MikeyIdea

2 journalists describe that they saw armed protestors, so let's hear no more about the peaceful protest.
"They had AR-15s, TAR-21s, M16s, AK-47s" "They attacked soldiers with AK-47 and HK-33 assault rifles, and M79 grenade launchers."

http://www.hrw.org/n...98399/section/5

A journalist, who spent several days together with a group of armed militants at the Ratchaprasong protest camp, described to Human Rights Watch his experience with the Black Shirts:

The day I met up with the group, they were near Lumphini Park and the Rama IV [road] junction, living in a tent. I was not allowed to photograph them. I met about 17 or 18 of them, but they said they were part of a group of 30. They had more people helping them, helpers and their own medics. They were all ex-military, and some of them were still on active duty. Some of them were paratroopers, and at least one was from the Navy. They had AR-15s, TAR-21s, M16s, AK-47s [military assault rifles], but I didn’t see them with M79s [grenade launchers]. They told me that their job was to protect the Red Shirt protesters, but their real job was to terrorize the soldiers.
[T]hese guys were fearless. They operated mostly at night, but sometimes also during the day. They went out in small teams [to confront the army].…
They didn’t use walkie-talkies, just mobile phones and runners [to deliver messages]. I saw no interaction with the Red Shirt leaders. But these guys were contacted by someone, someone recruited them to come, I have no idea who. Someone provided them with weapons…. They rationed their bullets—when they went out they had 30 bullets [each].
They weren’t really “black” shirts—they were sometimes in green military uniforms and others dressed like Red Shirt protesters. They didn’t have any relationship with the Red Guards, and weren’t interested in dealing with the Red Shirt leaders.… They took their work very seriously. The guys I met, they knew how to move and shoot. They also had experience handling explosives.… The Black Shirts didn’t come to try and take territory—they shoot and then they leave, they hit [the soldiers] and retreat.

A Thai journalist stationed near Bon Kai junction said the Black Shirt militants he encountered during the May 17-19 clashes were well-armed, appeared to be trained in military tactics, and seemed to have a separate command line from the Red Shirt Guards:

From what I saw, the Black Shirt militants and the Red Shirt protesters were fighting alongside each other in the areas around Bon Kai junction. But they did not share the same command line. The Red Shirts seemed to be driven by anger as they saw soldiers moving in and opening fire at the protesters. They burned tires and used slingshots to shoot metal bolts, rocks, and fire crackers at soldiers. They also tried to use petrol bombs and homemade rockets, made of PVC [durable plastic] and metal pipes, to attack soldiers. But the aim of their rockets was not accurate enough to hit soldier bunkers and cause any serious damage. Some of the Red Shirts went out on foot and motorcycles to challenge soldiers to come out from their bunkers and fight openly. But they had to dash back behind the barricades when soldiers shot them with rubber bullets and live rounds. This cat-and-mouse game went on all day. I only saw two of the Red Shirts firing at soldiers with revolver pistols.
The Black Shirts, on the other hand, were well armed. They attacked soldiers with AK-47 and HK-33 assault rifles, and M79 grenade launchers. They were also very cautious when they moved around, using smoke as their cover. They appeared to benefit from the havoc created by the Red Shirts, which distracted soldiers as well. The Black Shirts did not stay in one spot for too long. They moved around, took their positions, opened fire, and then retreated. The way they operated reminded me of those with military training. Some of the Black Shirts used walkie-talkies, while others use mobile phones, to communicate with each other. Their operations seemed to be coordinated by a man who always had sunglasses on. At one point, I heard him giving orders to the Black Shirts to fire M79 grenades at the bunkers and sniper posts of soldiers. But when I asked the Black Shirts about that man, they told me I should not raise that question again if I want to stay behind their line. The Red Shirts that I talked to said they did not know who that man was either. Nevertheless, they believed that the Black Shirts were there to protect them and help them fight more effectively.

phiphidon, on 2012-05-19 15:28:01, said:

Wrong as usual!
Thaksin was a self appointed care taker Prime Minister at the time!
He was not Royally endorsed, and while he even admitted this and promised to step down, he hung onto it!
And then came September the 6th!

Get your facts right PhiPhiDon!

phiphidon, on 2012-05-19 15:28:01, said:

Absolutely. The downward spiral continues. I was actually hoping for good things after the "clone" was seated... but I was mistaken. My business has posted it's worst numbers in 6 years and no relief in sight. But I suppose you retirees who sit around and do little to nothing each day don't really resonate with the severity of the situation. So where is the Thaksin redemption promised? No where. It's all empty drivel and I am suffering tremendously because of all this Shinawatra stupidity and lunacy. He can deliver nothing to the masses and the sooner he evaporates the better off this country will be.

