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  2. Samui Bodoh

    Majority support death penalty: Super Poll

    Hmm... Do the 93.4% also agree that the Thai police are honest, efficient, trustworthy and professional? Do the 93.4% also agree that the bureaucracy surrounding the legal system (administration clerks, evidence handlers, CSI people, etc) are honest, efficient, trustworthy and professional? Do the 93.4% also agree that the Judiciary is honest, efficient, trustworthy and professional? Unless the answer to all the above is "Yes", then it is irrational to think that the Death Penalty should be used. BTW, if you look at the papers today, there are already questions being asked about the person put to death last week. LAST WEEK! Utilizing the Death Penalty in Thailand is madness; there are too many things that can and will go wrong, and the likelihood of executing innocent people is simply too high. MUCH too high.
  3. rooster59

    Thailand Live Sunday 24 Jun 2018

    Kroos missile secures last-gasp Germany win By Philip O'Connor Soccer Football - World Cup - Group F - Germany vs Sweden - Fisht Stadium, Sochi, Russia - June 23, 2018 Germany's Toni Kroos celebrates scoring their first goal with Marco Reus REUTERS/Hannah McKay SOCHI, Russia (Reuters) - A stoppage-time goal from Toni Kroos gave holders Germany a dramatic 2-1 win over Sweden on Saturday to reignite their hopes of qualifying for the World Cup last 16. Full story: https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1044607-kroos-missile-secures-last-gasp-germany-win/
  4. The Pajero driver did not need all three lanes to U turn, it is his fault that he caused the Vios to go off the road into a tree. I have been in one of these vehicle and they can turn faster than this Forestry guy turned. Just guessing it was his attitude and poor driving skills that really caused this accident. Geezer
  5. Kroos missile secures last-gasp Germany win By Philip O'Connor Soccer Football - World Cup - Group F - Germany vs Sweden - Fisht Stadium, Sochi, Russia - June 23, 2018 Germany's Toni Kroos celebrates scoring their first goal with Marco Reus REUTERS/Hannah McKay SOCHI, Russia (Reuters) - A stoppage-time goal from Toni Kroos gave holders Germany a dramatic 2-1 win over Sweden on Saturday to reignite their hopes of qualifying for the World Cup last 16. Having lost their opening game to Mexico, the Germans looked to be heading for a draw until Kroos curled in a superb strike from wide on the left to secure victory for the four-times world champions. They are now level with Sweden in Group F on three points, behind leaders Mexico who have six. Sweden took the lead in the 32nd minute when Ola Toivonen finished confidently after Kroos gave the ball away in midfield, chesting the ball down expertly before lifting it over Manuel Neuer. Marco Reus equalised in the 48th minute and despite having Jerome Boateng sent off in the 82nd minute, Germany kept going and Kroos's shot five minutes into stoppage time earned them a famous win. "We did not take our chances. We should have taken the lead in the opening minutes and we failed to do that (but) there is joy now," Kroos told reporters. "I know a lot of people would have been happy for us to be eliminated but we will not make it that easy for them ... now we must recover, we don't have too much time, and we must beat South Korea." It was a cruel blow for the Swedes, who gave their all but came up just short. "It's probably the worst end of a game I've experienced in my career, that we didn't get a draw, but the whole group is still alive, so we'll have to lick our wounds and come back for the next one," Sweden coach Janne Andersson said. Defending deep and looking to counter, the Swedes started shakily but took the lead when they punished Kroos for giving the ball away by quickly finding Toivonen, who lifted the ball deftly over Neuer. FIZZING PASSES With Germany getting in behind Sweden's full backs at will and fizzing passes across the box, it looked like a matter of time before they scored, but Toivonen's goal gave Sweden breathing space. Neuer saved the Germans from being 2-0 down at halftime, diving acrobatically to deflect Berg's header from Sebastian Larsson's stoppage-time free kick. Reus connected with his knee to steer the ball home for the equaliser early in the second half to mark the beginning of a massive German offensive. Substitute Mario Gomes gave the Germans a physical presence they had lacked, but he spurned two superb chances. Boateng's sending-off for his second yellow card eight minutes from time made little difference as the Germans continued to push forward in search of the winner. Sweden had tired from their enormous defensive effort, but substitute John Guidetti should have done better than a lame shot, oblivious to the unmarked Emil Forsberg who was steaming through the middle. From there the Germans launched the attack that led to substitute Jimmy Durmaz tripping Timo Werner and conceding the free kick that set up the chance for Kroos to curl in the winner. The ball arced over helpless keeper Robin Olsen into the net, sparking an explosion of German joy on the bench and in the stands as the reigning champions kick-started their World Cup campaign. "I told them to keep their calm in the next 45 minutes and to not start panicking and try to work long, high balls but to continue with short passes and go vertical to the wings and try to be incisive," Germany coach Joachim Loew told reporters. "Something that I did appreciate was that we didn't lose our nerve, we didn't panic after going down. And in the second half the pressure built up more and more," he added. -- © Copyright Reuters 2018-06-24
  6. Mahseer

