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  1. As someone who has lived in both #1Bangkok and #2Tokyo I can confirm that this list is utter horsesh*t. Tokyo and Bangkok are two entirely different cities that are so beyond comparison they might as well be on different planets.
  2. The problem I have with you is that the crux of your point rests on your opinion that any kind of discrimination of human beings is bad (race-based or otherwise) and that if the offender is a foreigner in Thailand then that person must be a bigoted racist and is somehow dangerous to the country. This is simply not true. I stated in my first paragraph that you are guilty of lumping those who critique a culture together with those who discriminate based on race, and you continue to make this mistake. I previously made the point that by intimately associating with Thais myself and others like me who you accuse of being racist bigots are obviously shown to not be racist bigots since they intimately associate with Thais. Is this such a difficult thing to grasp? The whole point of being a racist is that you have disdain for someone and avoid associating with them based entirely on their race. As for “some expats making certain Thai people exceptions to their bigoted views”: My Thai gangster neighbor burns rubbish, has loud parties and comes home at 3am on a Harley that you can hear from miles away. Am I a bigot for being intolerant of his views, much of which stem from an infantile culture that holds sanuk-happy-happy-fun-time values above all others? I simply pick the kinds of people I associate with and that decision has nothing to do with race, age, gender or sexual orientation, etc. That decision has everything to do with whether that person is a dangerous moron and I make that decision the same way in whatever country I happen to be in. I’m making the claim that Thailand has a lot more dangerous morons than elsewhere as a result of a culture that is geared towards fostering child-like behavior. “This is why I believe too many expats with your kind of thinking are bad for the country”. Really? People like me who point out problems and short-comings in the hopes of rectifying the situation are bad for the country? I don’t drink and moan about my predicament (to Thais or farangs) and these sorts of discussions remain confined to my online interactions with people. I do not berate Thais for their shoddy work. Instead I have built a company from scratch with my own money and constantly hold myself, our staff and our work to the highest standard as much as possible. I employ several Thai locals full-time and they receive my highest admiration and respect (because hey guess what, I judge people on their merits since I’m not a racist). Apart from that I go out to town once a week to buy produce and enjoy a cup of tea in the garden. Now please explain why you believe me and my views to be dangerous and bad for the country. Or accept that everything you’ve said is false. This was one of today’s news stories and is an excellent example of how the dominant culture in Thailand fails to keep dangerous morons from creating nuisances. Why should I be tolerant of the views of whoever happened to be the idiot behind this fiasco?
  3. Cyber, your thread has great potential but after 23 pages the only thing you have managed to do is let it degenerate into a complete and utter sh!tshow, mostly by refusing repeated requests to elaborate on what kind of speech you consider to be extremely racist. I understand your desire to steer the conversation away from politics but you must be aware that in the current climate your rhetoric is wholly typical of one that is widely employed by leftists. I think your fault (and the fault of those whose responses I am about to quote) lies in conflating the action of critiquing a culture together with race-based discrimination. You then condemn those people as dangerous without refuting their critique on a factual basis. Because I myself have been branded a racist bigot many times elsewhere for my views on culture and demographics (despite my assertions that I am not) and also because I am highly critical of Thailand I think it would be fairly probable that like your American companion I would likewise be branded a racist bigot by you if I was in his place having that discussion with you. As such I want to clarify my position to you as it pertains to Thailand in the hope that it might shed light on the psyche of bitter jaded Thai-bashing farangs who get branded similar labels and have been the subject of this thread. Keep in mind that contrary to what you might imagine I am not some old boozed-up whoremonger who has carried over his supremacist views from his own country. I am in my 20’s and moved to Thailand specifically for the purpose of starting a business with my partner who is a well-educated Thai woman from a respectable family. Prior to Thailand I lived for years in multiple countries on various continents and spoke several foreign languages. When I came to this country I had the mindset of a progressive liberal with socialist leanings who believed that all cultures had something wonderful about them. Since then my beliefs on culture and governance have done a complete 180 and this was largely due to my own experiences and personal observations of life here. My issue with Thai people is not so much to do with race, it is with the degree to which they are the product of a supposedly compassionate culture