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  1. Entry denied Bangkok Airport

    No you just go to another land border, or try the same border the next day. And we're not getting reports of denials at land borders (one exception Poipet) It just depends what's less stressful for you, taking the scenic route over a land border, or airports, personally I don't like flying that much. Another denial and deportation thread today, guy had an Ed visa, had only been in thailand 13 months, anecdotally describes the IO as on a power trip. This is what I want to avoid:
  2. Entry denied Bangkok Airport

    Still gonna be tons of people getting lucky, or getting smarter, trying new strategies, you're never going to see the back of us nomads :) And it's still a tiny % of nomads to begin with. I just want to lower my risk from tiny to near-zero.
  3. Entry denied Bangkok Airport

    It's statistics, you can get lucky or not. But if you get unlucky at airports you have to spend a ton of money on a last minute flight, to home country if you're unlucky, and 700/day in detention room which you might have to sit in for hours, then you have a denied entry stamp and no idea if you're going to be able to get in next time. If you get unlucky at land border you just get turned around... try again next day, or a new border, or fly as a last resort. Often you don't even get a denied entry stamp. And you can come through land borders with a visa to avoid the 2 visa exempt entries per year limit. And just avoid the worst borders like Poipet. Seems a pretty simple choice to me? Most of the guys I know didn't have the 20k cash and they spent very little time out between each trip, like 3 days in Cambodia each time, mix of exempts and SETVs. I spent 2 - 3 weeks out each time, mixed up the countries, and I get a good sense for the IO in my queue, watch what he's doing and change queue if needed. But now we read threads like this where the guy had the cash and has spent a month outside Thailand... and I know of one other guy who like OP had an METV but still got denied. I don't know this OP, it may be a troll but he did post a pic of a convincing looking door. I'd still like to see pic of denied entry stamp and his other passport stamps, with personal info edited out.
  4. Entry denied Bangkok Airport

    I personally know half a dozen or so of the guys reported on thaivisa to have been recently denied entry at airports. I'm not 'believing' it, I know it's happening. Yes I know there's no legal limit, and about the 6 exempts flagging, and the land borders (that's mostly Poipet, I never use that border), I'm still in favour of land border + tourist visa right now. This recent uptick in denials at airports is anomalous. Denials with only about a year's stay, well under 6 exempts... none in fact, most of the duration of their stay on an METV. Things might change later, Thais can't seem to hold a job for very long so if this is just a few angry IOs maybe they'll move on at some point in the near future and then airports will be better than land borders. But there's no way airports are better right now. Paranoia isn't justified, it's still a small risk, but if it does happen it's a nightmare having to buy a last minute flight ticket somewhere, sit in the deportation room etc., I'd much prefer just being turned around at a land border.
  5. Entry denied Bangkok Airport

