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What the BTS needs to do is put up a sign near the entrance with all the things that people are not allowed to take onto the trains. And it needs to be put up in multiple languages.
Hopefully, there will still be a little bit of room to get tickets and get through the turnstyles.
Or, maybe, they just need a single sign in English: "Please obey the security guards".
#5219649 Family Of Man In Skytrain Scuffle Threatened
Posted
on 2012-04-15 10:44:37
#5217041 Thaksin Vows To Be Back In Thailand For His Birthday In July
Posted
on 2012-04-14 09:41:38
The limitless arrogant braggadocio of this man is astounding.
I am by no means a psychologist, but if I would have to guess, this man is suffering that most common mental illness among statesmen:
A megalomaniac with a messiah complex. He is to be pitied.
Many good things happened during his period in government. Numbering of sois, the second counters next traffic lights etc.
Too bad it blew up his head.
edit: btw, he is only flattering Prem because he will die soon. The man is 91...
I am by no means a psychologist, but if I would have to guess, this man is suffering that most common mental illness among statesmen:
A megalomaniac with a messiah complex. He is to be pitied.
Many good things happened during his period in government. Numbering of sois, the second counters next traffic lights etc.
Too bad it blew up his head.
edit: btw, he is only flattering Prem because he will die soon. The man is 91...
#5209455 Family Of Man In Skytrain Scuffle Threatened
Posted
on 2012-04-11 15:27:04
Gweiloman, on 2012-04-11 13:09:31, said:
swillowbee, on 2012-04-11 12:17:35, said:
p_brownstone, on 2012-04-11 11:17:14, said:
sparebox2, on 2012-04-11 08:45:05, said:
I wonder if they check the blood of the guard for alcohol or Ya Ba (drug).
I think it would have been far more productive to check Behan's blood for alcohol, he left Surasak on the BTS and got off at Phrompong "to eat" after which he tried to re-board the BTS System, again at Phrompong.
There are at least 2 British and 1 Irish Pubs within a short walk of the BTS Station.
Patrick
... prior to seeing this video, if you had seen this man walking to the BTS Station, you would have seen him at about 7.00 in the evening ... he would have been walking with his 6-year-old daughter, carrying balloons and bags of gifts, joined by his friend and his wife (I believe).
... a person with normally developed cognitive thinking would likely have judged that this was a family out to celebrate a child's birthday.
... but you, Inspector Patrick! ... "far more productive to check Behan's blood for alcohol"!? ... you would judge him as a likely drunkard!?
... so, okay, let's take your position ... what do you think? ... maybe a 1-in-1,000 chance he would leave his school after work, collect his familiy and go get blasted out of his mind by 7.00p, all on his daughter's birthday ... please, Inspector Patrick ... is this more likely, or less likely? ... illuminate for us the erudite rationale.
... and you offer this up after the fact, now knowing that he is a school teacher who has held a job for years here ... you will have a hard time arguing that he is just another heavy-drinking farang.
... would you give it better than "far more productive" odds, that something else would cause a man to react to something so violently ... would an over-reaction by an untrained minimum wage security guard resulting in an unwarranted potentially deadly assault with a bludgeon do that?
... what do you make those odds, Inspector Patrick? ... this being Thailand, and considering the general cultural values of the parties and the situation they were in, I would reasonably venture far lower than your 1-in-1,000 "he's out getting blasted with the family on his daughter's brithday" explanation.
... critical thinking ... human nature ... Occam's Razor ... try them on, Inspector Patrick.
I wonder why you don't launch the same diatribe against the poster who suggested that the guard might be high on alcohol or Yaba. Double standards?
... there is video of the assault victim to which I can venture some measured opinion about whether he was out for an afternoon of getting blasted after work, as Inspector apparently Patrick believes ... I can say little about the behavior of the security guard, except what we might forensicly deduce from general cultural values, and the expected behaviors of a low-skill, minimum wage Thai man in a situation where some measure of cultural knowledge would probably have resulted in a very different outcome.
