yunla on 2012-05-27 17:23:13

jaapfries, on 2012-05-27 07:53:23, said:

Yunla; I believe you've managed to put the entire issue in "a nut-shell" in a very eloquent & brilliant manner !

If there would have been a "Rudyard Kipling Award", I am convinced you would have won it ! !
Admirer Posted Image

Thanks for the compliment, I don't really see any literary connection between me & any writers of the past. I'm not an eloquent writer, and for another fact I know about a hundred times less facts & figures about Thailand than most TV forumers do.
I just read the Thai news headlines here in the morning, read the responses & post something if I feel compelled to, then go back to my work elsewhere. Most of the time when I'm reading about Thaksin & this current pseudo-government. I feel only a deep sense of sorrow & a sort of numb horror. I've been visiting Thailand since 1976, I own property here & have many Thai friends who I love dearly & consider to be my only remaining family. They are working-class Bangkok people & it breaks my heart truly to see them being scammed constantly by this and earlier regimes. I see this voiding-law & return of Thaksin as a bleak and desperate chapter in this nations history.
I was told once that every person / nation has to hit absolute rock bottom before they bounce back and start working every day to succeed & to only move forward positively. The example I was given was drug addicts, who will never break the habit until they seriously O.D. and wake up in hospital after coma, and swear "never again" & genuinely mean it. They have to reach that complete breakdown-state before they change. This applies to countries too. I felt Thailand had hit rock bottom many times in the past, most recently in 2010 with the red-mob, and a rich fugitive setting up poor farmers as sacrificial pawns in a hideous chess game. In late 09 I actually felt that even though Thailand needed a lot of work to clean up the system, it was starting to head in the right direction very slowly. In 2010 during the "burn Bangkok to the ground" redmob speeches, the blood tipping onto the gates etc. I knew that the "rock bottom" years were still ahead. Thailand has not hit rock bottom yet, and so it has not had the system-shock that will make it wake up & walk into the 21st century clear-headedly as a law-abiding & well-regulated meritocracy. I think that maybe the next decade will be the crashing-to-the-floor stage, followed by the bouncing-back. Its impossible to tell when and how because so many people at the higher echelons are playing the game by their own rules, its impossible to know the outcome until it happens IMO. But anyone can see that overturning the Supreme Court's guilty verdict on Thaksin just because he considers himself above the law, is a completely different system to democracy, it is a regression to criminal oligarchy and might-is-right.

#5336025 Thai Law Voiding Verdicts To Be Tabled

Posted OzMick on 2012-05-27 14:22:43

phiphidon, on 2012-05-27 13:55:22, said:

OzMick, on 2012-05-27 09:35:54, said:

What was the function of the black shirts? Clear enough?

If / when one is brought to justice and the relationship/s between them and the red shirts / security forces are examined we might find out. Until then I haven't a clue and despite what you think, nor do you. It's who they were working for that is the crux of the matter.

Good, let's bring as many to justice as possible. Now who doesn't want that? The man who paid them.
If he DOESN'T organise an amnesty, and Arisman and Jatuporn start facing a death sentence, they might decide to plead guilty with a full confession. If the blame for 92+ deaths gets laid where it belongs, Thaksin won't be safe anywhere in the world.

#5335521 Abhisit Sees 'Whitewash' Move Behind Reconciliation Bill

Posted rixalex on 2012-05-27 11:31:30

retarius, on 2012-05-27 11:23:15, said:

Mr Credibilty speaks...so desperate to be relevant....but is anybody listening?

Clearly his face not square enough for your taste.

#5334641 Wrong Policies Could Lead To National Crisis: Thai Editorial

Posted hellodolly on 2012-05-27 00:18:33

noitom, on 2012-05-26 10:51:38, said:

The actual World Bank summary didn't state "populist schemes" or anything like it - it listed 4 points - http://www.worldbank...ngs-on-thailand - Its point about investment in recovery was very positive and that it should boost confidence. Another which was "inflation " of 3.5% and another was rice exports would slow as the result of high rice prices.

No where was it evident that the World Bank referred to "populist schemes" spending should be curtailed, but yet The Nation chose to word its editorial as such and distort the World Bank statement.