Lovat, on 2010-09-18 13:41:30, said:

That "pile" had a heap of 1,199 words albeit 992 words were his/her own. That's a tremendous amount even for a dedicated Devil's Advocate.
One should really take into account that generally speaking, people who make piles usually leave corresponding holes.

Scout666, on 2010-09-18 17:21:47, said:

Ok, so you can count. You can even direct a snide comment my way. That's special. Unfortunately, you have still yet to deal with the  facts of the case. The deceased had a past that excluded him from entry into the Kingdom of Thailand, and yet he was here. The deceased was not forthcoming with his  clients and the deceased  had somedomestic violence issues. Is there a possibility that you shared the same  views as the deceased and that  the  uncovering of the deceased's past may present a problem for you? Instead of attaching the devil's advicate to me,  why don't you deal with the isues at hand. You calim to be a  friend of his, so then perhaps you can explain why he  deceived people and why he was allegedly still in communication with his old neo nazi associates? Please provide your opinion as to whether or not he was communicating with some of his old friends from the "Refuge in the  public toilets campaign" or from "The defefense of the  dead people campaign" Which saw a heroic battle undertaken by the deceased and  some very dangerous piles of bones in a cemetary.

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Geriatric Kid. Despite your name I am confident that it has never occured to and never wil,l that you have the argumentative logic of a five year old. God know how many hours you wasted putting that pile of clap trap together. I can almost see yourself now preening in the mirror  and thinking 'My wasn';t I smart"
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You have written a snotty opinion, but  have not provided anything substantive. If you feel that my comments in respect to this case are unwarranted, then please explain. Are you in denial or do you have a reading comprehension problem? How many times does the question have to be asked as to whether or not the deceased ever repudiated his past actions. It is wonderful that you joined up on September 14 to provide your wisdom on the case. However, until you provide some  verifiable information that the deceased was not involved in deceitful behaviour at the time of his demise and that the deceased had cut off all contact from his former neo nazis pals, you will have a difficult time revising the deceased's public image.  

Would you care to comment on the fact that many of the hate websites for countries such as  Sweden and Norway are hosted and maintained outside of those countries because of the existence of  laws that act to stop the propogation of hate. Who do you think provides the coding and the support for such websites, which in turn are hosted elsewhere. Please share your advanced knowledge. You  can call me a 5 year old if you want, however it seems that I am smart enough to connect the dots.

And sorry if you didn't like my reference to the goat's udder for the mead making. Back in the day we did read Norse mythology. Dreadfully boring but now I find it helps me understand some of the Norse residents of Thailand. Did you know that Odin consumed only wine and ate no food?

Lovat:" Pattaya is packed with former members of the British National Front, The Nationalist Socialist Party of the UK, British Movement, Column 88, all full of skinheads and the belief that the 'holocaust was greatly exaggerrated or did not exist. Then of course there were the Chelsea Headhunters who sort of lost most of their 'nigger' and 'banana'  taunts from the terraces after pretty much the whole of the Chelsea team became 'tinted'. <br />Most of these guys have Thai wives. They grew up and/or took to drugs.<br />Nothing brave about this story, just a matter of looking up newspaper and television libraries in Sweden. The Swedish Nazi party did not look massive on the video. On almost all occasions when they took to the streets they were outnumbered by the young socialists. I would be worried if Johan was a member of a more credible nazi organisation.<br />

Wintermute: Maybe the meaning of &quot;nazi&quot; means something different in Britain but why would they marry non-white thai women? It's a hilarious contradiction of what their political/social philosophy is. <br /><br />Sorry, but I agree with some people here a nazi is a nazi. The chickens just came home to roost as it usually does for people like this.<br />[/quote]<br /><br /><br />

Lovat: I rather think the contradiction was my original point. But as you spotted it thanks for the repeat..  But people do grow out of these things. Or perhaps they didn't really get it in the first place?

A Nazi is always a Nazi. What a load of poppycock. People do grow up to be more educated.

MikeyIdea, on 2010-09-20 09:17:31, said:

What's crap? The fact that the deceased was a  thug and a bully? Do you have any comment on his conviction in court for violent criminal acts? This man attacked legally elected representatives of the government. He made threats of violence against them as well as journalists.  His criminal past precluded him from entering the Kingdom of Thailand. As per Article 12 of the Immigration Act, the deceased did not meet the criteria of entry. Did he or did he not conceal his criminal past from the  Thai authorities? The requirement for a permanent resident visa reads as follows;
The applicant must apply in person as the Immigration Bureau will require a set of fingerprints for the purpose of a criminal record check.
This is done by the Police Clearance Service, or more specifically as follows; พิมพ์ลายนิ้วมือกับเจ้าหน้าที่ (Take the fingerprints by officer)

The deceased was also obliged to complete the following declaration;
Attention for Applicant: I hereby declare that I have answered all required questions in this application fully and truthfully and that in no case shall Iviolate Thai laws and regulations during my stay in Thailand.

