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  1. I was out of the UK at that time, immersed in relationship issues, and missed the electoral time-limit to vote. To be candid, I take a very dim view of any political party who, IMO, are only out for personal gain and power - and when in the UK at election times I'd rather vote for the Green or Raving Looney party, which adhere to my bias towards resolving environmental issues. If I was eligible, having resided abroad - non EU - since 2009 on a fixed UK pension albeit still paying UK taxes, and was offered a vote in the next few months I would vote to remain in the EU because it would cause me least pain - presumably because the pound would strengthen.
  2. The way to change something that causes you pain is to act. If you believe that the pain will lessen, the action will be carried out. That's how change at a personal level is effected. As you have aptly demonstrated, the issue many people have on this topic is that their beliefs are so deeply entrenched, that any change to those beliefs would cause them more pain, and so they stay in one mindset. Even to the extent of posting a view where posters can agree, which gives them pleasure, and so reaffirms that their beliefs are true. I am also guilty of that, however I realise it.
  3. Not correct. I would have done the same in 2016 - being uninformed of the most likely consequences - but unless hell freezes over, I wouldn't necessarily accept it in 2018, particularly as Theresa May has botched up everything she touches relating to Brexit negotiations and who should be given the task of building a hard border in Ireland contrary to the Good Friday agreement which will eventually bring down her government, I trust.
  4. There are a number of reasons: 2018 is a whole new ball-park with more informative facts available, albeit voters are unlikely to change their beliefs from those held in 2016, until Brexit is enacted. Why? All humans are driven by two critical emotions - avoiding pain and gaining pleasure. Voters are not feeling any more pain than currently - changing that depends on their beliefs, whether Brexit will lessen their pain or increase it. Leavers feel that the opportunities offered by exiting the EU would be beneficial to them, therefore pleasuring them (or lessening the pain), and remainers feel the opposite. Trying to change the beliefs of others is not possible unless the fundamental emotions are acknowledged and the pain and pleasures of others are understood. It's really up to the government and parliament to ease the UK into a better position, not a people's referendum. Whether any government is capable of doing that is questionable, and based on current political rifts across all parties and at all levels, improbable in my lifetime.
  5. For more wisdom, let's quote some statistical figures from the referendum vote: 1. Total electorate. 46,500,001 2. Total voters. 33,573,000 2. Remain. 16,141,241 3. Leave. 17,410,742 The 'respect the referendum vote' was based on - and still is for Leavers - adhering to the declared wishes of 37.44% of the total electoral population. That's factual. Whether or not people didn't vote for whatever reason, it's a fact that it is a significant minority of the population who voted to leave the EU as at June 2016. To carry that through to current times, with the disaster of May's government to implement Brexit over 2 years later, is most likely not what any reasonable citizen would want to happen. The same could be said about UK elections, but the magnitude of the effects of Brexit on the whole of the UK (and the EU) far exceeds whether the Tory or Labour party become the next UK government (as their ineptitudes are apparent). Therefore it is right and proper for every citizen - Remainer or Leaver - to question whether respecting a minority viewpoint two years ago is now the best way forward for the UK. As far as the International trade and finance issues, I suggest readers view the appropriate information sources, e.g. Financial Times, and Economist.
  6. And so what? Does that mean that the UK should bankrupt the economy, become a third world trade country, devalue the pound to parity with the dollar, just to respect a referendum result held over two years ago, and which has proven impossible to achieve by May's government as of today? BTW, I'm neither a Remainer or Leaver- but have the common sense to realise that Brexit is just not working as it was promised to enrich the UK populus by both the leave camp and May's government. That's the reality and actuality not some long-held belief.
  7. Keep reinforcing that belief as it will cause less pain.
  8. "Anyone stupid or ideologically obsessed enough to describe Brexit "as an opportunity" is hardly worth listening to"
  9. Yes, it's all about party politics and retaining power, than the Brexshit mantra 'respecting the vote' which is used to justify supporting the thousands of lemmings waiting to jump off a cliff and finding freedom on the rocks below.
  10. Regretably, kwilco, the referendum header included a proviso the the government would act on the result. As to holding another referendum , the result will be as close as last time, mostly because people do not readily change their minds, and unfortunately couldn't be bothered to understand the implications. The typical 'leaving' voter, based on information garnered at constituencies voting centres, would be uneducated and unemployed in a depressed area north of the Watford gap, and facing being usurped by EU immigrants for any low-paid menial work. Standard response, 'leaving must be better than what we have now'. Similarly, at run-down housing estates outside major cities where working-class housewives and their families 'mistrust anything European. Absolutely nothing to do with regaining our sovereignty, or freeing everyone from the repressive ECJ, or even about EU civil servants living the high-life on tax-free expenses, bearing in mind that 80% of the EU budget gets returned to the member countries to 'waste' on internal country projects, like building a new runway at Bristol docks or filling the pension pots of their own civil servants.
  11. Far better of her to heed legal advice in that the Article 50 notification can be withdrawn by government before 29th March 2019. It is continued intransigence by the PM not to accept her plans are failing, and to seek a better route for the UK populus. For her, it's all about the Tory party not the people who voted them in - and who will vote her out in due course. Quote from Nick Clegg (10 months ago) :“As countless EU leaders have said in private and in public – most recently [French] President Macron – there remains a route back for the UK into a reformed EU. This does not mean simply turning the clock back to the day before the referendum, but forging a new status for the UK in an outer circle of EU membership as the core countries proceed with deeper integration.”
  12. What's of more concern is Theresa May's headlong red line rush to oblivion. She must halt Article 50 withdrawal until some sanity is recovered - i.e. her withdrawal expectations are not working - and focus on a reasoned decision of what's best for the UK based on the reality and actuality of Brexit being enforced - or not.
  13. You also need to read this. https://policyscotland.gla.ac.uk/blog-sir-ivan-rogers-speech-text-in-full/
  14. read this before exercising your keyboard. It might affect your polarised viewpoint. https://policyscotland.gla.ac.uk/blog-sir-ivan-rogers-speech-text-in-full/
  15. for pete's sake read this before making another asinine comment https://policyscotland.gla.ac.uk/blog-sir-ivan-rogers-speech-text-in-full/
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