Here is the report make of it what you want.
"
Key Findings

In 2012, Thailand’s real GDP is predicted to be at 4.5%. Growth is due to lower global prices, government corporate tax reduction, a strong banking sector, and high international reserves. China's considerable economic growth and signs of recovery in Japan and the USA have also had a positive effect on Thailand’s economy.
The Government of Thailand’s flood recovery and rehabilitation programs, as well as its income support policies, have helped boost confidence. Reconstruction and public investments will help the GDP growth in 2012, but imports will also rise.
The challenges the Thai economy will encounter in 2012 are: (1) The Eurozone crisis may affect exports; (2) Fall in rice exports due to uncompetitive prices; (3) Inflation, estimated at 3.5%, is due to Government income/consumption support policies, and reconstruction needs; (4) The threat of floods, which may affect consumer and investor confidence.
Thailand will need to be prepared in the event of the severe global economic slowdown by ensuring adequate fiscal space while quickly improving productivity and competitiveness of Thai exports."

While it dosen't use the term populist schemes. Items 2 and 3 in my opinion would fit right in. Also it pointed out in a diplomatic way that Thailand is making no preparation for circumstances out side of their control.

Also it points out that China Japan and the United States have a positive effect on Thailand's recovery. What happens if one of the goes backwards. What is the Thai Government doing to protect itself from going down with them.

#5335388 Sondhi Returns To Lumpini Stage

Posted rixalex on 2012-05-27 10:48:05

geriatrickid, on 2012-05-27 09:26:50, said:

Don't suppose the actual statements made by Khun Sondhi are up for discussion?
He called for a "Final Battle" before he resumes "private life" as he refers to it. (Is this a euphemism for a prison sentence?) Will the usual contingent that froths at the mouth over the alleged statements of speakers at Redshirt meetings have any comments? Posted Image

You ask for people to offer opinions on something but then give very little of your own, besides the usual and tiresome frothing mouth comment that you ascribe to anyone who doesn't support the corrupt clowns that you do. Seems like none of you red cheerers are capable of posting anything these days without the obligatory "froth" mention. Was a group memo sent around or something?

PAD should have been disbanded long ago. Serves no purpose whatsoever other than to try and create further social division. Everyone outside of either camp, red or yellow, is just so tired of it all. Reconciliation begins the day these two groups cease to exist, and not a day before.

#5335106 Sondhi Returns To Lumpini Stage

Posted whybother on 2012-05-27 09:02:08

phiphidon, on 2012-05-27 09:00:10, said:

What? No pages upon pages of speculation about numbers attending? For the record according to the other paper about 3000 were there. Not sure how many were expected.................

No one said that 30,000 or 300,000 would attend, so what is there to speculate on?

#5335104 Sondhi Returns To Lumpini Stage

Posted whybother on 2012-05-27 09:01:02

birdpooguava, on 2012-05-27 08:56:39, said:

whybother, on 2012-05-27 08:54:50, said:

Are you actually saying you support corruption?

Can't blame someone for playing the game by the rules

Yes you can. Just because it's "by the rules" doesn't mean it's by the law.

Given that you actually support corruption, it doesn't surprise me with all the other crap and lies that you spout.

#5335323 PAD To Stage Rally On Wednesday

Posted hellodolly on 2012-05-27 10:30:31

geriatrickid, on 2012-05-27 08:27:57, said:

If this was a Redshirt rally, the thread would have been choked with comments about the creature in the front left of the photo. Posted Image

You are getting desperate to justify the PT.
In fact you have your feet firmly in mid air.

#5334839 Thai Law Voiding Verdicts To Be Tabled

Posted hellodolly on 2012-05-27 04:41:02

Time Traveller, on 2012-05-27 00:20:53, said:

hellodolly, on 2012-05-26 23:00:24, said:

Time Traveller, on 2012-05-26 15:08:17, said:

FOODLOVER, on 2012-05-26 08:01:45, said:

I wish the reds would see him for what he is. Used their deaths for his own self serving purposes and craps in their faces with the PM not even showing to give compensation. All about one man. So sad for the truly poor in Thailand. Posted Image

You are assuming they do not? Are you really so condescending toward the “poor”?
Ask yourself why do the Red shirts support Taksin? Why do the Red shirts not support Democrats?
Why was Taksin (who himself is an elite) kicked out of the circle of Elites club by the military?
If Red shirts don’t support Taksin, then who will the Redshirts support? Who will push their cause and stand up against the elites? If no one, then they are back to supporting Taksin and his political group.

