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Dear all, 

I was stopped at customs 12 years ago when I attempted to go back to home country from Bangkok. Apparently, when I was given a free trip to Bangkok by a friend with a ticket that transits in Bangkok to go to Japan, he took my boarding pass and gave to a Chinese lady to board with a fake passport bearing my name n details but with her picture. I was forced to sign a document that I remembered the officer said I'm barred from entry for 100 years, after I was kept in Bangkok Detention Center for around 8 days, then deported.

there was no court proceedings, warrants or anything. I was not given a chance to speak to a lawyer, was told if I do not sign this document, I will be kept forever. 

Local authorities launched an investigation for around a year and cleared me and returned my passport. I have never attempted to enter Thailand since then and let the matter bury.

Fast forward 12 years, I am now given an incentive trip by company for a short cruise and one of the port of call is Phuket. 

Arrives morning and depart in the evening. 

I accepted happily thinking if I don't disembark, nothing will happen.

In the last few days, a Friend actually heard about my trip and told me all the passports will still be sent for clearance and I'm already in thai waters, this might constitute an illegal attempt into Thailand already though there is no attempt to disembark. 

I'm scared and desperate now, I do not know who I can go to for an afimative answer and I stumbled on this blog. The cruise is happening on coming Monday 16 Oct. 

my old passport number is our National Identity Number and there is a chop on it which I have attached here in the post. 

The new passport is another number since our country changed to biometric system but our national id number is still in the new passport, also in the code of numbers at the bottom of the page. 

Will anyone here be able to help me please? Is there anything I can do to be sure I will not get into trouble in Phuket even if I stay on board? I have also paid to bring my family with me and now I am horribly stuck...

Please please help....

thank you...

desperate mother 

 

 

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It is probably the case that the passenger manifest will be submitted to Thai Immigration and your name will come up as a previous deportee. However, if you don't attempt to disembark, probably the worst that will happen is that they refuse you entry and direct the Captain to keep you on board until the ship departs - so I wouldn't worry too much. Perhaps as well to speak to the Purser before you get to Phuket and make it clear that you don't want to go ashore there. I was an Immigration Officer and dealt with such matters at UK seaports for a number of years.

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Did the Thai police arrest your friend for arranging the fake passport in your name for the Chinese Lady? Did you file charges against your friend.Tell us more about your friend and what happened! This is interesting!

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Dear Eff1n2ret:

thank you so much to your prompt help. 

I was told by the same Friend (she works as a cruise sales agent) that 4 years ago, a person, a similar case happened. The customer did not disembark from ship but the Thai Customs disembarked her and kept her in Phuket for 3 days, claiming there is no return ticket available. According to my Friend, this person is also blacklisted. 

I checked with Royal Carribean and they said that the customs officers come on board to do clearance and they cannot interfere with the jurisdiction of local authorities, I.e, they cannot prevent me from being taken away. 

I am trying to read the Immigration act 2522 in English and it's really Super hard. 

Also I don't understand what it says on the chop of my passport and document. 

???

 

11 minutes ago, Eff1n2ret said:

It is probably the case that the passenger manifest will be submitted to Thai Immigration and your name will come up as a previous deportee. However, if you don't attempt to disembark, probably the worst that will happen is that they refuse you entry and direct the Captain to keep you on board until the ship departs - so I wouldn't worry too much. Perhaps as well to speak to the Purser before you get to Phuket and make it clear that you don't want to go ashore there. I was an Immigration Officer and dealt with such matters at UK seaports for a number of years.

 

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7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The only thing I see on what you posted is a denial of entry under section 12 (7) of the immigration act.

Since you can stay aboard the ship I can see no reason for you having a problem. You might even want to try entering the country. All they can do is deny entry and then you would be allowed to return to the ship.

Dear Urbanjoe, 

thank you for reply, do you understand thai? 

There are 2 papers here, it's terribly faded but incase you can read it, even barely, may be able to help advise better? 

The funny thing I only noticed now after so many years, is that the Thai used recycled paper to print these out, I remembered the print was already very light when I was forced to sign...

Thank you. 

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10 minutes ago, tomwct said:

Did the Thai police arrest your friend for arranging the fake passport in your name for the Chinese Lady? Did you file charges against your friend.Tell us more about your friend and what happened! This is interesting!

Dear Tomwct, 

 

Not that I know. This friend disappeared after I tried to call him from the airport detention office. 