    Flight Chiang Mai to Mandalay

    Bangkok Airways.
  7. It doesn't say the mother doesn't have money. It says she won't pay because her ex husband should pay. And he doesn't want to pay. It was extra money for learning with a native speaker. Do you know how much it costs for a small school to hire a native speaker. This mother needs to take responsibility. She should have paid it and sorted it out with the father or taken the child out of the English class. I want a Mercedes benz but my husband won't pay either. So I do extra work or I don't get one. This mother is clearly shirking her responsibility. There's nothing wrong with the shirt. The writing is on a piece of tape. Quite innotive of the teacher to come up with that, I thought. I'll remember that next time my students don't pay.
  8. Samui Bodoh

    A clampdown launched by the police against mediums

    This would have to be the easiest case in the world to prosecute... "Your Honour, the fact that we were able to arrest them demonstrates that they didn't see us coming." "Good point." "Guilty!" "Next."
  9. Aussieroaming

    Dump truck dumps 'processed human waste' onto highway: Indiana State Police

    The heading should read Dump truck takes huge dump
  10. mgthom63

    Brit, 31, found dead in Bangkok hotel room

    Like I've already said or implied, your willingness to tar every Thai-based expat on this forum with the same brush as the scum you associated with during your time in Thailand defies logic and, at best, indicates bigotry, naivety and ignorance. If you can't understand this, I'm not surprised you were taken for a ride. Relying on your strange 'logic', you yourself were a low-life, uneducated loser for the three years you lived as an expat in Thailand? But now you're not and justified in hurling those kind of insults against those expats on this forum whose only 'crime' is to choose to remain living in Thailand? Whining against Thai justice (or injustice) is irrelevant... I commented about your slurs against expats on this forum and the negative character traits you associated them with...with absolutely no evidence. To state the obvious, this thread is about a man who lost his son. It has nothing to do with expats choosing to live in Thailand. Could you please show some decorum and take your irrational and bigoted rant elsewhere.
  11. rooster59