which I regrettably find to be utterly unpalatable and morally reprehensible on multiple levels. What infuriates me the most are all the half-assed jobs , attitudes and actions (which continue to create hazards and headaches for everybody) that are somehow consistently given a free pass in the name of tolerance and compassion when they could instead be easily corrected with a modicum of effort. I have long given up on reprimanding Thais on their less-than-stellar performances as doing so more often than not elicits a bovine-like facial expression that embodies a combination of complacency, disgust and irritability. However, the family and social circles of my Thai partner are filled with highly-intelligent, industrious, morally upstanding and business-savvy individuals whose achievements and character stand taller than any farang I have ever met here. Through our business we have also had the pleasure of dealing with some very respectable Thais. It is interesting to note that virtually all of these people have had a history of going abroad for higher education. Unfortunately in my experience these individuals are needles in a haystack and I believe this is because the dominant culture in Thailand does not adequately punish those whose actions are in opposition to justice, honesty and morality. Thai culture is incapable of appropriately conducting checks and balances against the stupid and destructive actions (intended or accidental) of individuals. Instead everything comes down to compromises. And when I or others like me point out that in the long run everybody falls victim to this culture of “mai pen rai” we are labelled racists, bigots or told to go home if we don’t like it here. The very fact that these men marry and father children outside of their own race should be proof to you that they are not racist. Do you honestly think they hate-<deleted> their wives every night? And then growl and scowl at them over the dining table for years while seething with hate? Come on. Nobody has to care whether you like an opinion or not. If you disagree with it then prove why they are wrong and you are right. Yes but too many people tend to conflate the two. If you’re critical of their views you are automatically labelled a racist bigot. There is no shortage of proof that the Thai government is infinitely worse than Western governments when it comes to allowing freedom of speech of unconventional discussions. If expats in this kind of environment do feel like they can air their views its only because unlike the West there aren’t mobs of irrational power-hungry leftists ready to shout them down, beat them, torch cop cars and baselessly brand their ideological opponents with labels like “bigots, racists, misogynist, etc” while un-ironically calling themselves anti-fascists. Your feelings about them are irrelevant. Nobody should care whether you find them obnoxious or not. Do you find them to be incorrect? If yes provide an example of their reasoning and your refutation of it. Then we can start to address the issue properly. Wasn't My Mate Nate a white guy? I don't recall much love for him on this forum... Again, I don’t care what taste is left in your mouth. Nobody cares about your emotional reaction. What is it that has been said by these so-called racists that is factually incorrect? As for giving one group superiority over another group, that is done everywhere, all over the world in every society and group. And there is nothing wrong with it. In fact it is being done right here in Thailand. By Thais. Would you call the Thai immigration officers bigots for giving superiority to their own in-group by making it infuriatingly difficult for non-Thais to legally work here? You are guilty of the very thing you are advocating against. You claim superiority of your own group (inclusive progressive cultural relativists) over those that do not share your view. Not only that but you have yet to provide an example of anything they have said and explain why they are wrong. Why don’t you instead debate them or challenge their views? If they are wrong you should be able to articulate and prove your point. Changing the subject or removing yourself from the situation doesn’t change anything. No. This is equivalent to saying “all people and cultures are equal and a foreigner in one place is the same as a foreigner in another”. Are foreigners rapidly expatriating to Thailand to the tune of tens of millions? Is the Thai government complicit in the forced importation of tens of millions of undocumented white people with no money who will live off state handouts funded by the taxpayer while contributing to huge increases in crime statistics? Have they swelled to such numbers as to establish enclaves with their own judicial system separate from that of the host country? Are most of them young men that will eventually out-breed the indigenous populations with their high birth rates? Has Thailand established its own hate-crime cyber monitoring squads that routinely round up and imprison people for airing anti-foreign sentiments on FB? Is the government here preparing to sue member states that refuse to accept this forced influx of foreigners? Do these foreigners consistently rape, bomb and murder the locals? Do the media then go on a campaign to remind people that not all foreigners are rapist/bombers/murderers and that the locals should embrace diversity? The situation of white foreigners in Thailand and non-white foreigners in the West (and