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About Airbagwill

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  1. Incorrect...this not how the stats are gathered...you're just regurgitating the myth.
  2. Air pollution at Rayong ?

    You seem to be desperately clinging to a single set of stats that you alone hold to be representative of the situation. - you're in the biggest industrial area in Thailand - one of thew biggest in S.E. Asia - Rayong, Chonburi and Chachoengsao - an area that is about to grow exponentially - all this is common knowledge. The situation in Rayong has lasted for 3 decades, possible more and you are holding onto one stick with a tin on top in somewhere in Rayong as evidence this is not happening. I'm still not convinced you actually understand or WANT to understand what pollution is, how it moves about or what the health threats are - I don't think you've shown any understanding of how health stats work or what they show for residents in Rayong. I know that having property in Rayong gives you a vested interest in the area and it is hard not to admit that this may not have been such a good idea after all, but continually gainsaying me is not going to reduce the real and present risks to your health and even the value of your final property. BTW - I fail to see how saying some places are WORSE helps your argument at all....the sins of one don't mitigate the sins of another. ....and the stats you quote still put Rayong in front for particulates - have you not seen that?
  3. Air pollution at Rayong ?

    I don't see that pollution in other parts of Thailand is any mitigation of the situation in Rayong. As you say I'm just looking at the government installed detectors for AQIs which of course only detect in their own little space, but I think you miss the point that the substances they have detected do not exist solely around the detectors - they have arrived there on the air currents etc and the "generalisations" I've made should explain to most how the pollution for the industry in the region moves around and being on a beach and "prevailing winds" are no protection or guarantee. you might also ask why the detectors are actually turned off so often....and of course why they were put there in the first place.... it wasn't a random event...and absence of detectors certainly doesn't indicate and absence of pollution.
  4. As I said if you don't know the basics how can you discuss the topic? If you do the basic research you'll understand the basics of road safety. all the information is easily available, it isn't my job to educate, I'm putting forward an argument that presumes a certain level of knowledge about the subject. It is science, but it isn't rocket sciences.
  5. Air pollution at Rayong ?

    I don’t think many of the “deniers” actually understand the nature of pollutants and pollution - they aren’t usually visible and not often smell-able either, but wafted around they present a very real danger to health. Firstly for those having trouble reading the AQIs- this seems to have happened a few times. Here are the color codes Color Level of Health Concern AQI Values Green Good 0 to 50 Yellow Moderate 51 to 100 Orange Unhealthy for sensitive groups 101 to 150 Red Unhealthy 151 to 200 Purple Very Unhealthy 201 to 300 Maroon Hazardous 301 to 500 If you look at the AQI record for the last 2 days Sunday and Monday at Rayong ... http://aqicn.org/city/rayong/ you will see that although the ozone, nitrogen dioxide, sulfur dioxide, and carbon monoxide levels are OK, (green), both particulate levels PM2.5 and PM10 have been orange and on Sunday RED> - “unhealthy” - this is the moderate to high range.... This is not an unusual reading for Rayong. Particulate matter - (PM) is the stuff that gives you those “glowing” orange sunsets and makes marathon runners cough and give up in Delhi this week-end. “known as particle pollution, is a complex mixture of extremely small particles and liquid droplets that get into the air. Once inhaled, these particles can affect the heart and lungs and cause serious health effects.” - epa. USA They are so small, they can be inhaled deep into your lungs and even absorbed into your blood....they can be about 1/30th the diameter of a human hair. Much of the particulates can then re-emerge in the dust when the weather dries out and are again carried about on the winds and rivers. Levels are often lower in Times of rain and at weekends - this is because rain washes the particulates onto the ground and traffic and output from factories is often lower. Wind - not the be-all and end-all as explained before - BUT - The monsoon nature of the prevailing winds mean that they too blow in the OPPOSITE direction mostly in November and December but they are not the most important winds in the region for spreading pollution the cyclic coastal winds will help there as do the higher atmosphere winds. fig 1  Warm air over land rises  Sea Breeze moves inland  Cumuli develop aloft and move seaward  Upper level return land breeze  Cool air aloft sinks over water  Sea Breeze (meso-cold) Front fig 2 - Coastal air changing direction according to sea/land temperature differential
  6. The myth of melting ice and rising seas

    "Science is nothing without action." - nonsense - science is study knowledge and skepticism.
  7. Air pollution at Rayong ?

