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  1. Understand. Do not remember seeing a prior posting of the experience of a Thai who obtained a Thai passport Overseas and attempted entry into Thailand through an E-gate or attempted to enter Thailand 6via an E-gate but never exited Thailand that way. Time and another forum may tell. But either way what do you have to lose, why not try them. Sent from my SM-J710F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
  2. No problem. Sent from my SM-J710F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
  3. Half way down this article there is a statement on the posting of the Constitution in the Royal Gazette. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1780VB
  4. Try this - you will need to use the site search engine I believe (I do not read Thai, I provide this as I believe this is the article on the Constitution). Try searching by date of April 6. http://www.mratchakitcha.soc.go.th/ รัฐธรรมนูญแห่งรอาณาจักร [พุทธศักราช๒๕๖๐] ๖ เมษายน ๒๕๖๐
  5. Arkady's posting was "Section 5. The Constitution is the supreme law of the State. The provisions of any law, rule, or regulation, or any action which are contrary to or inconsistent with the Constitution shall not be unenforceable." I was wondering where "not" came from as it is not in the U.N. translation of that sentence.
  6. Thanks, interesting. Good explanation. Maybe there should be signs (are there?) at the arrival E-gates to warn off travelers not to use them and tie up the gates/embassy pamphlet informing those obtaining New passports overseas to not attempt entry via the gates. Sent from my SM-J710F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
  7. Who/what is the source of information that states you cannot enter Thailand via the E-gates, if you did not exit Thailand first via them. In discussion with the Thai embassy that was believed to be a rumor. E-gate readers in many countries compare bio-metrics embedded in the passport's chip with those gathered on walk through of the E-gate (picture, finger prints, scan of passport, etc) and if they match you continue on, if not you are flagged to the IO. Is Thailand using a different reader/comparison process? Sent from my SM-J710F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
  8. The constitution was published in the Royal Gazette on April 6, the date of signing. It can be found there on that website. As to my suggesting deletion of the word "not" at the end of section 5 of Arkady's posting, that is in keeping with the translation of section 5 of the constitution as posted online by the UN (the word "not" not used in that sentence). Your posting was quite rude for a forum Admin member I think.
  9. Arkady, should the wording to Section 5 be "or any action which are inconsistent with the Constitution shall be unenforceable" vice "shall not be unenforceable"? Sent from my SM-J710F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
  10. Add to the above, as mentioned by others several times, the E-gates are easy to use, quick and entry and exit friendly to a Thai national with a valid Thai passport. Sent from my SM-J710F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
  11. There is so much poor if not outright contradictory or wrong information on the subject of Dual Nationality both on the web as well as in various forums. Easy for a reader to miss information of value or simply get confused during search of the web, if not various postings. Could maybe forum moderators come up with a sticky or pin of relevant issues that can be agreed on (maybe a copy of section 39 of Thai Constitution in Thai and English that pertains to entry and nationality; extract of MFA posting relating to Thai's and multiple passports; extract of relevant change(s) in the Nationality Act that gives Thai's the "option" of revoking their citizenship (vice automatically losing it) on obtaining citizenship of their husband/wife; maybe some words reflecting issues such as if entering Thailand on a new Thai passport (no exit stamp) it may be advisable that one may wish to bring their old passport with them on entry to Thailand in case an IO requests to see an Exit stamp; that as a Thai one may wish to enter Thailand on a Thai passport and if entering on a foreign passport, leave on it; that if overseas one should think about getting a new Thai passport at an embassy (vice returning to and leaving Thailand on a foreign passport, no record existing that as a Thai citizen they left the country on their newly acquired Thai passport); if one has problems one may think about asking to see a supervisor; and such). Just a suggestion (hope I got the above right myself) as I do not know forum rules on this.
