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Bangkok Barry    2,316
2 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

Glad that he's ok for the 20,000.....it sounded as though he might be short of cash after the Savannakhet episode you mentioned.

No. He just didn't expect it and wasn't prepared, as he found no reference to it on the relevant Thai government website. Seems they haven't updated it this year with the new rules.

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mikecha    40
7 hours ago, stevenl said:

Of course they don't pay out less if you're married to a Thai, they pay out the same amount, no matter who you're married to. But the amount for somebody living alone is higher than for somebody living together with somebody else.

No a dutch state pension is a set   amont to all individuals either man or woman they dont have a married pension amount 

every body get it  so if the persons partner dies you get less thats how it is 

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mikecha    40

All Dutch state pensions are individual  meaning man and woman get the same but not in 1 man woman married packet 

both get seperetlaly    people get a state pension if you pay for it from your earnings so if you have not paid anything you get nothing 

 

if you are a Dutch woman citisen of Holland and Always have been a house wife you will get a pension 

 

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Tanoshi    191
9 hours ago, mikecha said:

No a dutch state pension is a set   amont to all individuals either man or woman they dont have a married pension amount 

every body get it  so if the persons partner dies you get less thats how it is 

 

Maximum monthly state pension payments

To have a general idea of how much a person can expect to receive each month from the state pension it’s possible to look at the standard example of people who have lived in the Netherlands from age 15 to 65 and who receive a full pension:

  • Couples living together
    Around 700 euros each gross per month (50 percent of the current minimum wage).
  • People living alone
    Around 1.000 euros gross per month (70 percent of the current minimum wage).

https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/official-issues/pensions-retirement-netherlands 

 

Looks like a different amount for people living alone and couples living together to me!

The key question here is that a Thai partner wouldn't be entitled to a Dutch state pension, having made no contributions, so they may not be recognised as a couple living together under this guidance, which applies to Dutch residents.

 

If they are going to apply the rule and reduce the Dutch citizens pension because he lives in a foreign Country, with a foreign partner, then by the same rule they should pay the reduced rate to both. They either recognise a foreign partner, or they don't.

I know a few Dutch expats, married to Thais and never once have they complained about their state pension being reduced because they are living with someone.

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stevenl    8,717
9 hours ago, mikecha said:

No a dutch state pension is a set   amont to all individuals either man or woman they dont have a married pension amount 

every body get it  so if the persons partner dies you get less thats how it is 

Totally incorrect. The pensions are personal: a single person gets more than somebody living together. So if somebody dies the remaining individual gets personally more, but it will be considerable lower than the couple received. That is why the friend of the OP would get less if he reported his actual living conditions to the Social Security Office (SSO) or in Holland SVB. The SSO can also do living checks BTW, so there is a realistic chance the OP's friend will get caught out.

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stevenl    8,717
10 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

 

Maximum monthly state pension payments

To have a general idea of how much a person can expect to receive each month from the state pension it’s possible to look at the standard example of people who have lived in the Netherlands from age 15 to 65 and who receive a full pension:

  • Couples living together
    Around 700 euros each gross per month (50 percent of the current minimum wage).
  • People living alone
    Around 1.000 euros gross per month (70 percent of the current minimum wage).

https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/official-issues/pensions-retirement-netherlands 

 

Looks like a different amount for people living alone and couples living together to me!

The key question here is that a Thai partner wouldn't be entitled to a Dutch state pension, having made no contributions, so they may not be recognised as a couple living together under this guidance, which applies to Dutch residents.

 

If they are going to apply the rule and reduce the Dutch citizens pension because he lives in a foreign Country, with a foreign partner, then by the same rule they should pay the reduced rate to both. They either recognise a foreign partner, or they don't.

I know a few Dutch expats, married to Thais and never once have they complained about their state pension being reduced because they are living with someone.

"If they are going to apply the rule and reduce the Dutch citizens pension because he lives in a foreign Country, with a foreign partner, then by the same rule they should pay the reduced rate to both. They either recognise a foreign partner, or they don't."

They do, provided the foreign partner has been paying in to the state pension during working years (used to be 2% per year from 15-65, this is changing at the moment due to changing retirement age).

 

"I know a few Dutch expats, married to Thais and never once have they complained about their state pension being reduced because they are living with someone."

Because according to their official status they are living alone, or they used to live in the Netherlands and they have both been paying in to the state pension.

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Tanoshi    191
46 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Because according to their official status they are living alone, or they used to live in the Netherlands and they have both been paying in to the state pension.

 

I guess they just don't notify the Dutch authorities.

'Out of sight, out of mind' scenario.

I can't recall reading any reports of Dutch officials knocking on Thai doors to check the living status of a Dutch citizen.

 

Like everything else in life, you roll the dice and take your chances.

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ALFREDO    785
23 hours ago, BritTim said:

Things like the dodgy retirement extensions are far from secure in the long term.

LOL, but they are since long available and as money talks - will be longer - I believe.  :wink:

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ALFREDO    785
On 12/9/2560 at 9:14 AM, ubonjoe said:

he cannot qualify for the extension

 

-ubonjoe-

Got on another Forum the question -

why I not go to Savanneketh Thai Consulate and make a Non Immigrant O Multiple Entry Visa - 

 

I living with Thai family and my Thai children and provide for them - I think on that basis - I not married, not retired,

I cannot get such a Visa in the region - as far as I remember from previous Forum postings here on Thaivisa.

 

In the moment I make Non Immigrant O single entry and sometime a Border run for Visa exempt entry - Land border and Airport border and 60 days extension on these Visa.

 

Thank you :smile:

 

 

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stevenl    8,717
1 hour ago, Tanoshi said:

 

I guess they just don't notify the Dutch authorities.

'Out of sight, out of mind' scenario.

I can't recall reading any reports of Dutch officials knocking on Thai doors to check the living status of a Dutch citizen.

 

Like everything else in life, you roll the dice and take your chances.

Very true. It would not be the Dutch authorities knocking on Thai doors though but Thai authorities, the handling of this has been delegated to the Thai SSO.

 

And the OPs friend marrying in Thailand would have no impact on his practical living situation or contact with SSO, but would potentially make life easier with Thai immigration.

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Evilbaz    509

The situation for Australians (referenced above) is that couples- married or defacto (if both eligible for OAP)  get a lesser rate per person than the Single rate by approx. 25%.

Australian Social Security recognizes de facto and de jure relationships as equal.

 

So an Aussie pensioner married to a Thai (who would likely be ineligible for OAP) would, if discovered, lose 25% of their Single OAP rate.

There is no longer any widow benefits.

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stevenl    8,717
2 minutes ago, Evilbaz said:

The situation for Australians (referenced above) is that couples- married or defacto (if both eligible for OAP)  get a lesser rate per person than the Single rate by approx. 25%.

Australian Social Security recognizes de facto and de jure relationships as equal.

 

So an Aussie pensioner married to a Thai (who would likely be ineligible for OAP) would, if discovered, lose 25% of their Single OAP rate.

There is no longer any widow benefits.

That makes it very similar to the Dutch situation. At the moment for Dutchies widow benefits are in a transition period, depending on date of birth they could still be eligible.

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Bangkok Barry    2,316

Thank you all for your comments. There is some conflicting information here, and I'll now send a link to the person involved and he can sift through it all and draw his own conclusions.

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