... unless, of course, the assault victim was a raving drunkard bent on beating a Thai prai, as too many here allege ... personally, I think beating prai should be a privilege reserved only for the Thai elitists (that is dark humor) ... but, I guess no one will really know if he was drunk, because the BTS is unwilling to disclose evidence that would prove the BTS' policy, staff and security guard were in the right.
... but, no ... they didn't do that, did they ... they chose to conceal the CCTV tapes, issue and apology to the assault victim, send flowers to the assualt victim, fire the guard, and discipline the manager ... my gosh ... what is an independent-thinking person not held hostage to a culture of blind, unquestioning submission to authority (honestly, or corruptly earned) to think?
... if the CCTV tapes of the initial confrontation were disclosed by the BTS, and they revealed that the security guard was the victim and was wrongly fired by the BTS, I believe I would be amongst the first of a legion of people on this forum who would excoriate the BTS, as vigorously as we have written in opposition to the presumed guilt of the assault victim here.
... this is for most, I really believe, about basic right and wrong ... justice ... fairness ... concealing from public view the CCTV tapes of the initial assault, the BTS does no service to these values ... the BTS' unwillingness to face a harsh truth is but a reflection of Thai cultural values, which I contend is at the root of the confrontation ... and this debate ... their failure to openly face truth is a far greater threat to Thailand's reputation amongst foreign tourists than the actual assault.
... the BTS conceals evidence of the truth, believing their Thai compatriots ('their 'constituency') will see absolutely no further beyond what they've been allowed to see ... will not challenge them ... will not even question them ... that the whole embarrassing event will go away ... so far, so good for their constituency ... but, Thailand is now 'inter'.
... their technique works very well on Thais in the vacuum of Thailand ... but, many are still incensed ... and not just farang ... if Thailand wants to be a part of the developed, modern, civilized world, this is one of the responsibilies that comes with that privilege ... oppose injustice ... reading the daily Thai newspapers, the idea hasn't really caught on yet here.
... the cultural values of many in the developed, modern, civilized world drive us to dig deeper, and ask: "Why? ... what happened before the video? ... what would cause a man, apparently on a family evening out for his child's birthday, to act this way? ... what would cause a security guard to resort to potentially deadly force? ... is the use of a potentially deadly force commensurate with the threat posed?" ... what you ask me to believe defies reason, unless you are blinded, passified and subjucated ... for which I think there is a long, long history here in Thailand, and that persists today.
... some people write here that this is not our business ... it is ... opposing injustice is one of the qualities that makes us civilized, higher-functioning animals with uniquely human spirits ... separates us from jungle, tribal cultural values ... protecting the defenseless, poor, uneducated, disenfranchised, voiceless ... particularly so in a nation as notorious for injustice as Thailand now is.
... that includes protection for the security guard ... and, that includes protection for the hundreds of thousands of potential innocent victims traveling on the BTS and scores of other public transit systems every single day ... farang and Thai.
... many traveling on a family outing ... with their children ... to celebrate a child's birthday.
... I hate seeing this happen here, and it stinks to high hell, it really does ... I have kids for whose futures I am responsible ... I want them to have good lives in Thailand, and not see them someday choose to live in Cambodia, or Burma to improve the quality of their lives ... we've got to do better ... accepting the behaviors of feudal Thailand's cultural values prevents future generations of young Thais from enjoying the personal and spiritual benefits of the Age of Enlightenment that began in other cultures over 300 years ago!
#5182204 Car Bomb Suspected In Hat Yai Hotel
Posted
on 2012-04-01 12:20:04
GentlemanJim, on 2012-04-01 11:03:38, said:
It is interesting to see that the Governor of Songkhla (red obviously) has said that if a head of family were killed during these blatant terrorist attacks the family will receive 50 000 baht, if a non head of family is killed they will get 25 000 baht. Meanwhile the same red backed Government is about to dish out 7.5 million baht each, to those Thais injured during the terrorist attacks on Bangkok while they were participating in trying to burn Bangkok down. 