    Yes just sent back to Laos. From many reports you don't even get a denied entry stamp at land borders, so you can just try again the next day, try a different border, or fly as a last resort. They don't detain you or deport you elsewhere (how could they). They're a lot more relaxed I know two guys with roughly the same visa history as OP who got in fine in the last month via Laos and Malaysia land borders. I'm going to make the most of land border entries in the current climate, and avoid airports. Even though I recently did 9 months on visa exemptions in a row, then entered after that with a tourist visa, all at airports, and all this with a 2 year overstay stamp in my current passport. And in total 7.5 years in Thailand on a mix of tourist visas / exempts / ed visa / another 1.5 year overstay on an old passport, if they'd checked... I posted pics of my passport in a thread here. So there's no coherent policy in my opinion, it's just a small number of IOs that actively want to deny people and abuse their power to do so. Because I was fine and so were many others. But you never know, so it's probably best to use the 2 land border entries per year. Apparently it's now limited to 2 per year but we haven't heard much about that apparent restriction since it came into effect, I wouldn't be surprised if you can get away with more than 2. If you do use airports, look at the queues to see which ones are moving quickly, which IOs are letting through guys that look like you without questions, etc. And you can google 'bkk airport fast track' for $30 a rep meets you off the plane and walks you through the fast lane 'assisting with immigration documents', that can give you the appearance of having money. Another thaivisa poster who was denied entry and deported, used that service and got back in with no issues.
  6. Well you come off as deranged the way you post and like comments about reporting 'illegal workers' (what do you have against Burmese construction workers etc.) so that would be biased. Better would be for me to send the info to a moderator, have him notify the DOL then the results can be put in a thread. Only problem is the DOL won't care or reply, and no one here cares that much either except you and a few barflys.
  7. And it's comforting to imagine one day those pesky young 'uns will all be arrested and deported and suddenly all the chicks will be yours for the taking but it doesn't look it's happening.
  8. Already answered by others but they were producing and distributing porn in Thailand, that work has a physical connection to Thailand. For all we know it was sold to Thai customers in physical form, the article doesn't say. Not necessarily online work, they just had a website as well. Then it says 'working without permits' not 'working online without permits'. Then it's just one line in a newspaper. Like you say only the DOL can decide this, not police or newspapers, you dismiss the Asian Correspondent newspaper article about working online being allowed, and statements by immigration, so why quote this as a source if this isn't the DOL either. All you've ever given as a 'source' on thaivisa in years is this one line in a newspaper, and then a couple soundbites from DOL employees from 2010 and 2014. Not written on the DOL website or any kind of official document, just again in a newspaper (Phuket gazette) question and answer section. Which could've been written by anyone, the question may have been misunderstood, etc. Clutching at straws. Clicking like on comments about collecting a bounty for reporting illegal workers, asking for forum posters' private information to report them, obsessing over whether one digital nomad JohnnyFD has money or not... all a bit sad isn't it.
  9. Agree they can't control it but there's actually no evidence they want to prohibit remote working. They've made plenty of statements about cracking down on criminals and people working in Thailand - and they make references to gambling dens, porn, ATM skimmers, etc. - but I've never seen any statement about remote workers and I've been following the news media and thaivisa closely for 7 years.
  10. Sounds like JohnnyFD's blog and actually he makes tons of money dropshopping apparently, he was probably writing about ways to avoid it because, duh, he has a blog and people would be interested to know if there's ways around it. I'm sure some DNs don't have much money, duh it's a low cost of living country. Likewise some retired guys or guys with work permits are scraping by living paycheck to paycheck.
  11. He must have been doing something that takes jobs from Thais, e.g. an online tour agency. Or she made up something about him. Or she paid enough to corrupt police to get him deported. It's Thailand if you have the funds you can get someone deported this doesn't prove anything. It's the same reason you still shouldn't talk about freelancing online even if it's legal, it's a developing country 2/3rd of the way down the global corruption index you can't exactly expect low level police officers to understand what remote work is. I'd bet a lot of money that no one will ever be convicted of, say, freelance writing on Upwork for overseas clients, in a Thai courtroom. It just wouldn't ever see court, you'd be told ok we think you're working in some way that takes jobs from Thais, now give us X amount of money or you'll be deported / sit in a jail cell waiting for a court date three weeks from now. I've been working online here for 7 years I'm not worried at all it would have never crossed my mind that anyone would have one iota of a problem with what I'm doing if I hadn't read Thaivisa
  12. "The Punspace members were all released from the immigration office by around 3pm, after officials verified none of the 11 had overstayed their visas, been blacklisted or were working illegally." https://asiancorrespondent.com/2014/10/thailand-immigration-officials-raid-chiang-mai-co-working-space/ And then there's this article I'm sure everyone's read, always makes some thaivisa posters freak out and say oh it's only the Dept of Labor that can decide this blah blah https://asiancorrespondent.com/2014/08/thai-immigration-officials-say-digital-nomads-ok-to-work-on-tourist-visas/
  13. Punspace was raided once because police thought the foreigners were working for Punspace, then all were released when police realised they were just online freelancers. If anything that incident proves working online is fine as long as it has no physical connection to Thailand.