    Re wind direction. Faith in wind "protection" is misplaced. Monsoon (its a climate not a season!) winds blow in opposite directions depending on time of year. - they also do not remain from a constant direction in any particular season - just a majority - this is nowhere near 100% Secondly these are GROUND LEVEL winds - winds higher up go in different directions and can deposit emissions in completely different directions from winds below. then may I draw you attention to this form the above post “The municipality moved everybody out of the area because of the wind direction that blew strong chemical smell to Amphur Baan Chang and Amphur Sattahip.” Winds are not the only way of distributing pollution and certainly don't protect anyone. Pollution one=ce released can enter both fresh and salt water. Rivers streams etc carry pollution back down to the coast Furthermore waste disposal means toxic and semi toxic substances are being carried all over the area by road. 50% is apparently disposed of illegally. All this means that soil, and dust as well as water are swirling around the area in unmonitored ways. Wind is not air pollution - air pollution can mean chemicals or particulates in the air that come from various sources - factory emissions both incident and accidental, transportation of industrial waste, the redistribution into the soil from contaminated water supplies which when farmed are released as dust. So all this and more contributes to air pollution.
  8. The myth of melting ice and rising seas

    There aren't 2 sides to this debate any more than debating if the world is flat or not. There is an established scientifically theory (please no stupid comments- look it up) and then there is a small group of a few cranks and ill informed loons like the OP
  9. Asean navies focus on marine environment

    Let's hope they have taken into account the Thai Navy's plan to greatly expand the industrial complex at Sattahip and the effects that will have on Rayong's beaches and marine environment. It is also disappointing that they don't seem to realise that marine environments also include the adjoining lands.
  10. But the report is talking about adult English....this doesn't necessarily stem from the school system.
  11. The myth of melting ice and rising seas

    This kind of article is typical of those who use the word "balance". Unable to put up a real argument to a scientifically accepted theory they claim that an inane piece of journalism like this gives "balance"....this is of course nonsense...balance in this case is the overwhelming evidence and what they claim as balance is the supposed right of one totally uninformed writer to publish complete nonsense.
  12. The myth of melting ice and rising seas

    The argument about Climate change is over. It is a near as science ever gets to fact. Yet this OP has actually regurgitated just about every discredited argument glued them together with a dollop of fake news and a dash of ignorance and has put them forward as an argument?....I presume it is satire?
  13. Air pollution at Rayong ?

    I'm just reporting information that is readily available of the net and making a reasoned commentary. I feel though that some people may have their judgments clouded by a "vested interest" in the region. I'm sure it must be rather annoying to find oneself living in bought or rented accommodation in the middle of one of the most polluted areas in Thailand. It is my fervent hope that the more this information is publicised the more likely the authorities are to take the action needed to ensure a pollution free environment. Few people have actually countered a single piece of information I've posted. They prefer to debate where I live - although I fail to see the significance of that....apart from the fact I've missed (sometimes narrowly) the incidents listed below. the information is there if you care to look. Can you see a patten here? Oct 2017 - ASM fire - Asia Industry, Ban Chang https://www.thailandnews.co/2017/10/silicone-factory-ablaze-rayong/ http://www.nationmultimedia.com/img/news/2017/10/19/30329672/0c0df4e0c17695c9daedc36e992b8bfe-sld.jpeg Aug 2016 RAYONG: A wastewater tank exploded and started a fire inside the factory of PTT Phenol Co in the Hemaraj Eastern Industrial Estate, Muang district, early on Monday. https://www.thephuketnews.com/no-casualties-as-wastewater-tank-at-petrochemical-plant-in-rayong-explodes-causes-fire-58794.php https://www.thephuketnews.com/photo/listing/2016/1471853367_1-org.jpg May 2016 RAYONG: -- Nine workers were injured, two of them seriously, when a smelter furnace bursted at a factory in an industrial estate in Rayong province Thursday. https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/920514-nine-injured-in-smelter-furnace-explosion-in-rayong/ Feb 2015 http://www.pattayamail.com/news/fire-causes-13-billion-baht-damage-at-rayong-tire-factory-44732 Fire causes 1.3 billion baht damage at Rayong tire factory April 2013 Rayong factory fire causes panic, 80 Mil. baht damage http://www.pattayamail.com/news/rayong-factory-fire-causes-panic-80-mil-baht-damage-24427 “Blaze at Rayong chemical factory kills 12 “An explosion that sparked a blaze at a chemical factory in eastern Thailand killed 12 people, injured more than 100 and spewed toxic smoke into the air, the health ministry said on Sunday..... The plant contained more than seven tons of liquid petroleum gas, 600 kg. of chlorine and other chemicals.” May 2012 Rayong Toluene Plant Explosion 30 Injured 3 Killed http://pattayadailynews.com/rayong-toluene-plant-explosion-30-injured-3-killed/ “The municipality moved everybody out of the area because of the wind direction that blew strong chemical smell to Amphur Baan Chang and Amphur Sattahip.” The final deat toll seems to be 12 with 129 injured........ Chemical explosion at Map Ta Phut in Rayong kills 12 https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/news-chemical-explosion-at-map-ta-phut-in-rayong-kills-12/
  14. So ... Brit-fate OK and Thai-fate not OK? I suppose you are now going to claim that isn't racist?
  15. Please if you are going to make comments on road safety in Thailand please get up to speed on what road safety is and how Thailand and international authorities define and approach the issue. This requires just a little self eduction. Start by finding out the difference between search and research and work for there. Otherwise your comments simply make no sense.