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  1. In absolute terms, you maybe considered just as incorrect as those who argue a "yes" answer.
  2. Yes, it seems unrealistic, implausible & impossible to our mind. However, this is the Buddhas invitation. Letting go and experiencing for oneself. The Kalama Sutta indicates to try for oneself and if it is false to move on. But to try for oneself requires a considerable amount of effort and faith in order to have first hand experience. Hence the rewards along the way such as Piti, Sukha, & other states. The point being that Mind is impermanent & conditioned, whilst Awareness is deathless. From the writings of many, the closest I can come to describing Nibbana is deathless, universal & without time. If you attain it in this life, it doesn't mean that one drops their daily life. It's just that the traveler realizes the reality of Samsara. It's said that the shell of an Arahant (ones life) continues to go about its conditioned life governed by various forces including Kharma until death of the physical body/mind. .
  3. Well set out Vincent. I find placing the Buddhas teachings in a discussion is a good way to re familiarise oneself with Buddhism, as well as being able to share thoughts and ideas. What immediately comes to mind (my mind) after reading the your list of senses is that the practice of Mindfulness brings us closer to seeing the world as it really us, rather than seeing it through "conditioned eyes". The sixth sense is definitely of interest. Without it there would be very little separating us from an automaton. My intimation of "something beyond our noses " goes a little further than the realm of Mind. From what I am reading, the Mind is also an impediment. Initially we must use the Mind to navigate through the quagmire of conditioning and to navigate along the path. Eventually Mind will present as the final obstacle. Quote: Do you think there is something very special about realization? There is not. It is quite ordinary. It is just becoming who you already are. It is perfect peace of mind, freedom from fear, dissolution of ego and a spontaneous unfolding of life within silence. It can be difficult to drop the mind. That is the key. Once you realise this then the pathless path is clear. Buddhist analytical thinking just confuses this simple message. There is no teacher. There is no student. There is no teaching. Cut the root of a tree And the leaves will wither; Cut the root of your mind And Samsara falls. The light of any lamp Dispels in a moment The darkness of long kalpas; The strong light of the mind In but a flash will burn The veil of ignorance. Whoever clings to mind sees not The truth of what’s Beyond the mind. Whoever strives to practice Dharma Finds not the truth of Beyond-practice. To know what is Beyond both mind and practice, One should cut cleanly through the root of mind And stare naked. One should thus break away From all distinctions and remain at ease.
  4. I think the Buddha leaned towards a state both "Permanent & Unconditioned" rather than a supreme individual. I agree that Nirvana is beyond description but a Creator God, as indicated by the Buddha, is also in Samsara along with us, only with greater powers. 21st century man could take on the guise of a God in the eyes on stone age man. Soon we'll uncover the genetic puzzle which causes us to age and perhaps man can then live for very long periods. However all our powers and might are impermanent & conditioned. Yes, Nirvana is beyond description. All we need do is ponder infinity & beginning to settle on the notion that there's a very good chance there is something beyond our noses.
  5. Hi Vincent. I think I viewed her video. It was quite some time ago. Quite inspiring. I don't think a "Silent Mind" or "Conscious State without Thought" equals "Awakening". You can spend considerable time in that state (Samadhi or Stillness of Mind) but this is not Awakening. I've also read that this state contains traps which lay in wait for the practitioner. Samadhi (Right Concentration) is one of a number of tools one uses on the path to Awakening. In terms of the "pure religious belief" description, wouldn't we have to take this up with the Buddha? We are talking about that which is the opposite to "Impermanent & Conditioned"? To us, not only is it inconceivable, how could we ever devise tools with which to measure or degine it?
  6. I have a feeling that scientific measurement can only be used to measure the realm of Samsara. If you can measure it Awakening hasn't taken place. Nibbana is beyond measurement.
  7. Hi Vincent. This has always been the case hasn't it? Didn't the Buddha proclaim Awakening without empirical evidence (enlightenment being an 18th century word which doesn't capture the original Sanskrit & Pali words)?
  8. Nice experience D. Mine was similar. Six days into a 10 day retreat. Try as I might, I just couldn't successfully meditate (first Jhana). I gave in and simply focused on my posture and breath. Bingo, that delicate state you alluded to revealed itself. It isn't something, & it isn't nothingness. A conscious state without thought. It has several levels (very exciting).
