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  1. Like I said it's meaningless to compare it to the population of visitors, we know this is only happening to people with say >180 days in the Kingdom in the last 365, and under 50s. Most visitors come once or less per year and have nothing to worry about. Average tourist stay is 10 days. But it's still unfair for this to be happening to people who aren't breaking any set laws on tourist visa use, say they use one METV then leave for 2 months and come back, or have a few SETVs then switch to Ed visas to learn Thai. And both those examples they had 20k on them. Plus if they didn't have it they're not allowed ATM access. If you're going to be here for years on end then sure, expect questions, but it shouldn't be happening to people who've only been here 9 - 18 months or so, no ATM access, no right of appeal in detention, overpriced last minute flight home, meanwhile consulates issue visas willy nilly and people either show proof of funds when applying or aren't asked. I know a French guy in early Feb 2017, Hong Kong guy in late Feb, US guy in April, then a German guy in July (the one who had 25k on him), and he met another denied TVF poster while he was in the detention room. Then the US / Afghani guy from yesterday, the muay Thai guy from Facebook, and a guy who commented on a friend's blog, that's 8 people in 2017 off the top of my head, then I do recall people posting in other people's threads saying it happened to them too. There are a lot from 2014, there were many visa issues that year, then it got better, now it's bad again, these things come and go in cycles. You can't really compare it linearly over time, you get upticks, then next thing Thailand is giving out free tourist visas :)
  2. Yes I did but the sharp uptick in denials is a 2017 phenomenon. Looks like I just missed it. I'd be skeptical too but I know 4 people denied. I'm part of a community of under 50 digital nomads on a different forum. French guy in early Feb, Hong Kong guy in late Feb, US guy in April, then a German guy in July (the one who had 25k on him), and he met another TVF poster while he was in the detention room. I'd be the last person to make this stuff up or over-exaggerate it, I'm usually the one deliberately pointing out how long I've been here on tourist visas / exempts, that's why I made two threads about it in 2016. I understand why you think it's a troll but on Thaivisa the opposite would be a troll, someone claiming to have lived here ages on exempts to wind up the main demographic of TVF. Which I did in 2016 and maybe I'll be able to do again in 2018, these things come and go.
  3. They are pro immigration or at least neutral, when people assimilate and share the same values. Whereas Democrats over-encourage immigration regardless of assimilation / values because immigrants overwhelmingly vote Democrat. As for Thailand most us aren't even trying to 'migrate' (become citizens, vote, buy land, work, claim benefits, change the culture in any way etc.) we're just tourists that spend tons of money.
  4. The German guy that got denied and flew to Laos that had 25k, and the US / Afghani that had over 20k and was flown to Manila. There are others who replied to threads but didn't start them. If you really insist I will go back and dig up all the threads and replies to them and yes my numbers are correct. Then the ~100 math is a projection, based on common sense that most people won't bother to write about their awful experience on TVF / FB.
  5. I don't know what was unclear about my post, I said there may well be ~100 because for everyone that bothers to report it on TVF or FB groups, of which there are now over 15, there may be 5 or 6 others who didn't tell anyone. It's statistics. Anyone can search 'denied entry site:thaivisa.com' in Google and find the threads, then in the threads there's usually someone else who says yeah it happened to me too. About 15-20 in the last few months but I'm not diligently counting. So if there are 5 or 6 others per report that's about 100. There are several reports of people having the 20k in funds and still being denied so you're being deliberately disingenuous there. They're also not circumventing any rules whatsoever by, for example, staying 9 months on one METV, then flying out for 2 months, and returning. Or having three SETVs, then switching to an Ed visa to study Thai. Those two examples weren't doing anything untoward, and both had over 20k baht on their person. One of them I know personally.
  6. No one in any thread is claiming they have a right to enter. The actual issues are things like: - no ATMs before passport control - 20k in cash being totally useless as it proves nothing, and the robbery risk - no defined limits on repeated tourist visa use, consulates keep issuing them - little actual police work in stopping illegal workers in the country, just denying people at the border, and genuine tourists get caught up in that - people still being denied when they do have 20k - reports of no ability to appeal once in detention, overcharging for flight ticket, general poor treatment List goes on. Whole situation is a farce they could let people renew visas within the country like everywhere else in Asia, and ask for proof of funds then Yes first impressions are important but it's clear there is also abuse of power going on, I know 4 people that got denied and they all dress fine, are polite etc., it can't all be down to that
  7. @OP I'd come in by land If you do fly it helps to have a Thai girlfriend and/or landlord on speeddial to call and back up that you have an online business / don't work in the Kingdom etc. That helped people I know who got pulled aside.
  8. Links to the 15 or so threads about people getting denied? It would definitely make sense if >180 days per year on tourist visas triggers an alert too. If you mean links to official rules he said 'I think' and 'based on anecode', so obviously there aren't any.
