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2 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

Doesnt need to be a agent in issan (there are a few) Skype one in pattaya. Join Kk expat comunity on FB  a good few advertising on there.

The problem is that the agents arrange the extension and etc with the local immigration office where they are located. That means that it is where the 90 day reports have to be done. That can cause problems to do a address change to do the reports to a local office. Some are wise to the facts and suspect that the extension was done under the table and will refuse to accept the 90 day reports. I can recall one person having to do border runs every 90 days instead of doing the reports.

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1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

The problem is that the agents arrange the extension and etc with the local immigration office where they are located. That means that it is where the 90 day reports have to be done. That can cause problems to do a address change to do the reports to a local office. Some are wise to the facts and suspect that the extension was done under the table and will refuse to accept the 90 day reports. I can recall one person having to do border runs every 90 days instead of doing the reports.

Yes i hear what you say i should have said they advertise saying they can help all over thailand. I presume they have networks all over. Sorry for the confusion

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3 hours ago, BritTim said:

If all else fails, a marriage in Thailand, not registered with the Dutch authorities, would give him more options.

 

3 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Interesting thought.

might be worth him looking into

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3 hours ago, BritTim said:

If all else fails, a marriage in Thailand, not registered with the Dutch authorities, would give him more options.

My own wife has raised the point that a foreigner marrying in Thailand has to get confirmation from their embassy that they are free to marry. That would then alert them to the possibility of his status changing. I don't expect they would keep track and then follow up on if he did marry or not, but with the efficiency of the Europeans it wouldn't surprise me if they did.

As to the fact(?) that just living with someone overseas already breaks the Dutch rules (#12 above), that seems rather far-fetched as there is no way to prove that he is, especially from Holland. I'll mention it to him though.

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Go to an agency and all problems will be solved within one day.  But it will probably cost 20,000 b +.

I think worth it but up to you....

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54 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

My own wife has raised the point that a foreigner marrying in Thailand has to get confirmation from their embassy that they are free to marry. That would then alert them to the possibility of his status changing. I don't expect they would keep track and then follow up on if he did marry or not, but with the efficiency of the Europeans it wouldn't surprise me if they did.

As to the fact(?) that just living with someone overseas already breaks the Dutch rules (#12 above), that seems rather far-fetched as there is no way to prove that he is, especially from Holland. I'll mention it to him though.

No, not far fetched. The rule is living together, not being married yes or no. They call it the toothbrush rule :)

 

The embassy doesn't know if he is married or not, only that he asked for the statement he is free to marry, so no worries there.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

I wonder how many people there are in Thailand who, like him, support a Thai family but there is no visa that is properly relevant to them. I guess maybe not many, as most are willing and able to marry a local.

If such a visa were available, you can be sure there would be a sudden rush of people claiming to support a Thai family in order to qualify for the visa. I expect there are a fair number who do support Thai families one way or another, but still manage to stay in Thailand without relying on tourist visas.

 

And to be fair, your friend would be eligible for either an extension of stay based on marriage or retirement except, apparently, for his personal financial situation/choices. So to say that "he has to rely on tourist visas" isn't accurate. Obviously the Thai authorities have set some fairly minimal requirements for someone like him to stay in Thailand. They can't be expected to tailor more ways to stay long term in order to cater to individual circumstances.

 

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. It seems silly to me that he has to rely on tourist visas when he isn't a tourist

 

It seems silly to me that someone who chooses to marry would be penalized by his own government. Possibly they could be considered the cause of the problem rather than blaming it on Thai immigration policy.

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3 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

If such a visa were available, you can be sure there would be a sudden rush of people claiming to support a Thai family in order to qualify for the visa. I expect there are a fair number who do support Thai families one way or another, but still manage to stay in Thailand without relying on tourist visas.

 

And to be fair, your friend would be eligible for either an extension of stay based on marriage or retirement except, apparently, for his personal financial situation/choices. So to say that "he has to rely on tourist visas" isn't accurate. Obviously the Thai authorities have set some fairly minimal requirements for someone like him to stay in Thailand. They can't be expected to tailor more ways to stay long term in order to cater to individual circumstances.

 

 

It seems silly to me that someone who chooses to marry would be penalized by his own government. Possibly they could be considered the cause of the problem rather than blaming it on Thai immigration policy.

"It seems silly to me that someone who chooses to marry would be penalized by his own government. Possibly they could be considered the cause of the problem rather than blaming it on Thai immigration policy."

As pointed out already, married or not has no bearing on the pensions.

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7 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

Thanks. But I doubt that he has the money up-front for that.

Barry  why does he loose a big percentage of his Dutch  pension 

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4 minutes ago, mikecha said:

Question why is his Dutch pension less if he marries a thai woman

Maybe it is "survivor benefits"  Especially if she is younger they will reduce his pension benefit.

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5 hours ago, BritTim said:

 

 

I agree that it is odd that he is penalised for marrying. I believe the same rule applies in Australia and/or NZ too.

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1 hour ago, stevenl said:

"It seems silly to me that someone who chooses to marry would be penalized by his own government. Possibly they could be considered the cause of the problem rather than blaming it on Thai immigration policy."

As pointed out already, married or not has no bearing on the pensions.

OK. Even sillier unless there's some logical reason for that which hasn't been given in this thread. It sounds  like they are penalizing someone for having a domestic companion however the relationship is described.

 

Anyway, it seems the problem for the  friend of O/P has to do with Dutch pension rules and (I guess) some personal debt he took on.  rather than for the O/P to blameThai immigrations.

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No-one on this thread, as far as I can see, has blamed Thai immigration. My question was what options he has within the rules. He has since told me he is okay for now to rely on a series of tourist visas and extensions.

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11 hours ago, mikecha said:

Question why is his Dutch pension less if he marries a thai woman

Answer:  read the thread.  It's only 2 pages, and the answer to this has already been posted.

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