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Rumcabal

Member Since 2009-05-07
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In Topic: Even More Dead Than Last Year?

2011-03-10 17:56:29

View PostAwohalitsiktoli, on 2011-03-10 17:25:21, said:




That is actually I good response.  Thanks.  The main point I am trying to make is that development is not always a good thing (unless you are a real estate agent, something I have never been and would never want to be in this life or the next). Development always goes through phases.  Typically it is positive at first, then as it grows it reaches a true "Golden Age" where it maintains a nice mixture of the old and new (I would guess that was Pattaya in the 80s and 90s).  Then it overwhelms an area and destroys much that was good and unique about the place (Pattaya from 2000 to present), replacing it with a "modern development model" that, in my view, is totally boring and has only one main function:  to make money for real estate firms and those who are involved with the industry.  The new model has virtually nothing to do with making Pattaya better.  That is a real estate myth.  They do not care about any person who does not embrace their view.  That is why their responses are so "angry" on Thaivisa (along with the fact that they are having a bit of a problem with their collective dream).   After the destruction is official, they will move on to another place and start the cycle over again.  If we all keep embracing the concept of more, more, more, and more, we will end up unhappy.  It is interesting to see the myths the real estate industry is propagating:  Pattaya must change in order to be better; the only people who can't see this are "old whiners;" only poor people dislike the new changes; all of the whiners are miserable; the development is for the benefit of all people (Thais, farangs, etc); Pattaya is entering  Golden Age; things have never been better, etc.   These are just myths that they hope you swallow.   Still, I will say it again:  there are worse places to live than Pattaya :)

You really do go on and on about the same ol' subjects. For starters why do you call everyone who disagrees with you an 'angry real estate agent'? Seems overly paranoid to me.

Interesting 'development' theory you've explained above. If this theory is correct then cities like London, Paris and New York should be on their death beds because of all the development that has gone on there. Can you please name 1 city anywhere in the world that has been destroyed by development?

In your mind Development = Residential Real Estate but thats only a tiny component of it. Development means having adequate reliable supplies of electricity, good sewerage and sanitation systems, good health care, good transport infrastructure, reliable communications, internet etc.. Pattaya doesnt tick all these boxes but it is moving in the right direction. Not only that but these developments benefit everyone living there, young, old, rich and poor. They also are not about residential real estate. Open your eyes and embrace it, its not going to stop.

In Topic: Even More Dead Than Last Year?

2011-03-10 08:07:50

View PostJSixpack, on 2011-03-09 19:01:41, said:

View PostAwohalitsiktoli, on 2011-03-06 17:38:40, said:

Nothing I said was contradictory unless you play with words.

Yes, it was in fact contradictory just by using a non-standard definition of the word "decline." It is YOU who are playing with words by redefining the standard definition. HERE is what the decline of an urban area--in this case, Detroit--means:

http://www.guardian....ography-detroit

What YOU mean by decline is that you don't like development. And in the course of expressing that dislike, you imagine all kinds of hostility to your preferred lifestyle. Trouble is, you're vastly outnumbered by those who LIKE what Pattaya is now and that's exactly why so many more, representing a great diversity, visit here now and WORK here now than before. And much development has also taken place for those who prefer your lifestyle as well.  


There is no need for me to respond further.

Cough.

I would, however, like to get some opinions from any person who is not a real estate agent and who has lived in the area for over ten years about what I said here:

OK.





Cheers JSixpack you responded better and more eloquently than I ever could have.
However I also think that the time you spend writing your logical arguments is a waste of your time. Thats why I refused to respond. Why bother?
You are just trying to educate old Dinosaurs who dont listen to your points and instead scream 'Real Estate Agents, Russians, Decline*, Bait, Salmon, Want it all to myself, Change - No Good..etc....'
*Note: May or may not mean actual Decline

In Topic: Guinness

2011-03-08 18:19:20

View Postfolium, on 2011-03-08 17:29:41, said:



The best Guinness story comes from Jamaica, where the G is truly great:
U2 were in Jamaica recording an album. They were in a restaurant and one of the waiters noticed the Irish accents but didn't realise exactly who they were. He allegedly said to Bono:
"Do you know where they make the best Guinness in the world?"
"Yeah, Dublin of course."
"No. Right here in Jamaica"
"You've got to be joking."
"I bet you $10 that it is. Come with me to my local tonight and I'll show you."

So the waiter, still unaware of who they were, took them to his  local drinking establishment. To much staring and open-mouths Bono ordered a pint of Guinness and took a sip. A long pause followed.
"F------g hell, that's the best pint of Guinness I've ever had!"

And now Bono swears by Jamaican Guinness.

Probably the truth behind the story is the fact that Jamaica sells a heck of  a lot of G Foreign Extra, a proper beer weighing in at 7.5% proof and not widely found.

While I'm in the process of popping illusions, many a well-lubricated Irishman or  American wannabe version, weeping gently into their pint of G, singing Danny Boy and cursing the Brit oppressor, overlooks 3 important facts.

  • Arthur Guinness came from solid Northern Ireland (part of the UK) Protestant roots
  • Guinness is a British owned and listed company (now part of Diageo)
  • Danny Boy was written by an Englishman
So on that merry note, Sláinte!, and have a great Paddy's Day

Haha no self respecting Irishman would pay any attention to anything that bull*hit artist Bono has to say!!

Different markets though do get different brews of the black stuff. Even if the Guinness came directly from the Dublin brewery it does not mean its the same recipe sold in Ireland. Different for different markets. Budweiser sold in Ireland is brewed under contract at the Dublin brewery. And I believe they have canceled the plans to move out to the burbs. The massive property crash put an end to those ambitions.

Cant argue with your other facts though.

In Topic: Two Indian Tourists Drugged And Robbed Following Night Out In South Pattaya

2011-03-08 17:00:02

Getting drugged and robbed by a prostitute is bad enough.

Then getting your picture and photograph page of your passport plastered on the internet courtesy of Pattaya One news is almost as bad. This guy might get into serious trouble back in his homeland with his family or employer as a result of these pictures. He is a victim dont forget.

If I had a similar thing happen to me I doubt I'd bother reporting it. Its not worth the risk of winding up online - forever.

In Topic: Guinness

2011-03-08 16:49:52

View PostThaifan2, on 2011-03-08 16:11:37, said:

I am 100% Irish and now live in Chiang Mai .The Guinness in the Red Lion @ B180 ,and at O Malleys @B190 ( a pint glass ) is excellent .Keeps its head till the bottom of the glass.

About 9 months ago Guinness stopped supplying Guinness to Thailand from Malaysia .After around 3 months they resumed supplying Thailand direct from the Dublin brewery .The Guinness you get in Chiang Mai now is the real Macoy !

By the way there is a St Patricks day parade down in Pattaya this year ,organised for charity .It starts from Soi 4 Beach road .Full details on the Pattaya forum .As it happens i am going down to Pattaya tomorrom so shall be there for it . :D

Guinness isnt really my drink. A few places in Dublin though sold a really good pint - Kehoes, Mcdaids and The Old Stand were notables. Hmmm bringing back fond memories - I'd love another night out there now. Best pint I ever had though was in the Shannon Airport departure lounge.

As for the old wives tales about Guinness tasting different outside of Ireland - thats because (I think) it is made differently outside Ireland. They use a different recipe for different markets - http://en.wikipedia....ewery#Varieties
Having said that if Thaifan2 is correct and the Guinness at the Red Lion is the real deal I might have to pop in there for a sample sometime. Thanks for the info.

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