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  1. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    im not being argumentative for the sake of it, but lets get some perpsective, as you say, "once they go silent, you have lost" if they proceed not to do their job or their role/responsibility and screw up, will their boss say "thats ok, you lost face, its ok that you didnt do what you were supposed to, here is a promotion" or "thats ok you lost face, I forgive you for leaving the safe unlocked and now we got robbed overnight " I work in customer service, and sometimes through no fault of my own or my fault, I look very stupid, but I deal with it and do what im supposed to do,
  2. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    Nuff said
  3. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    please provide evidence of your statement
  4. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    would have thought the country with biggest emphasis on face would have its own section??? dont see any reference to apoligies in the article, how does something thats not even referred to be classifed as a untrue statement??? step 3
  5. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    thought japanese were supposed to have the highest amount of face in the world or at least asia,?? yet the wiki link starts off with china, and under countries, arabic, persian, korean, thai, english but no japan... looks like someone doesnt know the definition
  6. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    your link has no mention of apologies, so that doesnt mean apology has anything or nothing to do with face "suggest you go back to basics, and come up with a theory/belief, followed by evidence, followed by rebuttal, followed by conclusion now youve moved to step 2, congratulatiojns edit: if we cant agree that apologising,=loss of face for them, then there is not much point in this debate
  7. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    this just shows your ignornace, that you think that japanese are the most face orientated group in asia, I just proved to you that if face was their number one priority, they wouldnt apoligise, so you post a few examples of people apologising, please.... suggest you go back to basics, and come up with a theory/belief, followed by evidence, followed by rebuttal, followed by conclusion so far youve gotten to step 1, congratulations
  8. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    to me anyone who puts face tas their highest priority, they would never apologise as it makes them look stupid ive worked under, with and above many ego tistical people, who think they are gods gift to the world, and they would never admit their mistake or apologise, as they would lose face
  9. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    Ps I can personally assure you that in school in Japan, admitting to mistakes, apologising for errors is a big thing. Not sure about schools thaialnd
  10. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    If face was the number one priority, they would not apologise, My example with the bell boy who clearly screwed up and lost face just decided to ignore me In Japan, if I asked a bell boy to get me a metered taxi (or equivalent situation) they wouldn't get me something a specificallt asked not for. And there is generally a higher English language barrier than Thailand. And if I got angry with them for making a mistake, they'd apologise, and most likely try to fix it. That's losing face by admitting to their mistake. As for. Bill. Clinton. I love the guy but the outright lie he did was ridiculous
  11. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    Completely disagree with you. 110% Although face may not be unimportant to them How many politicians, heads, leaders apologise officially on TV. Or even resign for disgracing their name or company at the expense of their own ego
  12. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    I'm. Not American, as you say Americans may be mentioning it in the media, but I hear far less cases of using face as an excuse for bad behaviour. Not too sure you can attribute loss of face for higher rates of suicide. Doesn't Japan have one of the highest rates in the world, and their focus on face isn't as high as Thailand for this example
  13. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    geez, im so thanful Idont havea life threatening allergy or medical problem , imagine being allergic to peanuts and geting told that the dish has no peanuts because the guy didnt want to lose face, no good if Im going in to anaphenalpic shock on the floor....
  14. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    no the behaviour of the taxi is not the bell boys fault, however I asked him specifically for a metered taxi, and he said yes, he can speak thai, all he has to do is ask the driver, also its a 5 star hotel, they have a system or way to get these metered taxis, its hotel-customer relations 101 "How would he know that "all taxis around here don't do meter"? " I have seriously have absolutely no idea, I mean I expect to go to a restaurant and ask whats your popular dish, and for the staff to have no idea what im talking about! geez, a bell boy not knowing about taxis, I must come from a different planet
  15. hellohello123

    The good old "losing face" debate

    suggest you read the OP, it clearly says 5 star also, the bell boy should know (even I do ) that non metered accepting taxis are everywhere, face or loss of face or not, so if you went to a fine dining restaurant, and said , peanuts make me sick, can I have my main dish without peanuts "oh no problems sir" and then the dish arrives with peanuts, and you get sick , are you simply going to say "oh thats ok, he gets paid peanuts, and I need to not get so angry, and its ok, he was just avoiding losing face" yeah right
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