I have never seen my wife so angry. There are a lot of really pi**ed off Thais in this country at the moment.
I have never seen my wife so angry. There are a lot of really pi**ed off Thais in this country at the moment.
I really doubt the govenor of Songkhla is red. PT got less than 10% of the vote in that province and the Democrats close to 90%.
#5171828 18-Car Accident Kills Three And Injures 20 In Saraburi
Posted
on 2012-03-28 15:41:33
Because they never leave enough braking distance between themselves and the vehicle in front. I see it most weeks even in slow moving traffic around town. two, three sometimes four cars all rearended because the one at the front stops or slows unexpectedly. If this happens so easily in slow moving traffic you can imagine the problem with cars doing 80 - 120kph but still only a few meters apart. No training, little experience and a driving test that anyone can pass no matter their ability is the reason. The wonder is that more people aren't killed.
But this is Thailand.. They don't even stop at red lights or jump the green as too impatient to wait. It's just a free-for-all and nobody cares enough to try to change anything..
But this is Thailand.. They don't even stop at red lights or jump the green as too impatient to wait. It's just a free-for-all and nobody cares enough to try to change anything..
#5165548 Family Of Man In Skytrain Scuffle Threatened
Posted
on 2012-03-26 11:28:06
And round and round we go... The facts of this originally fairly minor incident have been steam rollered by the deluge of public "opinion" it's created. The outcry of speculative posters, sometimes bordering on libelous, nearly always ridiculous, have now become the real story.
What actually happened here has paled into insignificance as internet commentators make up their own scenarios and post to support their own agendas, in what makes for shameful reading from start to finish. For a country that relies so heavily on Tourism, the damage such an incident could cause if it does hit the international press is not inconsiderable, let alone the damage to the lives of the individuals involved or to race relations in Thailand.
It is clear that unless BTS release CCTV footage that shows the entire incident, the truth of the matter will forever be replaced by the concoctions of the vivid imaginations of those following the story.
I for one take from this sorry tale one lasting impression - when voicing one's opinion on a public internet forum you should carefully consider how your words will effect those directly involved in the topic. It is far too easy to hide behind the anonymity an internet forum gives you and totally disregard the consequence your posts may have.
When it gets to the stage where people are losing their jobs and a family, who's father was reported as a victim of a crime, are subject to death threats as a direct result of the strong feelings stirred up on internet forums, I would suggest it is time for certain people to take a break from their keyboards and remove the cape and y-fronts. The cause you are championing is not one of truth and justice, you are simply pandering to your own egos with a distinct lack of respect for those involved.
There are certain members of this forum that should really take a long hard look in the mirror and ask themselves this - "when your personal views will have a profound negative effect on others, is it really worth airing them in public, repeatedly?"
What actually happened here has paled into insignificance as internet commentators make up their own scenarios and post to support their own agendas, in what makes for shameful reading from start to finish. For a country that relies so heavily on Tourism, the damage such an incident could cause if it does hit the international press is not inconsiderable, let alone the damage to the lives of the individuals involved or to race relations in Thailand.
It is clear that unless BTS release CCTV footage that shows the entire incident, the truth of the matter will forever be replaced by the concoctions of the vivid imaginations of those following the story.
I for one take from this sorry tale one lasting impression - when voicing one's opinion on a public internet forum you should carefully consider how your words will effect those directly involved in the topic. It is far too easy to hide behind the anonymity an internet forum gives you and totally disregard the consequence your posts may have.
When it gets to the stage where people are losing their jobs and a family, who's father was reported as a victim of a crime, are subject to death threats as a direct result of the strong feelings stirred up on internet forums, I would suggest it is time for certain people to take a break from their keyboards and remove the cape and y-fronts. The cause you are championing is not one of truth and justice, you are simply pandering to your own egos with a distinct lack of respect for those involved.
There are certain members of this forum that should really take a long hard look in the mirror and ask themselves this - "when your personal views will have a profound negative effect on others, is it really worth airing them in public, repeatedly?"