  9. This has always been my suspicion, interesting report.
  10. All in their 20s US, French, German, white One Asian, Hong Kong
  11. Some ridiculous nitpickery over the OP using the word 'living', that just means existing. He's allowed to use the METV for 9 months if it's designed to allow that length of time for him to exist here. There's no visa abuse here. Immigration are concerned with people working illegally, not people using one visa for the maximum allotted time. The issue isn't 'living' whatever that means. People show Thai bank books at consulates as proof of funds when applying for visas, and condo rent contracts... they aren't told oh you look like you're 'living' here because you have a bank account and live in a condo.
  12. I personally know 4 people that were denied, including the Ed visa guy with 25k
  13. Another guy today, had the 20k, had been outside Thailand for 2 months, lifetime only spent 9 months in Thailand, the length of one METV
  14. You know it's more like 10 - 15, you're all over these threads. Anyway reports =/ number denied. For every report on Thaivisa or Facebook groups, there will be many more unreported cases. It may be over 100 people. We can't really compare that to the total sample size of people entering the country either, most come once or less per year and stay on average 10 days, they aren't going to denied obviously. If we only consider under 50s with a couple SETVs in their passport, maybe an METV or Ed visa here and there, then denials start to become more statistically significant. It's not something to trivialize especially when some of those denied had 20k+ in cash on their person.
  15. He's sat there texting on his iphone? 16yo wife with a 3 month old baby? Pregnant at 15? Jeez
  16. Digital Nomads

    I make sure to spend 10% of my income down Nana and Cowboy.
  17. Entry denied Bangkok Airport

    By this line of logic if one isn't a a digital nomad then they have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to digital nomads, i.e. if they use cafes, what kind of people they tend to be, their general habits, finances, expenditure, etc.
  18. He seems pretty spot on to me. Remember that recent buzz about possible changes to the retirement system, requiring a lot steeper financial commitments, The thread is 160 pages long, all the old bitters freaking out that they wouldn't be able to stay here any longer.
  19. There are half a dozen or others on thaivisa or in Facebook expat groups, within the last couple months. But if you're only coming 3 times a year it isn't risky. That's the problem with their decision though it'll scare off recreational tourists like yourself. It's entirely possible they get a new directive from above to stop doing this and it all blows over. That's how it normally happens with Thailand. They realise they're scaring off tourists and next thing you know they're giving out free tourist visas for a month. Then the cycle repeats. This news has been picked up by some national and international news media it's in the Nation and the Independent. Not great publicity.
  20. Just use land borders as you're thinking. Know guys in a similar spot as you who've had no issues via land.
  21. It pretty much is just airports. The Padang Besar incident was July 14, 2014. Someone accidentally linked it again thinking it was July 2017, then news media mistakenly inserted it into their articles, the Independent did: http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/thailand-tourist-visa-begpackers-crack-down-show-20000-baht-before-entering-country-immigration-a7846906.html "It has been reported that immigration officials at Padang Besar were pulling tourist visa holders aside on Friday 14 July, taking anyone who could not show they had 20,000 baht in cash away for questioning." Nice journalism
  22. That's the requirement to get the visa at the consulate, that's why it's listed next to the filled in application form and photo. If they don't ask for that cash when you apply (usually they don't), and then they give you the visa, one should rightly assume ok I'm fine now, I won't be pulled aside at the airport and not allowed to go to an ATM machine 10 metres away.... I don't know why this is so hard to understand. How can you possibly defend the willy nilly granting of visas at consulates, then that airport treatment. If it was your child on a gap year you'd be livid, first the consulate just takes their money for the visa, doesn't ask to see money or give any warning that it might be asked for at the airport, so the tourist doesn't withdraw it, then they're thrown into a detention cell potentially for up to 24 hours, paying for the privilege, plus the cost of a last minute flight, and now have a denied entry stamp that screws up their travel plans. This is happening to tourists who've only been in the Kingdom a year, and has happened to people who did have the 20k too. Nothing on Google about that as thaivisa omitted that fact from their article, so it's also missing from the article about this in the Nation and the Independent. To know the whole story one has to spend hours on thaivisa but if anyone is reading this, it might not matter whether you have the 20k or not. Best strategy right now is to use the Vientiane land border if you have approximately a year or more of consecutive Thailand visa history in your passport.
  23. The issues in this thread don't happen to foreigners on retirement or with work permits. Once a tourist visa is granted Thais aren't then told to present X amount of cash on arrival without ATM access.
  24. Because they can apply for a passport after a few years stay in my country, can work in any job category they like, same as locals, for extremely high salaries, buy land, vote, have first world facilities, rights, etc. More to the point all the questions are asked when applying for the visa so there are no last minute annoyances airside in the airport with no access allowed to an ATM, and a risk of being turned around and flown back home just because you don't have a certain amount of physical cash on your person.
  25. It does actually say ไม่มีเงิน 'didn't have money' on a friend's denied entry stamp, when this happened to him.