Well, you know what? If the deceased provided a false declaration, then he not only was a convicted cowardly thug, but he was a liar as well.  

How about you come clean and state you interest in this matter. What's your involvement? Are you a supporter of the  deceased's political views? Did you participate in the coverup and deceit? Do you wish to comment on whether or not he was still supporting his former colleagues ongoing activity? Any comment on whether or not the deceased was performing services for questionable entities?

Thi s isn't about me. You and the other deniers refuse to face the truth.  This death has served to shine the light into a dark place where evil hid. Deal with it.

England showed its mettle on this the anniversary of the Battle of Britain. To let apologists push the truth aside does not uphold one's duty to honour and respect those that gave their lives so that the world would be free of faciasts like Mr. Winlof.

geriatrickid, on 2010-09-20 10:26:48, said:

so he deserved to be stabbed to death? you seems to condoning his murder

MikeyIdea, on 2010-09-20 10:31:08, said:

You keep describing the facts, the reality, as crap. Yet, you have not refuted one point. Can you provide one fact that shows the deceased was anything but a violent criminal illegally in the country? If  the best that you can do is to  keep writing is "It's crap", it speaks volume as you your cognitive abilities and way of life in Thailand.  Instead of attacking me, deal with the  facts of the case.

And no, I do not condone the murder. However, as long as people like the deceased and the perverts that make the front page of the PDN and HKT Gaz end up in Thailand, it makes life difficult for the respectable decent foreigners in the country. It's people like the deceased that give the immigration department  a basis upon which to impose cumbersome  visa laws that make life difficult for regular folk. The deceased never took responsibility for his past and he lived a life of deceit.

I didn't know Johan but we have been drinking tougher a couple of times. I can safely say that he was a "pro drinker" but I never ever saw him hostile. Some guys get crazy when they are drunk, some become bullies, some become tired, some become happy. Johan was the later one. He was the type of guy who always was cheerful and happy when he was  drunk. He was just a genuinely nice guy in my mind. It makes me sad to read all those speculations of him being a bully. From what I have heard the ex girlfriend is nowhere near safe legally wise.

MikeyIdea, on 2010-09-21 09:07:36, said:

No, but he spent years campaigning for violence and expulsion against people that don't look like him. Did he personally know those people?

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I like to save my sympathy for people who deserve such feelings.Let's face it some individuals carve out a path for themselves that ends in ruin.

MikeyIdea, on 2010-09-22 08:04:20, said:

Your statement appears hypocritical when one reads your comment on the death sentence passed in the case of the  man that "confessed" to murder.
That was a fair verdict that I support Death fair? Yes, and had it been my 5-year-old and no death sentence then I'd have to do it myself  Excellent display of action by the Thai courts

The deceased was convicted of violent crimes against vulnerable members of society. The deceased also made attacks and threats  made against public servants and journalists. Surely, if you are willing  to  carry out a death sentence on someone yourself, you can respect the court ruling of a Swedish criminal court.  Why is the Thai court decision excellent and yet the Swedish court decision(s) dismissed? The man that you did not know and that you claim merits a display of manners  savagely beat up people and showed no remorse. He was in the country contrary to the requirements stated in the  Immigraction Act.   If you wish to  raise the issue of manners, then it is you sir that has shown a profound disrespect for the victims of this man's crimes. He was the lowest form of thug.

Interesting part of the bible (King James version) Galatians 6:8  that you may wish to consider; "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting."  Your deceased sowed the seeds of hate and evil and he reaped  its bounty.  If you have ever seen Pulp Fiction, Samuel Jackson  plays a  hitman that quotes Revelations as he kills drug dealers that don't pay their debts.. Think of  this event as a Thai  off broadway production of Pulp Fiction.

To MikeyIdea,

I did not, nor do I wish to be associated with the ridiculous ranting from geriatrickid and thereby end up in a mindless tit-for-tat conversation however, after reading your latest post, I felt that I should at least join in and convey my thanks. Not only to you but thanks also, to those others who, by their comments at least, are presumably finding his writings provocative in the extreme - not to mention incredibly tiresome.



To Geriatrickid - you used the word 'bully' with regards to Johan. Be mindful - you are bullying people with your writings.

Harmless is it?

I think not; if one is to truly believe that the pen is indeed mightier than the sword!

You stated that one can reap what one sows – I humbly suggest that you apply that adage with regards to your own wellbeing.

Thank you!

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