in particular Western Europe) is not even closely remote in its magnitude. This is a typical characteristic of Thais that borders on the infantile – If one disagrees with an opinion simply run away or extricate oneself from the situation to avoid unpleasant feelings. No. Disassociating yourself from people you disagree with isn’t going to discredit their opinions or make them go away. If you disagree with someone’s opinions then you should be able to articulate your opposing viewpoint. If you can’t do that effectively then you should accept that they are right and you are wrong. The word “slave” was originally derived from the word “Slav” due to many of them being captured and enslaved in the medieval wars. Yet nobody decries this double-standard of having to tip-toe around some peoples’ sensitivities but not others. Only white people can be racist, right? And regarding this oppressor/oppressed nonsense I’m sure I don’t have to explain to you that: A- nobody who owned African slaves is alive today (except in Africa where the slave trade is alive and well) & B- nobody is oppressing black people today (except black people themselves with bad family planning decisions and a dysfunctional culture). Some posters (including myself) want you to provide examples of what you consider to be the (supposedly) extremely racist sentiments raised by expats here in Thailand so that we can see if your accusations are based on anything other than feelings. This is because there is a current trend that providing statistical information regarding certain sensitive demographic trends is often dismissed as a racist sentiment without any factual refutation. No, sometimes I have to do it. Or the villagers. Because we live in a largely dysfunctional society where the taxes paid by me, you or them are consistently mismanaged by authorities due to a lack of oversight and, once again, a culture of “mai pen rai” complacency. Am I a racist now? Is this an example of extremely racist sentiments which the OP has yet to deliver? Come to think of it, the pavements where I live got washed away with the rains years ago. It is a great fallacy to believe that all people and cultures are equal. To denounce those who point out these differences by baselessly accusing them of being racist bigots is to spit in the face of our ancestors who bled and died preserving our own cultural heritage so that we could all sh!tpost on the internet today.
  4. Why does Thailand have a police department?

    Sorry, next time when in their "apathy" they come to pull me and two others out of the jungle in the middle of the night I will make sure to chastise them on your behalf for not doing enough to protect the people.
  5. Why does Thailand have a police department?

    Some time ago when I was new to Thailand an acquaintance of ours invited my partner and I to visit her Lahu hill-tribe "friend" in the hills of Chiang Rai because she did not want to go up there alone. The "friend" turned out to be an unstable guy with a drinking problem and romantic interests in our acquaintance. He kept drinking, started yelling and getting rowdy and eventually grabbed a big knife. We slowly stood up and backed out of the bamboo hut and started walking to the main road. The time was about 1am and it was pitch black outside. We realised just how stupid and naïve we had been about the whole thing: we were out in the middle of no-where (the Lahu guys had driven us out to their village), our relatives did not know where we were, all our belongings were in the hut with a crazy drunk Lahu guy and all we had were our pyjamas and my partner's cell phone. By a stroke of luck we had a tiny bit of coverage and promptly called the police. The police triangulated our location and were there within 30 minutes. The whole time they stayed on the phone with us. When they arrived they took us up to the hut, held back the hill-tribe guy while we collected our things and then drove us down to a hotel in town. The first 10 minutes in the car together with us they were coldly grilling us with questions about why we were there. When they realised that we were really just some overly trusting dumb tourists that had made a mistake they relaxed a bit and said "Ok, we see. We are asking you this because that particular village is famous for heroin production". The rest of the way we laughed and joked about stuff and at the end they took a photo with us in front of our hotel, big grins and thumbs up from us. They sent it to their bosses via Line to "show that they really are out doing work". Seeing them coming for us up the mountain road that night in their pickup was the biggest amount of relief I have ever experienced. Had they not come for us I think the three of us might not be alive today and no-one would have known what had happened to us. There is a lot about Thailand that grinds my gears. Here where I live in Chiang Mai every single day of the past year a black plume of smoke from burning plastic rubbish and leaves starts coming up from a neighbour's yard at 5pm on the dot, every day. There is a police box standing about 40-50 metres away. Nothing ever gets done about that burning, or about the loud bikes racing up and down the freeway at night. Things like that grind my gears and make me question the effectiveness of law enforcement in this country. But every time I am also reminded that had it not been for the help of the Chiang Rai police department that night, I would likely not be here today.