No I did not file any charges, I was only relieved to be back home and I was also going through the investigation from my home authorities..

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31 minutes ago, Circles said:

I checked with Royal Carribean and they said that the customs officers come on board to do clearance and they cannot interfere with the jurisdiction of local authorities, I.e, they cannot prevent me from being taken away

That is of course correct. 

I can't understand, however, why they would want to disembark someone and detain them when they do not intend to enter the country and are booked to travel to a further destination. The refusal of entry would be a paper exercise which would count towards the statistics justifying their existence without involving them in any further work.

If what happened to your friend's customer is their normal procedure, then I regret my previous advice doesn't count for much - except perhaps speak to the Purser and make it clear that you will co-operate with your "detention on board."

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12 minutes ago, Circles said:

There are 2 papers here, it's terribly faded but incase you can read it, even barely, may be able to help advise better? 

That is an acknowledgement that you received the  form and a notice that your visa/entry was revoked.

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22 minutes ago, Eff1n2ret said:

That is of course correct. 

I can't understand, however, why they would want to disembark someone and detain them when they do not intend to enter the country and are booked to travel to a further destination. The refusal of entry would be a paper exercise which would count towards the statistics justifying their existence without involving them in any further work.

If what happened to your friend's customer is their normal procedure, then I regret my previous advice doesn't count for much.

Dear Eff1n2ret,

thank you for kind explanation and your honest views, I guess I have to announce to the family for the non holiday...also in such a short time, I don't think I have much chance to get a definite yes or no to my question..,

thank you again...

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7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

That is an acknowledgement that you received the  form and a notice that your visa/entry was revoked.

Dear Urbanjoe, 

thank you very much for kind attention to these documents 

in short 

- I'm blacklisted and I cannot enter

- because of the blacklist and the retention of the national identification number, once the customs swiped my new passport, the details will pop up and matched the manifest though it was 12 years ago 

- I will be considered illegally trying to attempt entrance as I'm already in thai waters and I maybe forced to disembark and be kept by the Thai police at their mercy...

 

Looks like I shouldn't take this risk at all as the odds against me become clearer...

 

thank you again 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Circles said:

I'm blacklisted and I cannot enter

Not sure about that. The stamps and forms do not confirm that.

 

4 minutes ago, Circles said:

because of the blacklist and the retention of the national identification number, once the customs swiped my new passport, the details will pop up and matched the manifest though it was 12 years ago 

- I will be considered illegally trying to attempt entrance as I'm already in thai waters and I maybe forced to disembark and be kept by the Thai police at their mercy...

Your passports may be linked if you try to enter the country.

I don't think you would be forced to leave the boat. The only way they might do that would be if you were wanted for a crime committed here or elsewhere.

What they do at airports is deny you entry and send you to detention at the airport until you have a flight out of the country arranged and then depart the country.

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11 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Not sure about that. The stamps and forms do not confirm that.

 

Your passports may be linked if you try to enter the country.

I don't think you would be forced to leave the boat. The only way they might do that would be if you were wanted for a crime committed here or elsewhere.

What they do at airports is deny you entry and send you to detention at the airport until you have a flight out of the country arranged and then depart the country.

Dear Urbanjoe,

thank you very much for all your interpretations and kind advice. 

Do you know how one can officially remove themselves from the blacklist? 

I was told to be very careful with looking for a Thai Lawyer as friends heard that the Lawyers would ask for full payment upfront and after sometime, either claimed that it's unsuccessful or worse tell you it's successful only to land the person in hot soup when they try to enter Thailand. 

 

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1 minute ago, Circles said:

Do you know how one can officially remove themselves from the blacklist? 

The first step would be to confirm you are on the blacklist. This company can check with immigration to find out if you are blacklisted for a fee of 2000 to 3000 baht. http://www.thaivisaservice.com/  Your new and old passport numbers would be needed.

You can appeal the blacklisting. You would certainly need to use care when choosing a lawyer to do it.

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28 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The first step would be to confirm you are on the blacklist. This company can check with immigration to find out if you are blacklisted for a fee of 2000 to 3000 baht. http://www.thaivisaservice.com/  Your new and old passport numbers would be needed.

You can appeal the blacklisting. You would certainly need to use care when choosing a lawyer to do it.

Dear Urbanjoe, 

tbank you! I clicked on the link and have sent them an email. 

Crossing my fingers and praying very hard they can check and give affirmative reply soonest...

will keep updates and thank you again! 

 

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