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4 hours ago, madmax2 said:

In Australia a Auto mechanic serves a 5 year apprenticeship which includes one day a fortnight at Technical school to keep them up with all the current new developments in the drive chains etc

They have to pass exams every year and receive their diploma at the end of the 5 years 

 

I asked a ford workshop manager if the same applies here and was told no, all and only training is done in their workshop, Ford motor company are supposed to send engineers out to the workshops to keep them up to date but from my own personal experience they do not do this even after saying they would after many complaints about the quality of ford workshops service and their lack of knowledge of how to fix problems, its a problem with service created by the ford motor company in Thailand not the dealers in my personal experience 

Are you saying that Toyota actually do this or just that Ford don't do it? 

 

Most ranger owners who never had a problem are very happy with the vehicle... 

 

It's only when shit happens..... Ford gets the bad rep.... And apparently not just in Thailand, UK, South Africa and other countries seem eerily similar

 

Hilux or bt50 double cab with a 3" lift and 20" wheels is cheaper than a ranger and it doesn't look too bad (but I have no idea what it costs to do this in Thailand yet)  

 

 

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5 minutes ago, speedtripler said:

Are you saying that Toyota actually do this or just that Ford don't do it? 

 

Most ranger owners who never had a problem are very happy with the vehicle... 

 

It's only when shit happens..... Ford gets the bad rep.... And apparently not just in Thailand, UK, South Africa and other countries seem eerily similar

 

Hilux or bt50 double cab with a 3" lift and 20" wheels is cheaper than a ranger and it doesn't look too bad (but I have no idea what it costs to do this in Thailand yet)  

 

 

The Mazda technicians get extra training than the Ford? I don't know a whole lot about cars, but aren't the engines similar with the Ford maybe having a little more spent on it (so in theory is a bit better). 

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I think the actual Ford product is probably the best overall, however, if the country doesn't have the workers to fix it if something happens then it is a little bit concerning. Do other companies have these issues also I wonder? Why is it only Ford that seems to cop it for this? Surely a big company like Ford couldn't be so out of touch not to train up their staff in 2018 (especially if these issues have been plaguing them for a while). 

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1 hour ago, wildewillie89 said:

In your opinion would the Mitsubishi Triton be the better option to go with then? 

Up to you, most modern vehicles are reliable, i do not like the look of the Triton personally but have not heard of any bad reports about it, do your homework and if happy with the results go for it

The 2 american brands in Thailand are the ones i have read bad reports on, Ford and General Motors Chevrolet, their quality control and repair services are not anywhere as good as the Japanese brands 

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Just now, madmax2 said:

Up to you, most modern vehicles are reliable, i do not like the look of the Triton personally but have not heard of any bad reports about it, do your homework and if happy with the results go for it

The 2 american brands in Thailand are the ones i have read bad reports on, Ford and General Motors Chevrolet, their quality control and repair services are not anywhere as good as the Japanese brands 

I also cant stand the look of the Triton, but after the Ford, it is the safest option for the family. Will be more fuel efficient also, plus 60k cheaper. The Mazda seems to have a ridiculous reversing camera based on the reviews (not as clear as it is in the mirror rather than the centre screen). Isuzu and Toyota of course have the reliability reputation, it's just they score a couple points lower in safety (which could be the difference in a place like Thailand). 

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1 hour ago, wildewillie89 said:

 Surely a big company like Ford couldn't be so out of touch not to train up their staff in 2018 (especially if these issues have been plaguing them for a while). 

Ford dealers are not owned by Ford. They have a license to sell the product line, and provide warranty service. Does Ford care that the problems are evident ? I am sure they do, but not having much - if any - say in how they are resolved. Ford Thailand has this responsibility ultimately. Their decisions are the ones the dealerships must follow. As for the parent company in USA, look at how they handled the DCT fiasco to see where their interests lie.

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24 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

Ford dealers are not owned by Ford. They have a license to sell the product line, and provide warranty service. Does Ford care that the problems are evident ? I am sure they do, but not having much - if any - say in how they are resolved. Ford Thailand has this responsibility ultimately. Their decisions are the ones the dealerships must follow. As for the parent company in USA, look at how they handled the DCT fiasco to see where their interests lie.

So would it be fair to say some Ford dealers are great as they have trained staff and the others are shockers? Or is it a Ford Thailand problem that revolves around every dealer?

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Although we didn't buy our Fords form VP Chaengwattana ... I have to say that their Service Department have been quite good and I would recommend them.

As an extra incentive to go there ... The Product Specialist is called Angelo and he speaks excellent English  and is helpful.

 

They actually phoned us up a couple of days ago to remind us to get the EV serviced before the end of Feb ....

 

VP have another 'garage' in Bangkok ... the Product Specialist there is call Gann, again very helpful and excellent English. If anyone wants his contact details PM me.

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2 hours ago, wildewillie89 said:

In your opinion would the Mitsubishi Triton be the better option to go with then? 

I've had a mix of work pick ups with the last couple being an Izuzu and a Toyota. Prior to that was a ford. All diesel and all made in Thailand.

 

The Izuzu had problems with the centre dash unclipping all the time, then the aircon freezing up if used for too long. It finally died a couple of months ago with a gearbox problem. Others in the fleet suffered accessories electrical problems

 

The Toyota Hilux I was given after that for the past few months has been my favorite out of all the pickups. Even with just under 200k kms it still drove and rode like new. A negative was bumpers starting to rust through the chrome.