    Thailand Live Sunday 24 Jun 2018

    SPECIAL REPORT: A painful judgement on land rights By PIYAPORN WONGRUANG THE SUNDAY NATION The aged Karen Ko-I during the transfer from Bangkloi Bon to Bangkloi Lang during the Tenessarim Operation. THE TOP COURT’S RECENT VERDICT IN THE CASE OF KAREN FOREST DWELLERS HAS LEFT THEM WITHOUT THEIR TRADITIONAL LAND Full story: https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1044606-special-report-a-painful-judgement-on-land-rights/
  12. SPECIAL REPORT: A painful judgement on land rights By PIYAPORN WONGRUANG THE SUNDAY NATION The aged Karen Ko-I during the transfer from Bangkloi Bon to Bangkloi Lang during the Tenessarim Operation. THE TOP COURT’S RECENT VERDICT IN THE CASE OF KAREN FOREST DWELLERS HAS LEFT THEM WITHOUT THEIR TRADITIONAL LAND SHORTLY after the helicopter took off, those left behind could hear the bamboo stalks breaking, making a sound like the crackling of wood burning in a fire. The officials from Kaeng Krachan National Park offered a chopper ride to the elderly Karen, Ko-I Meemi, who honoured his daughter’s request that he move downhill from the steep-sloped upper mountain. But the good wishes shared between the parties during the chopper ride would soon turn into hostile retaliation as each side staked out their legal and physical territory in what would become a high-profile case of alleged forest encroachment as well as alleged wrongful acts of the state against indigenous people. The case went on for seven years before the Supreme Administrative Court issued its final ruling last week, providing a critical lesson to Thai society on the state’s handling of land rights that have been deprived or forgotten by the state. Through thorough testimony,deliberation, and investigation by the Supreme Administrative Court and the previous court over the past six years, facts concerning the case have been pieced together and revealed to the public about what actually happened in the deep forest of Kaeng Krachan during the so-called Tenessarim Operation initiated by Chaiwat Limlikhit-aksorn, the new park chief at that time. As he took up the position at the park in Phetchaburi province in late 2009, as noted in the park’s summary report and the courts’ verdicts, Chaiwat initiated the operation in 2010 in an attempt to push back so-called “encroachers”, claimed to be “a minority group” from the Thai-Myanmar border. The park and some concerned senior park officials had acknowledged that these people tended to cross the border and travel through the Phachee River Wildlife Sanctuary adjacent to Kaeng Krachan. There, in the deep mountains they would occupy plots of land vacated by Karen occupants, especially the two communities of Bangkloi Bon (the Upper Bangkloi), and Jai Pan Din (the heart of the land). The Karen of the two communities, 56 families including Ko-I’s, had been relocated from those communities during the park’s relocation plan in 1996 to new villages – Bangkloi Lang (the Lower Bangkloi), and Pong Luek – below and have resettled there since. The park officials claimed that they had confirmation from community leaders that none of the residents of the two upper villages in the deep mountain had moved back there following their resettlement below. After some negotiations with the so-called encroachers during their first three operations, the team of park officials and military officers, in their fourth operation in mid-May 2011, decided to burn the dwellings and contents found on the plots of land_98 in total. Their reasoning, they later told the court, was that they could not leave the properties to be reoccupied again after they had found several instances of wrongdoing in the area, including forest clearing, harvesting of large trees, and marijuana-growing. After a series of property burnings, six Karen, including Ko-I, emerged, claiming their homes in Bangkloi Bon and Jai Pan Din had been burned down along with their belongings as a result of the operation. They later filed a complaint with the Administrative Court on May 4, 2012, accusing the park officials of having used excessive authority without advance notice. They argued that the operation had thus been unlawful, and had violated the Constitution that guaranteed community rights. As well, the action broke several international human rights conventions, including the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD), along with the Cabinet Resolution issued in 2010 to secure Karen’s rights. The Karen called for restitution worth Bt9.53 million to come from Chaiwat’s supervisors, the Department of National Parks, Wildlife and Plant Conservation, and the Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment. They also called on the court to allow them to relocate to their old villages of Bangkloi Bon and Jai Pan Din and to require that the two defendants follow the 2010 Cabinet resolution. “The burnings on properties of the six plaintiffs are unlawful as it was an administrative act out of proportion,” claimed the six plaintiffs’ complaint to the court. “This resulted in the six losing their homes, food and clothes and was thus