  12. Remember somewhere, in this or other recent forum, mention was made that Thai nationals cannot have two passports. That statement should be couched with the answer that according to the Thai MFA website (http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/1415/21482-e-Passport-Application-for-Thai-Nationals-Living-A.html) “Your Passport is a valuable document and should not be possessed by any other person. Thai nationals can only hold one Passport. If you lose your Passport, you must immediately notify the Passport Division, local police, or the Thai embassy or consulate-general)". This though is clarified under the website’s FAQ section, which I suspect is in keeping with the 2008 Nationality Act that allowed a Thai to keep their citizenship in case of marriage to a foreign national. In this section (http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/1415/21483-Frequently-Asked-Questions-(FAQs).html} it answers the question of “Can I apply for a Thai e-Passport if I am already holding a foreign Passport? -Yes, if you are a Thai national, you may apply for a Thai e-Passport. However, many countries will not recognize dual citizenship. Therefore, you may be required to give up other nationalities before you can apply for a Passport from that country.)". This though does not say that you can/should, as a Thai citizen, present or use the foreign passport for entry into Thailand.
  13. A lot of information being passed at this time that readers may find confusing. Appreciate clarification of some recent comments. 1) Has to exit e-gate using e-passport in order to enter e-gate using e-passport. Is this meant to say a Thai needs to first depart Thailand through its e-gates in order to enter Thailand via the e-gates? Are Thais on new passports issued by embassy not being allowed to enter via the e-gates? 2) Gate - closed. Is this in relationship to the E-gates? Can you now exit Thailand via a foreign E-gate? 3) TM-6's - would a person leaving on a foreign passport not be using the same TM-6 they arrived on? They would have then used both portions of the TM-6. On entering Thailand with the Thai passport, if they do not have an old TM-6 associated with the Thai passport would they not simply enter on a new TM-6, which I believe is very common with no questions asked. 4) At the start of the forum it was indicated that the old passport (with departure stamp?) was available but not taken by the Thai wife and that the husband informed the wife to complain to supervisors if problems arose. Thai immigrations (1111 call) themselves stated the wife had the option of leaving Thailand on the foreign passport and returning on the new passport (and should be carrying the old passport (and seemingly exit stamp) at that time. And, complain to a supervisor if problems arose. Nice to know if she has done this, and results.
  14. The events being discussed in this forum are prior to the recent signing of the new Thai Constitution on April 6, where section 39 directly addresses the right of entry and that a Thai national cannot have his/her citizenship revoked. I suspect changes to the Thai Nationality Act will be made down the road and this aid in limiting somewhat future incidents as noted in this forum. That said, if even then two passports are put in front of an IO ...... (1) http://www.mratchakitcha.soc.go.th/ รัฐธรรมนูญแห่งราชอาณาจักร [พุทธศักราช ๒๕๖๐] ๖ เมษายน ๒๕๖๐ มาตรา ๓๙ การเนรเทศบุคคลสัญชาติไทยออกนอกราชอาณาจักร หรือห้ามมิให้ผู้มีสัญชาติไทย เข้ามาในราชอาณาจักร จะกระทำมิได้ การถอนสัญชาติของบุคคลซึ่งมีสัญชาติไทยโดยการเกิด จะกระทำมิได้ (2) (unofficial UN translation) www.icj.org/thailand-english-translation-of-draft-constitution/ Section 39 No person of Thai nationality shall be deported or prohibited from entering the Kingdom. Revocation of Thai nationality acquired by birth of a person shall not be permitted.
  15. Similar clarification as to the importance of departing and returning to Thailand on the same arrival/departure card control number. From my viewing when my wife and I recently entered Thailand the airline attendants issued new arrival/departure cards to a significant number of Thai nationals. While waiting in immigration line my wife helped one person in filing one out. While my wife was delayed passing through immigrations as her new embassy issued passport did not contain an exit stamp, the issue of her having a new arrival card was not brought up (the Exit stamp issue readily resolved when I retrieved her prior Thai passport). On departure from Thailand the airlines gave her a Departure card, but it had no arrival card attached. The E-Gate attendant took the departure card but made no mention that she needed the second (serialized) half on return.