 

The past 1,200 kms I've been driving a brand new L200/Triton. I'm not happy with it at all. My major gripe is the amount of noise the engine makes. Its like driving a tractor. None of the other pickups were that loud even when old. Another annoyance is the height of the tailgate making it hard to judge distance when reversing. Apart from that the engine has plenty of power. 

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29 minutes ago, wildewillie89 said:

So would it be fair to say some Ford dealers are great as they have trained staff and the others are shockers? Or is it a Ford Thailand problem that revolves around every dealer?

Some dealers are sure to be better than others - like any business. Where the problem seems to lie is when major problems surface - the DCT trouble - and corporate take a stand. Then their subsidiaries all must follow the corporate line.

Like GM with the ignition key issue - people died, the problem was known, but nothing was done until the numbers rose and class action lawsuits appeared.

Until that time, the Legal department decided it was cheaper to pay a few claims than recall millions of vehicles. Corporate workings at their finest.

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2 hours ago, wildewillie89 said:

I also cant stand the look of the Triton, but after the Ford, it is the safest option for the family. Will be more fuel efficient also, plus 60k cheaper. The Mazda seems to have a ridiculous reversing camera based on the reviews (not as clear as it is in the mirror rather than the centre screen). Isuzu and Toyota of course have the reliability reputation, it's just they score a couple points lower in safety (which could be the difference in a place like Thailand). 

Its the drivers not the trucks that cause the safety problems in Thailand 40% of drivers do not even have a license, drive like you expect to meet a driver who should not be allowed to drive on the road and all the trucks are safe

Anyway toyota was my choice and i am happy with it as i was with all the toyotas i have owned previously, only had it 8 months and have no intentions of changing it at present, if i do change vehicles it will not be into a brand new model, best to wait a couple of years so they can sort out the teething problems most new models have,

That's the beauty about toyota, no radical updates and changes just continuous minor improvements and updates in each new model which keeps them reliable vehicles to own even when they bring out a new model

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2 hours ago, madmax2 said:

Its the drivers not the trucks that cause the safety problems in Thailand 40% of drivers do not even have a license, drive like you expect to meet a driver who should not be allowed to drive on the road and all the trucks are safe

Anyway toyota was my choice and i am happy with it as i was with all the toyotas i have owned previously, only had it 8 months and have no intentions of changing it at present, if i do change vehicles it will not be into a brand new model, best to wait a couple of years so they can sort out the teething problems most new models have,

That's the beauty about toyota, no radical updates and changes just continuous minor improvements and updates in each new model which keeps them reliable vehicles to own even when they bring out a new model

If I was back home whether a truck scored 34 or 36 in crash  tests wouldn't bother me all that much, but here the 7% or so increase I think it is an important factor. Having two little ones in the truck I obviously want the truck that performs closer to the top end of the list in crash tests when one of these 40% of people decides to hit us lol. I really like Toyota's, especially after the Top Gear special. I have driven a couple here and still liked the way they drove, just were a little small for my body shape. Surprisingly, I was more comfortable as a passenger in a low spec dual cab Triton for a 90 minute drive than the 10 minute drive down to HomePro in a Hilux. Those are the only reasons why I haven't given Toyota a closer thought. 
 

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3 hours ago, Farma said:

I've had a mix of work pick ups with the last couple being an Izuzu and a Toyota. Prior to that was a ford. All diesel and all made in Thailand.

 

The Izuzu had problems with the centre dash unclipping all the time, then the aircon freezing up if used for too long. It finally died a couple of months ago with a gearbox problem. Others in the fleet suffered accessories electrical problems

 

The Toyota Hilux I was given after that for the past few months has been my favorite out of all the pickups. Even with just under 200k kms it still drove and rode like new. A negative was bumpers starting to rust through the chrome.

 

The past 1,200 kms I've been driving a brand new L200/Triton. I'm not happy with it at all. My major gripe is the amount of noise the engine makes. Its like driving a tractor. None of the other pickups were that loud even when old. Another annoyance is the height of the tailgate making it hard to judge distance when reversing. Apart from that the engine has plenty of power. 

If engine noise is the only real concern then shouldn't be too much dramas. I was in a new one for a 90 minute drive and didn't even notice the engine with everyone talking. Reversing issue wasn't negated with the use of the camera?

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As mentioned they are work vehicles and most likely the same low spec as you drove for 90 minutes. Reversing camera wasn't included. When spending 4 or more hours in one each day little things become noticeable. The noise was one.

 

Little niggles like the storage position for a water bottle interfering with window control on the Izuzu. Seat fabric wearing out on the ford and Izuzu but not on the toyota. Storage for small items lacking in the Mitsu etc.

 

Each of the pickups have their flaws. Comfort and general all round ease of driving make Toyota a cut above the rest for me. 

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2 minutes ago, Farma said:

As mentioned they are work vehicles and most likely the same low spec as you drove for 90 minutes. Reversing camera wasn't included. When spending 4 or more hours in one each day little things become noticeable. The noise was one.

 

Little niggles like the storage position for a water bottle interfering with window control on the Izuzu. Seat fabric wearing out on the ford and Izuzu but not on the toyota. Storage for small items lacking in the Mitsu etc.

 

Each of the pickups have their flaws. Comfort and general all round ease of driving make Toyota a cut above the rest for me. 

That's fair enough. Unless having to travel, it is just doing day to day driving and a bit of farm driving so wouldn't be in it enough for the little things to worry me too much. Main focus is purely safety and space, but I can fully understand why many like the Toyota. Unfortunately, just doesn't fit my body or safety standards. Maybe when I retire and have shrunk a bit haha

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