  14. Ok so the 20000 chiang mai digital nomads members then? No the blogger was arrested because some jealous old expat claimed his online activities competed with Thais in some capacity. That's what would likely happen if I 'man up' (are you guys in high school?) and send my details to someone here. When they realised what that blogger does online has no physical presence in Thailand he was released. What I do online is the same. You guys really don't seem to understand the difference between the two.
  15. Yes because bitter expats will make up stories that you work online in some capacity that takes jobs from Thais, selling products here etc. That was what happened to him in the blog post. Then the police concluded since his online activities have nothing to do with Thailand, it was no issue.
  16. Maybe he works as a proofreader for western clients and you could hire him :) The notion that his argument is invalid because he won't send his name and address to some incoherent nut on thaivisa shows how much you're clutching at straws.
  17. You're saying a couple of soundbites from employees from 2010 and 2014 are direct clear statements, they are not. Also in this old thread I posted a friend of mine did get reported for working online and it was dismissed, he was told he wasn't a criminal when they realised he wasn't taking jobs from Thais, he just had a wordpress blog. Checkmate!
  18. You're basing that on one line in the news article which clearly actually means 'working in the capacity of porn', online, without a permit. Or in the capacity of something that takes jobs from Thais, produces services and products (e.g. porn) on Thai soil etc. Which could be done online or offline. No one's arguing against that. We're talking about digital nomads that tinker around with websites for overseas clients and could be doing it anywhere.
  19. You're being silly. There are plenty of public online workers like famous blogger Richard Barrow, the Learn Thai from a White Guy, 20000 members of the 'Chiang Mai digital nomads' group, they even hold summits and meetups.
  20. Of course, so do I, but when we willingly choose to build a life and family in a country 2/3rds of the way down the global corruption index we can't act surprised when laws don't get enforced. Not sure what you mean 'view of life' it's just a fact it's a developing country, people come here for cheap lifestyle and easy chicks, if they wanted first world standards on laws too they could've tried Hong Kong or similar.
  21. You chose a relaxed, developing country with a low cost of living, easy chicks, etc. Low taxes too. Intrinsically linked with that is relaxed laws / lack of enforcement, apparent randomess in policy, people slipping through the cracks, etc.
  22. In those cases the crime and deportation was over producing online porn in Thailand, running an online gambling den, etc. Those are irrelevant, they could be done offline and the result would the same. We're talking about just being an amazon affiliate, blogger, internet marketer, freelance writer for overseas clients, etc. etc. No one has ever been convicted of a crime and deported for anything like that, i.e. purely being a digital nomad who doesn't take jobs from Thais or break Thai laws. No I'm just saying even if it is illegal to add to my post and say who really cares if it is. If anyone's being dishonest here it's you talking about deportations, you know it's never happened to a digital nomad. I've seen you link to cases of online porn producers being charged with crimes and say oh look you can't work online. Totally unrelated. Yes I know it's the DOL's remit not immigration but the DOL isn't doing anything and clearly if it was an issue immigration would say something about it too at some point.
  23. What law, another guy that can't link to anything. If you're living in Thailand don't purport to be a Thai lawyer or authority.
  24. There are those third party soundbites you always link to again. Alleged quotes from individual members of staff in 2010 and 2014. I could create a website and type up the opposite. There's nothing official from the horse's mouth. You've been linking to those and only those for almost a decade in these kind of threads yet here I am still working online. Many explain to immigration / consulates exactly what they do, run an online business, and get approved for visas / let through borders still to this day. The DOL never gets mentioned and doesn't seem to actively be doing anything. No one has ever said to me oh you need to join an umbrella company either. Even if it is illegal clearly they don't care because we're not harming anyone and if it ever became a priority for them they'd create a new e-visa status for us, ask us to move to that, and have us pay whatever fees to continue doing what we're doing. Hardly the crime of the century is it.
  25. If the work is something physically tied to thailand that you couldn't do anywhere else, maybe, if not then no. Obviously someone with a blog about cats doesn't need a permit when they decide to be a tourist in thailand for a few years, and while here keep tinkering with their blog and cash out their adsense revenue to a thai bank to spend it here. You can keep posting this for 100 years and still those people will never have any problems. (It's been almost 10 years already). 'Repeated by the labour department over and over' - where? You only ever link one or two third party phuketgazette soundbites where one or two individuals says yeah online work is work. But obviously in those individuals' minds they're thinking online phuket tour guide, online seller of something a thai person could sell, etc. etc. There isn't any definitive word on location independent online work. Wouldn't they mention it in this article if it was an issue? If they ever really crack down on it, it will likely come at the same time as them creating some kind of e-visa for online freelancers like Germany or Estonia, and making nomads pay taxes, so that rather than scare off tourists who check their work emails, they can just move us to more appropriate visas. 'Why do you think there are nomad umbrella companies ??' - to make tons of money out of people that worry too much.
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