a violation against them.” The truth told Following deliberations at the first court trial, the court declared as facts that the six plaintiffs were Karen who lived in the Bangkloi Lang and Pong Luek villages below, and the controversial plots in the deep mountain were newly cleared forest land with no indication they were traditional and old communities. As such the six plaintiffs had violated the National Parks Act, the court pointed. Furthermore, it said the park officials had conducted three operations before burning down the properties and had negotiated terms with the encroachers they had met. In the other three operations, the team had used helicopters to get to the villages, the court noted, while Chaiwat and other community leaders travelled by foot to get there. Along the way, they learned about wrongdoings, including clearing forestland, harvesting large trees, and growing marijuana. Despite the terms that had been previously negotiated, those discoveries legitimised their subsequent burning activities as proportional and lawful and they had followed the authority given to them under Section 22 of the National Parks Act, the court stated. Their actions thus did not violate the six plaintiffs as complained, said the court. In view of the court’s ruling that the controversial plots of land were newly cleared, the six plaintiffs had no rights to claim and were not entitled to protection of rights against administrative orders issued by Chaiwat, the court said. And Chaiwat had no need to come up with advance notice procedures. Finally, because the officials’ authority was considered lawful, they had thus not violated the Constitution and other conventions. However, the court said that because it was in the park officials’ capacity to take their belongings out of the properties before burning down, it was a violation caused by the enforcement of law. “The National Parks Department must compensate the loss of their belongings at Bt10,000 per person,” the court ruled. Both parties in the conflict, however, decided to appeal to the Supreme Court, which heard the case and issued its verdict on June 12. After considering all testimony, investigation, and deliberations, the Supreme Court pronounced the facts and concluded that the six plaintiffs were indigenous Karen who did, indeed, live in Bangkloi Bon and Jai Pan Din villages deep in the mountain of Kaeng Krachan. But there was a complication: the Karen land was located in a Forest Reserve declared in 1965 and in 1981 was incorporated into Kaeng Krachan National Park. In 1996, these people had been relocated to Bangkloi Lang and Pong Luek, but felt they could not continue there because it was not in harmony with their way of life. Some returned to their old communities and continued utilising the land, the Supreme Court declared. The court decided that the Karen had the right to file the original complaint on May 4, 2012 and had done so on time, within one year after the incident took place. There was another issue to consider, the court pointed out: Did the officials violate the rights of the Karen and, if so, what compensation should they get? To analyse this, the court said it needed to consider first whether the officials had burned the six plaintiffs’ properties. Based on all facts checked, the court found that the defendants’ testimonies and Chaiwat’s testimony to the National Human Rights Commission had demonstrated that there was an order issued by Chaiwat to demolish and burn the properties, thought to be of the “encroachers” the officials had negotiated with. As well, a “wrongdoer” was arrested, later identified as Ko-I’s son, prompting the court to conclude that the incidents, had in fact happened to the six. The court then turned to whether or not the action had violated the six. According to the verdict, the top court declared the Karen to be indigenous people who lived in Bangkloi Bon and Jai Pan Din. But because the land had been declared as being located in a park, and they had no land documents to show their rights, the Karen had thus violated Section 16 of the National Parks Act, which prohibited people from occupying forestland. The officials, on the other hand, have authority under Section 22 to remove properties that encroached on forestland, but it must be done within the law, especially if it were likely to affect people’s rights. Section 22 is actually accompanied by procedures that require that the accused be informed officially and in writing, before action is taken against them. The court stated that although the officials had enforced the section and met the intention of the law, the law still did not allow them to use their judgement and discretion. The action, the court pointed out, had seriously and excessively affected the plaintiffs’ rights. Thus, the officials’ action amounted to an excessive exercise of power and failed to follow proper procedures. Furthermore, it violated the 2012 Cabinet resolution requiring officials to cease actions against Karen and instead provide them protection in controversial situations. Therefore, the court declared, the officials’ action was