  9. Aren't all Awakenings personal experiences?
  10. As the Buddhadasa concept (Rebirth moment to moment), is within the relm of current science then I accept it, but I'm open to Rebirth beyond. To say it does not exist is as difficult to prove as saying that it does. But, as said by many, attachment to that which is beyond our ability to comprehend is best left alone. All will be revealed with successful practice.
  11. I view it a little differently. If you use the pyramid model, the bulk of the billions out there will take just short of eternity before they might Awaken, while a few at any given time will succeed. The same model can be used for Monks vs everyone else. As the general population far out numbers full time Monks on the planet, then isn't there enough resource to go around? Sure some give more, and more than they can afford in comparison to others, but what is their motive? Are they doing it to garner good luck? If they are then isn't this a form of Greed & Aversion, not to mention Delusion? The Buddha realized that the effort to become fully Awakened required most of ones time and effort and so began the Bikkhu/ni path. What you're referring to (Theravadin monks often live in temple compounds next to glittering, gold-plated, expensive ornaments, built and paid for by the working class) is an example of Greed & Aversion. I don't think we should discredit a system based on its misuse. If indeed the Buddhas teachings are based in fact, then those who misuse their positions will be sewing considerable Kharma and its unstoppable fruit, Vipaka. At the very least they'll definitely not succeed in any kind of Awakening. They will effectively have wasted their lives. Those who spend all their spare resource over giving for good luck will also be wasting their resource and end up stuck in Samsara. There is no substitute for practice. Although Santi Asoke are beyond reproach on much that they advocate, perhaps they might be missing the point when it comes to Right Concentration & Right Livelihood. The Buddha new that not everyone in the world good practice. If everyone did there would be mass starvation to begin with. For the average person who needed to feed his family the Buddha gave hope and a beginning with Right Action, Right Livelihood, & Right Speech.
  12. In your case, these first impressions or early conditioning I refer to relate to your lifestyle and leanings, and that Buddhism appeared to align with these and hence your attraction to Buddhism, not the other way around. :)
  13. My preoccupation of late is peoples motives, and in this case peoples motives which cause them to be drawn to Buddhism. I find most people already have a formed view, and in the case of Buddhism, a formed view of what Buddhism is. In many cases their formed view of what Buddhism is significantly differs from the Buddha's basic teachings. If their formed opinion of what Buddhism is aligns with their personal preferences, then they'll be drawn to it. This might include such things as: Vegetarianism. Ethical lifestyle. Philosophy rather than religion. My other observation is that one's first impression/experience is very powerful. Even when something or someone turns out to be quite different, people automatically return to a first impressions picture or view. This is part of the auto view/response rather than functioning in the moment. I've been fortunate enough to have imparted very good first impressions on a couple of key people in my employment. I'm sadly turned out to be short of the first impressions I gave, but the power of these first impressions has kept me afloat. :) You can teach a person, what the Buddha actually was teaching, but if this differs from a persons conditioned view of it, they'll gradually revery to their earlier (first impression/experience) views over time. People can change but most don't. Everyone is set in stone. This is why most will not Awaken. You've described this ultimate goal as a difficult achievement, something beyond achieving or worrying about. My contention is that our predisposition to our deeply ingrained conditioning (habits & beliefs) is our anchor. Awakening is simple but our conditioning holds us back.
  14. It's interesting to read that Marja-Leena Heikkilä-Horn says: I do not think we can reach the highest level in this life, but we have to try. In other words the Santi Asoke teaching is that adherents must try for the ultimate goal in this life.
  15. Doesn't, the requirement for "Right Concentration", fit into his teaching of achieving awareness of the 4 Jhanas? In other words, if he taught the need to progress ones awareness of the four Jhanas, then he must have prescribed Right Concentration. Quote: And what is right concentration? Right concentration meditative in Buddhism is a state of awareness without any object or subject, and ultimately unto nothingness and emptiness. I do like the model Santi Asoke Monks ascribe to in which they sustain themselves with productive work rather than living off the poor community. We do agree that many misuse the robes as a front for an easy life. Such people do incalculable damage, not only to themselves, but to the name of Buddhism. But aren't there many adherents of Buddhism who don't misuse their position, putting the resources made available to them towards faithful endeavor? My understanding is that the level of Samadhi required to get to the 4th Jhana requires quite a bit of ones day. It was the Buddha who was quoted as having said that the prescribed practice required full time application for most to be successful. I think with the Santi Asoke work ethos, they maybe treading a fine line between achieving Awakening vs a Naturalist Lifestyle. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with the latter, but this is not the same as achieving the state of Awakening.