  6. I'm glad you asked. It could be referring to the "Q mark" of quality given to "Good Agricultural Products" Speaking of which: 'Q mark' rated fruits, veggies fail toxic residue tests http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/959397/q-mark-rated-fruits-veggies-fail-toxic-residue-tests I haven't seen this being reported on in this forum. One would expect that anything resembling "qualitative agriculture" produce would not be sprinkled with dangerous levels of toxic chemical residues (11 of which are prohibited substances). That article was posted on May 4th. This morning (May 6th) we get a response from the Department of Agriculture: DOA hits back over chemical residue claims http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/960901/doa-hits-back-over-chemical-residue-claims Pretty standard response from Thai officials. Farangs don't understand "quality" the same as Thais it seems. How the hell are 100% of all red chillies samples loaded with chemicals? I thought those are one of the least fussy crops around..
  7. The United Nations' human rights council is headed by Saudi Arabia - one of the world's few remaining absolute monarchies where under a strict interpretation of sharia law executions have recently reached their highest level in two decades. 82 people have been executed there in the first three months of 2016 alone. By comparison: 157 people were executed in 2015, a further increase from 90 people in 2014. The majority of executions are carried out by beheading: Other methods include death by firing squad and public stoning in cases of adultery. Besides violent crimes such as murder and rape the death penalty is also applied in cases of adultery, being gay, renouncing Islam and drug trafficking. Foreign nationals have been executed, as well as those who were minors at the time of their crime (which is, ironically, a practice that is prohibited by international law under the U.N. Convention on the rights of the Child). As bad as Saudi Arabia sounds they cannot hold a candle to China where information about the death penalty is a state secret. Amnesty International believes that China executes more people than the rest of the world combined. Iran has executed more than 1000 people in 2015 alone, according to UK based human rights group Reprieve. Iran and China are both member states of the UN. The United Nations is an organization that claims to protect human rights and campaigns to end violence against women while at the same time acceping into their ranks and bestowing key positions to the very nations that lack any kind of transparency and continue to commit the very same crimes against humanity that the organization claims to condemn. I have serious doubts that any UN-based investigation into human rights violations in Thailand would amount to anything but a complete farce. For the investigation to come up with any incriminating evidence would be complete hypocrisy. It would open the door to investigations into things like China's illegal invasion and annexation of Tibet (amongst the myriad of China's crimes against humanity), Iran's opression of women and Saudi Arabia's penchant for mutilating children and mentally ill prisoners. China has too much influence and Saudi Arabia has too much oil to make sure that this investigation never goes anywhere or exposes anything.
  8. Thank you all for your patience and your words of advice. I realise I have problems with people and I am doing my best to tread lightly in this situation. Without going into too much detail I can say that I can emulate most normal behaviours but it only works if I know what the appropriate patterns are. So far I've been polite, friendly and smiling with the people I find coming onto the land. But it seems the general consensus is that as an outsider there is nothing I can do to stop people whom I don't know from coming onto the land and into the house that I am renting. If this is the case then I need to start looking for alternatives. The reason we moved out here is so that we can be left alone to work quietly, not make any noise or bother anybody and grow our own food. I've had success doing this for several years in both rural New Zealand and Japan where people tend to respect personal boundaries and one could easily spend weeks without talking to another human. What are the options for people who want to have that kind of existence in rural Thailand? To be left alone, undisturbed in the sticks?