unlawful, caused damage and must be subject to liability. The court then ruled that the defendant officials must be held responsible to compensate for the burned properties of the six Karen, in addition to their belongings, worth in total Bt50,000 per Karen, within 30 days of the verdict being issued. The lost land rights Things would be different if the land laws had been written otherwise. According to land rights experts, land was distributed to people after a major reform during the reign of King Rama V, when the first land deeds were issued to ordinary people, as well as laws promulgated concerning land rights. The critical point of change was made following the sixth land deed issuance law in 1936, when land occupation and utilisation by ordinary people nationwide was recognised – including that of indigenous people. Then 18 years later, in 1954, the Land Code was formalised, and a land document issuance system introduced as a result. People occupyingland before the Land Code was in efffect were required to inform the state and to get Sor Kor 1 documents in order to be able to secure the land-deed, which is a critical condition for affirming a person’s land rights. Those having land rights recognised before the 1936 sixth land deed issuance law were still allowed to claim land deeds. However, they were also required to declare their right to occupy lands and have the Sor Kor 1 document, following the coup order in 1972. But more critical is that the law nullified their previously recognised land rights if the land was declared as part of a reserved or protected forest area. This was addressed again in 1985, when the Land Code was amended, with land surveys conducted and forestland removed from the issuance of land documents. Retired General Surin Pikultong, a former member of the state land encroachment resolution committee and now a chairman of an executive committee resolving spiritual and habitation issues concerning Karen land, said that during those years changes in land rights took place, and the Karen were deprived of their land rights. The Karen were reclassifed as “encroachers” on their own land, despite their land rights having previously been birthed and recognised. Surin said the state had repeatedly attempted to address the issue, putting forward several amendments to laws and Cabinet resolutions, but they all floundered over the failure to first recognise their land rights, he said. Concerned officials, he added, need to carefully study the issue and ensure they have full knowledge before taking action. As the rights of the Karen to land was previously recognised by the state, Surin says they should be seen as still existing. Officials should screen out encroachers to differentiate them. They should also seriously work on demarcation to determine territories. Establishing clear boundaries, he said, should help officials control encroachment and impacts on forest ecosystems as well. “It’s not just about law, but the rule of law,” said Surin. “The problem that we have is we don’t know about it, or do not know enough.” A longtime land rights expert, Asst Professsor Eathipol Srisawaluck, of the Thailand Research Fund’s Land Forum, said it would be impossible now to claim land rights recognised by the state as the laws were in place and they were applied to everyone. In recent years, Eathipol said, the government has been attempting to resolve the issue through Cabinet resolutions to assign land use rights to those having conflicting claims in forest areas. He agreed that it’s a policy that needs to be addressed, and the officials just have done their best by following the laws. New mechanisms to take care of social components need to be developed and introduced to help settle the issue, Eathipol said, adding that the national land policy committee has just resolved to introduce such measures to deal with it. As for Chaiwat, he said after the court ruling that he accepted the Supreme Court ruling, and was glad that at least people were not allowed to return to live in the forest he fought for. Surapong Kongchantuk, a human rights lawyer who helped the Karen in the case, meanwhile, still places hopes on the 2010 Cabinet resolution to make way for the Karen to return to their old villages in the deep mountain. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30348473 -- © Copyright The Nation 2018-06-24
  13. Between the hyperbole and the lies, Brexit is sliding out of control. Not in our wildest imagination, two years ago, could we have dreamed that it would come to this. http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86911
  14. The issue is not if he is innocent or not. The issue is he was poor, 19 years old and convicted because someone identified him. he claimed innocence throughout the trial. There is now doubt about his guilt. The rushed , unchecked execution was an abomination in itself.
  15. I have never had a problem with Amazon when buying anything, all my problems have been when ordering Ebooks for my kindle, it has been problem after problem, with dreadful service, it would take all day to write about it.
  16. tracker1