The problem with your whole post is that you assumed Thaksin was on there side. The reason they supported him was because he promised them they would all be rich in 6 months he was going to improve there schools and any thing else they wanted right away.

While the democrats made no such promises they set things in motion to bring about those desires (other than the be rich in 6 months) but they would take a lot of time not just happen today as Thaksin led them to believe. Also you forget that 40 of their supporters were Thaksin trained and not that up on social justice. This was a big problem the Dem's had to work with.

As I see it the red shirts who blindly followed Thaksin fell into two camps the big one being the uneducated one's and the other one's receiving cash for there part in it.

As it stands now yes who are they going to follow Thaksin has been back in power now for about 10 months and all they have seen is prices going up. Give Abhist the kind of support that they gave Thaksin and they will begin to see results they will be able to see them not rely on talk.
Yes indeed who are they to follow they won't believe in Abhist because of the indoctrination that Thaksin's hired mouth pieces and goons fed them and they are slowly seeing that in 10 months they are still no better off.

No. In Thailand politics when it's the little people fighting for democracy against military run governments, then the little people will always end up dead, such as in 1973, 76 & 92. But in this case those same people realized that elites themselves were fighting against each other. Thaksin was taking on the establishment for whatever reason he was kicked out. There was a belief that supporting Thaksin, could result in change and they wouldn't be any worse of under Thaksin than the alternative. Remember, the red shirt movement only began after the coup. He was also the person that brought in universal affordable health care). In past 75 years of "democracy" there was nothing. The Redshirts are not stupid and only wanted long needed change from military totalitarianism. They chose Thaksin as there was no real alternative. Thaksin needed them, so it was an easy match.
Your reference to "uneducated" people demonstrates only how you feel superior to others, and is the way the elite maintain an impression that they are some how better than the lower classes. The Democrats have never offered anything to the poor except more of the same. The same "know you place in this (feudal) society" rhetoric.

What you say about Thaksin was true 12 years ago. I was talking about today. I notice you skip over the part about the resistance Abhist had to put up within his coalition. Also the terrorism he had to combat. If you think he was wrong just look at how Syria is doing it. He did it in as humane away as the red shirts would let him.

Thaksin In his time he did do some good things but he was in a time of world economics success. And he had the power behind him. If he had used all that power for the betterment of Thailand instead of lining his pockets. He would not have been thrown out. He had very little resistance his undoing is the same that he has now and will not allow him to ever return. EGO actually I think he might fear a bullet is here with his name on it.

What has he done for Thailand lately over 90 dead as a result of his ego. 10 months back in power and the poor red shirts have not one thing to show for it other than the money they got for the Bangkok insurrection and the money they got for voting for him.

Get into 2012 The red shirts have no body to lead them. As I said the Dem's are not a possibility because of the crap they were fed. You criticize me for calling them uneducated what do you think the leaders were calling them when they had to set up a school to teach them what democracy is. Or do you think as I do brainwash them into believing the only true democracy was doing it there way.

Yes the red shirts only happened after the coup but they were all ready in the wings. just waiting for the other two Thaksin led governments to fall on their face. Where they could then try to bring their leader back with illegal means. Or are you saying invasion of hospitals is legal? That is a yes or no question.

Interesting how you equate uneducated with a lower class. As far as I am concerned they just know less than me because I had 12 and a half years of real schooling where if you failed you did not move on to the next grade. It is just a fact not a measurement of class. They were completely happy with the parliamentary system until it didn't work for them. Then all of a sudden they have to have democracy instead. Why did they not change over to democracy when they had the power why wait until they no longer have the power?

#5335057 Sondhi Returns To Lumpini Stage

Posted whybother on 2012-05-27 08:35:25

birdpooguava, on 2012-05-27 08:20:35, said:

whybother, on 2012-05-27 08:10:20, said:

birdpooguava, on 2012-05-27 08:03:12, said:

Enjoy the rally Ozmick...Bucholz...Whybother??

Why would we have gone to it?

Sent from my shoe phone

Being around other people who are also frothing at the mouth with their hatred for TS?

So you've been to all the red shirt rallies then? That wouldn't surprise me with some of the things you make up and post here.

Sent from my shoe phone

#5335034 Sondhi Returns To Lumpini Stage

Posted OzMick on 2012-05-27 08:25:12