  9. I very much doubt this is any of your business. Perhaps not. But the nature of it is somewhat relevant to the question of how advisable it is for the OP to make a fuss about the situation. A relevant question as some might be wondering whether my work could have a potential to bother the neighbours somehow or cause an inconvenience of some sort. This is not the case as my work is artistic in nature. There is no noise, no smell, no runoff or anything of that sort. That wasn't really the point I was getting at. What's more relevant is the legality of this 'work'. Unless you're fully above board with a work permit etc, you might be best advised to not rock the boat. It only takes one disgruntled neighbour to drop you into a world of shit. Ah, I see what you mean. Everything is fully above board in terms of legalities.
  10. I very much doubt this is any of your business. Perhaps not. But the nature of it is somewhat relevant to the question of how advisable it is for the OP to make a fuss about the situation. A relevant question as some might be wondering whether my work could have a potential to bother the neighbours somehow or cause an inconvenience of some sort. This is not the case as my work is artistic in nature. There is no noise, no smell, no runoff or anything of that sort.
  11. The landlords are close friends of the family so there is no contract or paperwork of any sort.
  12. Hi everybody, I'm new here and I would like some help with an issue I've been having. Earlier this year me and my girlfriend (Thai) started renting a small plot of land with a house in rural Chiang Mai for the purposes of gardening and having a studio where we can do our work. The place has been unoccupied for the last several years and so the landlord has been paying one of the neighbours (a local rice farmer) to take care of the fruit trees, cut the grass, etc. Since we started renting he (the farmer) has continued to come around and take care of things which is nice because occasionally we have to fly to Bangkok or overseas for our work and he keeps the place in order. He knows all there is to know about the plants on this property since his best buddy used to live on the same plot of land and many years ago they planted it up together. The problem is that because we are not there all the time (we live in my girlfriend's parents' house 15 minutes drive away and only come to this place to work) we can't keep an eye on what's going on. Nearly every time we come things look out of place: doors that were shut are open, tools get moved, rubbish shows up all over the place and fruit is picked. We can understand that sometimes he wants to park his farming equipment here or harvest ripening fruit but there have been times when we pull up in the driveway to find the gate open and a bunch of random people walking around, picking leaves, using our water and parking their bikes in front of the house. They smile sheepishly, say that they are his farm workers/family and quietly slip out. This happened again two days ago. We are new here, fresh from Bangkok, never lived with rural farmers before and so we are trying our best to be understanding, patient and non-confrontational. But I really do think I'm about to lose my shit. Last month when we came back after being away for a few weeks we found the entire yard had been planted with cantaloupes. Literally every usable patch of soil. Apparently he had asked the landlords since we were away and they gave the OK. I was going to tear them all out but a close family friend advised us against it. The farmer has agreed to clean everything up once the harvest is finished. So now I would very much like to start planting out our garden but instead am stuck like an idiot waiting for all these bloody cantaloupes to mature. Apparently they are "45 day" cantaloupes. I have no idea what the hell that means. It's coming up to 45 days since planting and they don't look like they're going anywhere. It's a complicated issue because he and his family have lived next door for many years and have obviously regarded this plot as their own seeing as how nobody has been living here. And he has been getting money from the landlord for coming in and doing maintenance. The maintenance is nothing that we couldn't do ourselves but we don't want to stir up anything bad with our neighbours by having his services terminated. So we've told him that because of all these problems we want nobody else but him entering and we are changing the locks on the gate and him and us will be the only people who have the key. He has understood this. What I want to know is how to handle the situation if we arrive one day again to find random people walking around our place. Should I keep social order and kindly ask them to leave? Should I start yelling and kick them out? Can I get physically confrontational? I don't have good "people skills" and I'm worried that any violence on my part could spark revenge and compromise my girlfriend's safety. Should we involve the landlords in this? I don't want any cantaloupes or people on my land. I just want to be left alone to do my work while still managing to keep a somewhat reasonable relationship with the people next door.