    A clampdown launched by the police against mediums

    Isn't there one running the country ? and also seeks the assistance of one ? Bringing happiness back to the people Hmmmm good place to start
  17. PAT have the encoders (I'm assured they are in stock) for 250 Baht a pop. So that's my backup plan if I can't fix the existing ones. The Hall sensors should arrive Monday if the tracking information is reasonably accurate.
  18. We all can say this that it caused 3 people to die. Not good But I may be a little negative in saying this Look at the guy who was in the accident? The Pajero driver. He fled the scene of the accident which caused 3 people to die and he is sitting there playing with his mobile like nothing happened I would be a screaming mess, Either he has nerves of steel or he just don't care what he did.
  19. hoping to be lucky enough to get cash handouts distributed by a wealthy businessman Hmmm could also be if you vote for the elite and the junta !
  20. To commit suicide whilst totally straight shows just how disturbed he was, poor bloke.
  21. rooster59

    Thailand Live Sunday 24 Jun 2018

    ‘Revolutionary Things’ offers insights into a historic transition in Thai history By Phatarawadee Phataranawik The Sunday Nation The stunning old wooden pediment featuring a deity holding an image of the symbolic constitution from Wat Trimitr is among the highlight at "Revolutionary Things" exhibition at Cartel Artspace. Photo courtesy of Cartel Artspace Eight-six years ago this day, the Siamese Revolution of 1932 led by the People’s Party spurred the Kingdom’s historic transition from an absolute monarchy to a constitutional monarchy when King Rama VII agreed to a codified Constitution to end the bloodless coup. Full story: https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1044605-‘revolutionary-things’-offers-insights-into-a-historic-transition-in-thai-history/
  22. ‘Revolutionary Things’ offers insights into a historic transition in Thai history By Phatarawadee Phataranawik The Sunday Nation The stunning old wooden pediment featuring a deity holding an image of the symbolic constitution from Wat Trimitr is among the highlight at "Revolutionary Things" exhibition at Cartel Artspace. Photo courtesy of Cartel Artspace Eight-six years ago this day, the Siamese Revolution of 1932 led by the People’s Party spurred the Kingdom’s historic transition from an absolute monarchy to a constitutional monarchy when King Rama VII agreed to a codified Constitution to end the bloodless coup. To commemorate the historic event in modern Thai history, young architecture scholar Chatri Prakitnontakan and curator Kittima Chareeprasit symbolised the political concepts and ideology of the People’s Party through a new art exhibition “Revolutionary Things”, which opens today at Cartel Artspace in Bangkok. “Within merely 15 years [1932-1947], the People’s Party devised and introduced many significant policies that uprooted the longstanding dogmas and norms with the aspiration to develop and modernise the country in different aspects, which are also manifested in art, design and architecture,” architect Chatri told The Sunday Nation. The People’s Party promoted “constitutionalism” and “the Six Principles”, he said, citing national independence in all respects including the political, the judicial and economic; national security; economic well-being; guaranteeing equality; liberty and freedom; and education to the people. Chatri has been doing this research for a decade by studying objects found across Thailand in order to understand their efforts to move the country into the modern era. Regarded as cultural evidence from that era, these surviving objects have allowed them to explore the successes and failures of the People’s Party. Running through July 29, the show features more than 50 cultural objects ranging from daily utensils like jars, water bowls, and buttons, to state-led construction of things like flagpole base, monuments, and architecture, to even religious items, for example, Buddhist pulpit, pediment, and talipot fan stand. Among the highlights is the stunning old wooden pediment featuring a deity holding an image of the symbolic constitution over her head from the sermon hall at Talingchan Temple in Bangkok. “Most of them share a “similar” feature – the image of democracy, symbolised by the constitution on the foot-tray – similar to the one in the Democracy Monument conceived by Professor Silpa Bhirasri and their popular mottos created by or under the influence of the People’s Party,” explained Chatri, who now teaches at Silpakorn University. Curator Kittima added that the concept of “democracy” is also a symbol of progress and modernity, which plays a part in the trend towards the creation of different objects to reflect such symbols and values. “Many Thai architectures of that era show modernity and also convey political statements,” said Chatri. Among them is the old Supreme Court complex, which has six pillars symbolising the Six Principles. Another important piece is the replica of the old crematorium at Wat Trimitr, which was later demolished. The building was first constructed for commoners reflecting the People’s Party concerns for the life of common folk. Kittima added that the art-deco style was influenced by the art and designs in vogue in that era. The idea of fascism – a form of radical authoritarian nationalism – was also introduced in Thai art. “Besides the state-ordered architecture, the trend also appears in everyday objects that shows many people were celebrating democracy in the modern era of Thailand,” he explained. “The array of cultural works reflects the images of commoners, equality, and modernity. This movement ultimately gave birth to a new form of Thai art that can be called the art of the People’s Party,” said Kittima, who teaches at Chiang Mai’s Fine Arts Faculty and is a founder of “Waiting Your Curator Lab”, a multidisciplinary practice. A coup staged in 1947 led to the end of the People’s Party. The modern ideas on Thai art slid to celebrate the three main pillars – nationalism, religion and monarchy. On this occasion, Waiting You Curator Lab Publishing has collaborated with Rabbithood Studio to design “Revolutionary Things Game Cards” that aim to help audiences to understand more about the works of the People’ Party as well as their ideology. By scanning the QR code on the card by mobile phone, players can read the history of 52 products that are on display. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30348460 -- © Copyright The Nation 2018-06-24
  23. PatOngo

    Prayuth Promotes Plans as Euro Tour Continues

    I can see the future...….and I'm not smiling!
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